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Posted by Dr. Bob on January 24, 2005, at 19:32:00
In reply to Re: Lou's request to Dr. Hsiung-B, posted by alexandra_k on January 24, 2005, at 0:42:48
> I am requesting that you write a determination in regards to if you accept statements like this to be acceptable here.
>
> Lou PilderI think it's acceptable.
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> I am sorry that I started the poll / petition, whatever now.
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> I didn't mean to make things worse.
> But I do think things have escalated rather.
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> alexandra_kThanks. I think that anything that's polarizing will tend to lead to escalation...
Bob
Posted by alexandra_k on January 24, 2005, at 19:45:33
In reply to Re: Lou's request, posted by Dr. Bob on January 24, 2005, at 19:32:00
>I think that anything that's polarizing will tend to lead to escalation...
Sorry. I never thought of polls that way.
And I suppose the intention of a petition is to persuade someone to change their mind.
I guess nobody managed to read your mind to be able to figure out your rationale on this one.
In a way it is none of our business. But it is good to know how and why you are likely to respond a certain way in the future when it really might be our business.
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 24, 2005, at 20:32:35
In reply to Re: Lou's request to Dr. Hsiung-B, posted by justyourlaugh on January 24, 2005, at 0:30:57
> i feel your constant "requests"
> are hurting others..
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> i can not help but "feel"..your posts are nothing but clutter....
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> this is getting old..Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Gabbix2 on January 24, 2005, at 21:03:34
In reply to Re: please be civil » justyourlaugh, posted by Dr. Bob on January 24, 2005, at 20:32:35
I am NOT requesting JYL get a block, I'm wondering why on God's green earth you blocked Angel Girl for calling Lou insensitive, and gave JYL only a P.B.C for this post. I'd like an answer please.
Angel Girl was in pain and she showed terrific restraint, and you added more pain and frustration by blocking her, and now, you cooly hand out a mild p.b.c to a different poster for a post of no less incivility than hers.
sick> > i can not help but "feel"..your posts are nothing but clutter....
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> > this is getting old..
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> Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
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> If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
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> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
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> Follow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
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> Thanks,
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> Bob
Posted by Fallen4MyT on January 24, 2005, at 21:29:11
In reply to What the DEUCE??? DR. BOB, posted by Gabbix2 on January 24, 2005, at 21:03:34
Gab some posters got please be sensitive to me when saying things to me that if *another* poster said them they would have gotten a PBC or a block. How many posters can say SOME of the things that were said to me and get zero to a sensitivity? Had the same thing been said to someone else say from a gated community they would have gotten a civil notice...NOT THAT I WANT A POSTER TO GET A PBC I DON'T ....I think like with Herman Munster there are different civil rules for different posters..or many Bob's who do not meet eye to eye on what civil is. Because the ONLY thing I see that is consistent in civil in here is who the poster is.....The inconsistency is consistent though :) Like Lab rats we never know. Well I could name some posters who can get away with things but I won't....it would not be civil
> I am NOT requesting JYL get a block, I'm wondering why on God's green earth you blocked Angel Girl for calling Lou insensitive, and gave JYL only a P.B.C for this post. I'd like an answer please.
> Angel Girl was in pain and she showed terrific restraint, and you added more pain and frustration by blocking her, and now, you cooly hand out a mild p.b.c to a different poster for a post of no less incivility than hers.
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> sick
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> > > i can not help but "feel"..your posts are nothing but clutter....
> > >
> > > this is getting old..
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> > Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
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> > If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
> >
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
> >
> > Follow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bob
>
>
Posted by Dinah on January 24, 2005, at 21:35:10
In reply to What the DEUCE??? DR. BOB, posted by Gabbix2 on January 24, 2005, at 21:03:34
Gabbi, you know the drill. Dr. Bob had just given Angel Girl a PBC on the same thread. You know after you've just gotten a PBC you have to be very very careful not to say anything that sounds anything remotely like what you got the PBC for. I'm not saying I agree with Dr. Bob's procedures. But that's a sure fire block. I think posters get caught sometimes more because they don't know how to correctly word something than because they're deliberately defying Dr. Bob. Sometimes it appears they're doing their very best to comply. But it's still a sure fire block.
