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Posted by Lou Pilder on May 19, 2005, at 19:16:44
Dr. Hsiung,
Could you clarify if there is a difference between the use of the word, "violate", inthe following post, and the use by me that you asked me to in some way rephrase?
Lou Pilder
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20050323/msgs/479143.html
Posted by Dr. Bob on May 20, 2005, at 10:51:57
In reply to Lou's request to Dr. Hsiung-, posted by Lou Pilder on May 19, 2005, at 19:16:44
> the use by me that you asked me to in some way rephrase
Sorry, could you give me a link to that? Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 29, 2005, at 6:11:43
Dr. Hsiung,
I have not been able to find the post of mine that you wrote to me about my use of the word, "violate". I also can not find the thread involving it. I remember that I asked you what any difference was in another poster's use of the same word and I remember that you replied to me something like that the other poster's use of the word was {hypothetical?}. I also remember that I then asked you what you could mean by your use of the question mark.
I also can not find those posts. Could you clarify if any of the following apply to this situation?
A. I have found my post to you about your use of the word,"violate" and I will post the link to it.
B. I deleted all the posts related to that discussion between us and will not put them back on the board.
C. I deleted all those posts and will place them back on the board.
D. None of the above
E. A combination of the above
F. Something else
Lou Pilder
Posted by Dr. Bob on May 29, 2005, at 14:45:29
In reply to Lou's request to Dr Hsiung, posted by Lou Pilder on May 29, 2005, at 6:11:43
> I have not been able to find the post of mine that you wrote to me about my use of the word, "violate".
Well, let me know if you do, I haven't deleted it. Although very occasionally posts have been mangled because of software problems, so there's a remote possibility it could be gone for another reason...
Bob
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 29, 2005, at 21:30:47
In reply to Re: Lou's request, posted by Dr. Bob on May 29, 2005, at 14:45:29
DR. Hsiung,
You wrote,[...a remote possibility...].
Is there a back-up in your system?
Lou PIlder
Posted by Dr. Bob on May 31, 2005, at 3:16:39
In reply to Lou's reply to Dr Hsiung » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on May 29, 2005, at 21:30:47
> Is there a back-up in your system?
There is, but it doesn't catch everything, but I think it's been a long time since there have been problems like that...
Bob
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 31, 2005, at 4:31:37
In reply to Re: Lou's reply, posted by Dr. Bob on May 31, 2005, at 3:16:39
> > Is there a back-up in your system?
>
> There is, but it doesn't catch everything, but I think it's been a long time since there have been problems like that...
>
> Bob
DR Hsiung,
You wrote,[...there is, but it doesn't catch evrything...]. Are you saying that you have checked the back-up system and could not find the posts in question?
Lou PIlder
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 31, 2005, at 16:19:41
In reply to Re: Lou's reply, posted by Dr. Bob on May 31, 2005, at 3:16:39
Dinah,
I was wondering if you have seen this thread and if so, could you offer any infomation concerning the posts that I can not find?
Lou
Posted by Dr. Bob on May 31, 2005, at 17:34:42
In reply to Lou's reply to Dr. Hsiungs reply to Lou » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on May 31, 2005, at 4:31:37
> > > > very occasionally posts have been mangled because of software problems
> > >
> > > Is there a back-up in your system?
> >
> > There is, but it doesn't catch everything
>
> Are you saying that you have checked the back-up system and could not find the posts in question?No, but when I checked for those mangled posts a long time ago, they weren't there...
Bob
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 31, 2005, at 20:20:31
In reply to Re: Lou's reply, posted by Dr. Bob on May 31, 2005, at 17:34:42
Dr. Hsiung,
You wrote,[..No, but when I checked for those mangled posts a long time ago... weren't there...].
Could you clarify if you mean any of the following?
A. The mangled posts are different posts than the posts that you are referring to
B. The mangled posts are the same as the ones that you are looking for
C. There is no sense in serching for your posts because other posts a long time ago disappeared and I couldn't find them so thearfore I will not be able to find your posts in question.