I sort of wish Dr. Bob would take into account whether or not someone is trying to comply but doesn't fully understand the rules or if they're deliberately not complying.
In the past I've tried to hint, or outright warn, but that seems to cause even more trouble than saying nothing at all.
Posted by Fallen4MyT on January 24, 2005, at 21:37:55
In reply to Re: What the DEUCE??? DR. BOB » Gabbix2, posted by Dinah on January 24, 2005, at 21:35:10
Dinah than what the heck is a be sensitive a I do not want to give YOU a PBC ??? Makes no sense to me if it's not civil its a PBC or reword
> Gabbi, you know the drill. Dr. Bob had just given Angel Girl a PBC on the same thread. You know after you've just gotten a PBC you have to be very very careful not to say anything that sounds anything remotely like what you got the PBC for. I'm not saying I agree with Dr. Bob's procedures. But that's a sure fire block. I think posters get caught sometimes more because they don't know how to correctly word something than because they're deliberately defying Dr. Bob. Sometimes it appears they're doing their very best to comply. But it's still a sure fire block.
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> I sort of wish Dr. Bob would take into account whether or not someone is trying to comply but doesn't fully understand the rules or if they're deliberately not complying.
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> In the past I've tried to hint, or outright warn, but that seems to cause even more trouble than saying nothing at all.
Posted by Gabbix2 on January 24, 2005, at 21:39:52
In reply to Re: What the DEUCE??? DR. BOB » Gabbix2, posted by Dinah on January 24, 2005, at 21:35:10
Oh I hadn't seen the P.B.C on the same thread..
oops. Thanks Dinah
Posted by Dinah on January 24, 2005, at 21:44:09
In reply to Re: What the DEUCE??? DR. BOB » Dinah, posted by Fallen4MyT on January 24, 2005, at 21:37:55
Please Be Sensitive is a fairly new wording, that if I remember correctly, came about after Kali Munro was a guest on Admin. The archives from that time period probably give an explanation of Dr. Bob's understanding of the new admin action. But I would imagine that if Dr. Bob thought it was being deliberately ignored, he could still block.
He always has the option of trying to explain further what he's looking for, and sometimes he does. Perhaps that's more a matter of how much time he has than anything else?
If I'm understanding your question correctly? Which I'm not altogether sure I am.
Oh well. I almost always get in more trouble than I save when I try to explain what I'm seeing on Admin.
Posted by Fallen4MyT on January 24, 2005, at 21:52:31
In reply to Re: What the DEUCE??? DR. BOB » Fallen4MyT, posted by Dinah on January 24, 2005, at 21:44:09
Omg lol you mean he is like say assigning it a D value instead of an E Save me the time of looking it up please lol....so it is a lesser evil??? yes ...no...Way I see it it is. How many PBS till a block??? AND thanks as always youre a doll.
> Please Be Sensitive is a fairly new wording, that if I remember correctly, came about after Kali Munro was a guest on Admin. The archives from that time period probably give an explanation of Dr. Bob's understanding of the new admin action. But I would imagine that if Dr. Bob thought it was being deliberately ignored, he could still block.
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> He always has the option of trying to explain further what he's looking for, and sometimes he does. Perhaps that's more a matter of how much time he has than anything else?
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> If I'm understanding your question correctly? Which I'm not altogether sure I am.
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> Oh well. I almost always get in more trouble than I save when I try to explain what I'm seeing on Admin.
Posted by Dinah on January 24, 2005, at 21:57:32
In reply to Re: What the DEUCE??? DR. BOB » Dinah, posted by Fallen4MyT on January 24, 2005, at 21:52:31
Believe it or not, I don't quite recall. It means something *different* but it might be different but equal, or maybe there's more leeway. I'm not sure.
I'm reasonably sure you can get a block from any of Dr. Bob's admin actions if he thinks you're ignoring it.
Dr. Bob? Want to clarify?
Posted by Angel Girl on January 24, 2005, at 22:11:39
In reply to Re: What the DEUCE??? DR. BOB » Dinah, posted by Gabbix2 on January 24, 2005, at 21:39:52
> Oh I hadn't seen the P.B.C on the same thread..
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> oops. Thanks Dinah
Neither had I and I explained that to Dr. Bob in e-mail. We both had been in the thread at the same time. I had not refreshed my screen. I didn't even know I was blocked until I left the site and I tried to reply a babblemail, found out I couldn't and then came back to the site. It was ONLY then that I saw the post where Dr. Bob had blocked me and mentioned the prior PBC so I went looking for it. So, therefore, I saw no warning from Dr. Bob.AG
Posted by Fallen4MyT on January 24, 2005, at 22:20:43
In reply to Re: What the DEUCE??? DR. BOB » Fallen4MyT, posted by Dinah on January 24, 2005, at 21:57:32
I believe you but see my point? So what someone in favor can just get a PBS everytime and another would get a PBC??? I dunno but thank you Dinah :)
> Believe it or not, I don't quite recall. It means something *different* but it might be different but equal, or maybe there's more leeway. I'm not sure.
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> I'm reasonably sure you can get a block from any of Dr. Bob's admin actions if he thinks you're ignoring it.
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> Dr. Bob? Want to clarify?
Posted by Dinah on January 24, 2005, at 22:30:43
In reply to Re: What the DEUCE??? DR. BOB » Dinah, posted by Fallen4MyT on January 24, 2005, at 22:20:43
No, that's not what I was trying to say. It's a technical point about wording. I think both amount to a cease and desist order. And cease and desist orders issued by Dr. Bob and ignored are generally (in fact nearly always) followed by a block.
But Dr. Bob can possibly explain it better than I. I'm getting over my head, I think. Or not explaining well or something.
Posted by Gabbix2 on January 24, 2005, at 22:39:45
In reply to Re: What the DEUCE??? DR. BOB » Gabbix2, posted by Angel Girl on January 24, 2005, at 22:11:39
> > Oh I hadn't seen the P.B.C on the same thread..
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> > oops. Thanks Dinah
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> Neither had I and I explained that to Dr. Bob in e-mail. We both had been in the thread at the same time. I had not refreshed my screen. I didn't even know I was blocked until I left the site and I tried to reply a babblemail, found out.Oh, and I can imagine how the discussion went.
I've had one or two of those "trying to explain myself situations," and ended up in tears not of sadness but of the most intense, (not strong enough a word) frustration. After about 5 e-mails, with one line seperated from the request and responded to, cryptically at that, I simply gave up, I didn't think I could ever make my point. It was more frustrating than just sitting out the block. (Maybe that's the plan?)I'm just so sorry you had to deal with that.
I do know the frustration of being blocked and seeing someone else do the same thing and not get blocked, the time it happened to me, it just
felt terrible, it hits a very childlike spot in me. I was very dependent on Babble at the time too. Of course, depending on how my life is going, there are times I wouldn't be bothered a bit. The support I got on the admin board was what kept me from going off the deep end though, that's why I always have to say something if I see something I think is unfair even if I know it will never change Dr. Bob, and it may look silly to others, I know how important the support was to me.Dr. Bob I know you've heard comments on the way you respond before, so I don't think you'll be to distressed by what I said.
I have to say though that there was one time when Dr. Bob did very quickly and compassionately answer my please to have a few posts edited, they didn't include subject headings though.
Posted by Angel Girl on January 24, 2005, at 23:00:57
In reply to Re: What the DEUCE??? DR. BOB » Angel Girl, posted by Gabbix2 on January 24, 2005, at 22:39:45
Gabbix
Yes, frustration is a very good word for how it leaves you feeling when you try to explain things and don't get anywhere.