D. Posts become known as mangled posts when I can't find them, even if they are recent.
E. Your posts in question may be able to be found in the backup.
F. A long time ago, could not mean a few months
G None of the above
H. A combination of the above
K. All of the above
L. Something else
Lou Pilder
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 31, 2005, at 20:34:16
In reply to Lou's reply to Dr Hsiung's second reply to Lou » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on May 31, 2005, at 20:20:31
Posted by gardenergirl on June 1, 2005, at 11:34:54
In reply to Lou's reply to Dr Hsiung's second reply to Lou » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on May 31, 2005, at 20:20:31
Hi Lou,
In reading this thread, I see no indication that Dr. Bob is looking for the posts you cannot find. My interpretation is that he is offering hypotheses about why you cannot find them.And FYI, I tried a Google search as well, and I could not find it. Do you remember the time frame of the post?
gg
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 1, 2005, at 14:55:53
In reply to Narrowing the choices, perhaps? » Lou Pilder, posted by gardenergirl on June 1, 2005, at 11:34:54
gg.
You wrote,[...do you remember the time frame...?]
The time frame was I think about 4 months ago or so for when Dr. Hsiung wrote to me about my use of the word, "violate" and I rewrote that statement that contained the word. Then I initiated another thread, I think, about a few days later with a request to Dr. Hsiung to clarify the difference, if any, as to another poster using the same word.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 1, 2005, at 15:54:23
In reply to Narrowing the choices, perhaps? » Lou Pilder, posted by gardenergirl on June 1, 2005, at 11:34:54
gg,
You wrote,[...I see no indication that Dr. Bob is looking for the posts that you cannot find...].
In your opinion, would the sysop of a mental-health community have an implied duty to find the missing posts that a member of the community requests for him to find by checking the backup system?
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 1, 2005, at 16:06:35
In reply to Narrowing the choices, perhaps? » Lou Pilder, posted by gardenergirl on June 1, 2005, at 11:34:54
gg,
You wrote,[....no indication that Dr Bob is looking for the posts...he is offering...why you can't find them...]
I am limited to a search, for the backup is not available to me, for it is my understanding that the owner, the sysop, has access to the backup, not the members of the community.
So are you saying that since I do not have access to the backup, that I can not find the posts in question, but Dr. Hsiung could access the backup and possibly find them, but he is not attempting to do so?
Lou
Posted by gardenergirl on June 1, 2005, at 22:03:34
In reply to Lou's reply to gardenergirl-~prvtobkup » gardenergirl, posted by Lou Pilder on June 1, 2005, at 16:06:35
Hi Lou,
I am just saying than in reading what has been posted in this thread, I do not see where Dr. Bob overtly stated he was looking for the posts.I have no idea what the duties of a sysop are, so I'm afraid that I can't answer your question in your prior post.
I'm sorry you have not had luck in finding your posts.
gg
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 1, 2005, at 22:25:05
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to gardenergirl-~prvtobkup » Lou Pilder, posted by gardenergirl on June 1, 2005, at 22:03:34
gg,
You wrote,[...I do not see where Dr Bob...stated he was looking for the posts...].
There could be other methods to find the posts, but could need a computer expert to do so for I asked one and he said that if it was posted, even though it is not available here now, it could be found. But I would rather not pay to have these posts brought back here, so if anyone here is an expert, could you help?
Lou
Posted by gardenergirl on June 1, 2005, at 22:42:50
In reply to Lou's reply to gardenergirl- » gardenergirl, posted by Lou Pilder on June 1, 2005, at 22:25:05
well I'm no certainly no computer expert! :)
Good luck. I hope you find it.
gg
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 2, 2005, at 7:35:34
In reply to Lou's reply to gardenergirl-~prvtobkup » gardenergirl, posted by Lou Pilder on June 1, 2005, at 16:06:35
> Dr. Hsiung could access the backup and possibly find them, but he is not attempting to do so?
Right, I could possibly find them, but I'm not attempting to do so, sorry.
Bob
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 2, 2005, at 8:03:23
In reply to Re: Lou's reply, posted by Dr. Bob on June 2, 2005, at 7:35:34
Dr. Hsiung,
You wrote,[...I could...but I am not attempting to do so...].