I very much appreciate that you and many others have shown me support and I would do the same thing. I hate when I feel somebody is being treated unfairly or when I see a post that I feel puts somebody else down even if they didn't say anything themselves. I've often left comments telling the poster that I felt they were being insensitive towards another, when I wasn't even involved in the discussion.
I'm sorry that you've been in the same situation as me. I HATE to see anybody hurt. I want to make it all better for them, take their hurt away and take it on myself so that they can feel better. It's a very hard thing for me to see somebody in any kind of emotional pain.
AG
Posted by Fallen4MyT on January 24, 2005, at 23:06:58
In reply to Re: What the DEUCE??? DR. BOB » Fallen4MyT, posted by Dinah on January 24, 2005, at 22:30:43
Dinah youre awesome and doing a great job of explaining it may be it cannot be understood by anyone :P
> No, that's not what I was trying to say. It's a technical point about wording. I think both amount to a cease and desist order. And cease and desist orders issued by Dr. Bob and ignored are generally (in fact nearly always) followed by a block.
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> But Dr. Bob can possibly explain it better than I. I'm getting over my head, I think. Or not explaining well or something.
Posted by Gabbix2 on January 24, 2005, at 23:13:42
In reply to Re: What the DEUCE??? » Gabbix2, posted by Angel Girl on January 24, 2005, at 23:00:57
> I'm sorry that you've been in the same situation as me. I HATE to see anybody hurt. I want to make it all better for them, take their hurt away and take it on myself so that they can feel better. It's a very hard thing for me to see somebody in any kind of emotional pain.
>
I know that about you Angel Girl! You may not believe it, but I do remember you from years ago, you *are* memorable. I especially remember when we were both fed up looking for therapists at the same time, which isn't easy in our neck of the woods, we commiserated with each other.(((AngelGirl)))
Posted by verne on January 24, 2005, at 23:28:28
In reply to What the DEUCE??? DR. BOB, posted by Gabbix2 on January 24, 2005, at 21:03:34
From one lab rat to another: I think Dr. Bob is doing a capable, even remarkable, job. Of course, I got the Stockholm Syndrome so I might be biased.
My only quibble might be with these lengthy banishments (164 weeks and such). How about a maximum punishment of say 3 months? Or would that skew the math in the experiment? Math never was my strong suit.
I don't think Dr. Bob ever tries to intentionally hurt or manipulate someone. He tries to be impartial and unbiased which may seem cold and aloof to some. I see integrity.
verne
Posted by Angel Girl on January 24, 2005, at 23:38:01
In reply to Re: What the DEUCE??? » Angel Girl, posted by Gabbix2 on January 24, 2005, at 23:13:42
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> > I'm sorry that you've been in the same situation as me. I HATE to see anybody hurt. I want to make it all better for them, take their hurt away and take it on myself so that they can feel better. It's a very hard thing for me to see somebody in any kind of emotional pain.
> >
> I know that about you Angel Girl! You may not believe it, but I do remember you from years ago, you *are* memorable. I especially remember when we were both fed up looking for therapists at the same time, which isn't easy in our neck of the woods, we commiserated with each other.
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> (((AngelGirl)))
>Aaaah, you are waaaaay too kind to me. I'm sure I don't deserve a fraction of what I receive but it makes me feel good and it's been a very long time since I've felt good. :)
(((((gabbix))))))) right back atcha
Posted by Gabbix2 on January 25, 2005, at 0:18:00
In reply to Dr. Bob is not the PuppetMaster » Gabbix2, posted by verne on January 24, 2005, at 23:28:28
> From one lab rat to another: I think Dr. Bob is doing a capable, even remarkable, job. Of course, I got the Stockholm Syndrome so I might be biased.
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> My only quibble might be with these lengthy banishments (164 weeks and such). How about a maximum punishment of say 3 months? Or would that skew the math in the experiment? Math never was my strong suit.That's a tricky one, I used to think that too, but then there are some people, (I mean probably only one or two In the years I've been here) who I think should have long blocks.
> I don't think Dr. Bob ever tries to intentionally hurt or manipulate someone. He tries to be impartial and unbiased which may seem cold and aloof to some. I see integrity.Well, that's cool. I am somewhere in the middle.
I used to think that people who thought he intentionally did things to hurt people were genuinely paranoid. Then if I watched babble long enough I'd start to think that maybe they were right, it certainly can look that way, and I'm not saying it isn't that way, but I don't know, and I can't believe that about someone when there is any question. When I back away and come back I'm somewhere in the middle I guess, because I don't know what goes on behind the scenes, and what people say to him in e-mails which may influence his actions.
As for his integrity, no I don't think he's cruel, I think his actions have been sometimes. I usually think he's a man who makes mistakes, like everyone, but the big exception is, he doesn't apologize and an apology goes a long way with me. He's been kind to me, he's been I think, unfair to me, but I couldn't possibly attempt to judge his integrity as a person from this vantage point.
Posted by Gabbix2 on January 25, 2005, at 1:40:01
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob is not the PuppetMaster » verne, posted by Gabbix2 on January 25, 2005, at 0:18:00
My first impression was that there was a smirk in that post, forgive me my earnest responses if I shouldn't have second guessed myself : ) It's so hard to intuit these things through type.
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 25, 2005, at 7:39:05
In reply to Re: What the DEUCE??? DR. BOB » Fallen4MyT, posted by Dinah on January 24, 2005, at 22:30:43
> It means something *different* but it might be different but equal
> It's a technical point about wording.
Sorry about any confusion. Dinah's right (as usual). I just use "sensitive" when referring to the general paragraph in the FAQ:
> Please respect the views of others even if you think they're wrong. Please be sensitive to their feelings even if yours are hurt. Different points of view are fine, and in fact encouraged, but your freedom of speech is limited here. It can be therapeutic to express yourself, but this isn't necessarily the place.
And "civil" when referring to the specific one:
> Please don't be sarcastic, joke about death or suicide, suggest that others harm (or discuss specific ways of harming) themselves or others, jump to conclusions about others, post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down, harass or pressure others, use language that could offend others, post information that identifies another poster without their permission or that you know to be false, exaggerate or overgeneralize -- etc. Even if you're quoting someone else.
Bob
Posted by Dinah on January 25, 2005, at 11:40:56
In reply to Re: sensitive vs. civil, posted by Dr. Bob on January 25, 2005, at 7:39:05
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> Dinah's right (as usual).
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> BobOoooh, Dr. Bob. If only you really believed that... ;)
Posted by Fallen4MyT on January 25, 2005, at 17:11:19
In reply to Re: sensitive vs. civil, posted by Dr. Bob on January 25, 2005, at 7:39:05
Thank you for the replies Dr Bob but I am still thinking..well I now KNOW that by your standard the person that got a PBS for their post to ME as well as Herman Munster who also got a PBS should have been PBC'ed due to the below part of your rules
::::others, post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down, harass or pressure others, use language that could offend others::::
> > It means something *different* but it might be different but equal
>
> > It's a technical point about wording.
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> Sorry about any confusion. Dinah's right (as usual). I just use "sensitive" when referring to the general paragraph in the FAQ:
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> > Please respect the views of others even if you think they're wrong. Please be sensitive to their feelings even if yours are hurt. Different points of view are fine, and in fact encouraged, but your freedom of speech is limited here. It can be therapeutic to express yourself, but this isn't necessarily the place.
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> And "civil" when referring to the specific one:
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> > Please don't be sarcastic, joke about death or suicide, suggest that others harm (or discuss specific ways of harming) themselves or others, jump to conclusions about others, post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down, harass or pressure others, use language that could offend others, post information that identifies another poster without their permission or that you know to be false, exaggerate or overgeneralize -- etc. Even if you're quoting someone else.
>
> Bob
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