Could you offer a reason as to why you are not attempting to do so?
Lou Pilder
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 2, 2005, at 20:35:51
In reply to Re: Lou's reply, posted by Dr. Bob on June 2, 2005, at 7:35:34
> > Dr. Hsiung could access the backup and possibly find them, but he is not attempting to do so?
>
> Right, I could possibly find them, but I'm not attempting to do so, sorry.
>
> Bob
Dr. Hsiung,
Do you consider your not attempting to find them a sound mental-health practice? I have requested that you check your backup for the missing posts and I know of no other way to find them without paying an expert and you agree that they could possibly be found by you checking your back up.
Also, do you consider it supportive by you not attempting? And is not the goal of the forum to be for support? Have you not written that you give a higher priority to support than freedom of speech? Also, is it civil for the sysop that has the means to accommodate a members request to write,[...I'm not attempting to do so, sorry...] without even stateing that you would later?
You wrote to me to rephrase a statement because I used the word,"violate". If your post to me was not missing, I could have the opportunity to ask you what the difference could be that others used that word without you writng to them to rephrase the statement without the word.
Are there two different standards here? If those threads that are missing were brought back, then I could have the opportunity to defend my use of the word as being as to the accepted standard of the past practice here.
You write that there is a "remote" chance that something in the software could have caused two threads with dialog between us to vanish from the record. But does that then mean that there is a greater chance that the threads were deliberatly deleted by someone other than you since you write that you did not delete them? And if so, who could have access to the server to do so? And if so, why ?
Then why not bring those threads back if they can be, and have it out in the open?
I have had emails that write that it is remembered that these threads did exist but can not be found and I would like to set the record straight. Did you not write, "for the record" in one of our other dialogs? You wanted it in the record and so do I.
Lou Pilder
Posted by gardenergirl on June 3, 2005, at 0:44:08
In reply to Lou's reply to Dr. Hsiung's 4th reply to Lou-B » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on June 2, 2005, at 20:35:51
I know I asked you that before, but I don't remember you answering. I believe this is the beginning of the thread in question.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20050128/msgs/453884.html
I'll put the bill in the mail. ;)
gg
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 3, 2005, at 5:42:10
In reply to Did you thoroughly check the archives, Lou? » Lou Pilder, posted by gardenergirl on June 3, 2005, at 0:44:08
gg,
You wrote,[...is the ...thread...]
Are you saying that in the thread of the link that you offered that there is a post that:
A. Dr Hsiung writing to me to rephrase the statement that I used the word,"violate"?
B. I ask Dr. Hsiung what the difference is, if any, of my using the word and as it it used by another poster here?
C. Dr Hsiung writing to me that the other poster's psot ,[...hypothetical?...]
D. A post by me that asks Dr. Hsiung to clarify his use of the question mark?
E. My choice offered to Dr. Hsiung that his use of the question mark could mean that he did not know the difference between the two posts?
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 3, 2005, at 5:51:48
In reply to Did you thoroughly check the archives, Lou? » Lou Pilder, posted by gardenergirl on June 3, 2005, at 0:44:08
gg,
There are the points in question in the thread. Thanks,
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 3, 2005, at 14:07:59
In reply to Re: Lou's reply, posted by Dr. Bob on June 2, 2005, at 7:35:34
> > Dr. Hsiung could access the backup and possibly find them, but he is not attempting to do so?
>
> Right, I could possibly find them, but I'm not attempting to do so, sorry.
>
> Bob
Dr Hsiung,
We have the posts in question cited in this thread.
My post in question states,[...could be deemed to violate the civility code here...]
You wrote something like for me to rewrite the statement without the word,"violate" in it.
I then requested that you look at a post from the past and you wrote as to the difference between the two,[...hypothetical?...] I asked if your use of the question mark meant that you did not know why they are different. I do not find a reply from you to me about that.
In the following post, the poster writes,[...seems like it should violate the rules...].
Could you offer some explanation as to why the former is unacceptable and the latter is acceptable?
Lou Pilder
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20031120/msgs/289655.html
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