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Posted by Lou Pilder on January 14, 2005, at 15:18:41
Dr. Hsiung,
I am requesting that you determine if the following is acceptable or not in relation to the past practice here.
I feel accused and put down when I read thefollowing.[...he is...insensitive...]
Lou Pilder
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041218/msgs/442150.html
Posted by Toph on January 14, 2005, at 18:16:01
In reply to Lou's request tothe administration-insen, posted by Lou Pilder on January 14, 2005, at 15:18:41
> Dr. Hsiung,
> I feel accused and put down when I read thefollowing.[...he is...insensitive...]
> Lou PilderLou, You have condensed and distorted AG's sentence about how she feels
>I feel he is being even more insensitive to me now than he was before.>
into a judgemental statement about you
>[...he is...insensitive...]>.
Did you intentionally change her words to sound like an accusation, or is your distortion a mere accident?Toph
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 14, 2005, at 18:29:15
In reply to Re: Lou's request-insen to AG » Lou Pilder, posted by Toph on January 14, 2005, at 18:16:01
Toph,
You wrote,[...you have condensed...].
Yes, I do condense things at times so thatcollatteral words do not distort what is there in the statement. Whatever is around the part that I am requesting a determination about, to me is not relavant to what is there that when I read it , I feel accused. I feel accused when I read the statement in question because regardless of the words around what I am requesting to be determioned, I still can see that, in this case, the statement has in it,[...he is...insenstive...]. The fact that the poster "feels" that I am "insensitive" ,to me is not relavant. Now if Dr. Hsiung makes the determination that if you write,'I feel" in front of something that it makes it acceptable here, then could someone post something like,[...I feel that so and so is a "idiot"? Also, the other parts only say that the poster is saying that I am being {more} insensitive {than he was before} . Is that not judgmental? Is that not accusing?
Lou
Posted by Toph on January 14, 2005, at 18:44:19
In reply to Lou's response to Toph-conden » Toph, posted by Lou Pilder on January 14, 2005, at 18:29:15
Lou, there is a fundamental difference between the adverb *insensitive* as AG used it, "she feels you are being insensitive", and the adjective *insensitive* that you used in your version, "...He...is...insensitive." Understanding that your feelings can be different than the intent of the other person, can you see that AG's statement and your condenced version clearly have different meanings?
Toph
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 14, 2005, at 19:27:36
In reply to Re: Lou's conden, posted by Toph on January 14, 2005, at 18:44:19
Toph,
You wrote, [...a difference...].
Let us look at the folowing?
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20040112/msgs/321370.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 14, 2005, at 19:37:22
In reply to Re: Lou's conden, posted by Toph on January 14, 2005, at 18:44:19
Toph,
Iam offering another post in the past practice here concerning our discussion.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20031126/msgs/284669.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 14, 2005, at 19:47:59
In reply to Lou's reply to Toph-paprac » Toph, posted by Lou Pilder on January 14, 2005, at 19:37:22
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20040112/msgs/321364.html
The above is a companion post to another here.
Lou
Posted by Toph on January 15, 2005, at 7:51:33
In reply to Re: Lou's conden, posted by Toph on January 14, 2005, at 18:44:19
Lou, I am not disputing that at times someone has accused you of being an insensitive person, god knows, you are exquisitely sensitive to many things. I was attempting to point out that in AG's case your shorthand distorted what she was saying about what you did. If I may be so bold as to represent what she said again, she felt(something you cannot dispute) that YOU WERE BEING INSENSITIVE about something, and you felt(something only you can confirm) that she was accusing you of BEING AN INSENSITIVE PERSON. I was hoping that you would acknowledge the difference between these two points of view, instead you obfuscated my proposition with various examples of other threads in which you felt wronged.
I am sorry that you feel the need to be on the defensive so much here, Lou. It must be exhausting.
Toph
Posted by TofuEmmy on January 15, 2005, at 9:20:50
In reply to Lou's response to Toph-conden » Toph, posted by Lou Pilder on January 14, 2005, at 18:29:15
Lou - ya know there is another way to abbreviate condense! ;-)
Good job not doing that!!! :-)
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 15, 2005, at 13:41:52
In reply to Re: Lou's conden Lou, posted by Toph on January 15, 2005, at 7:51:33
> YOU WERE BEING INSENSITIVE
> you obfuscated my proposition
>
> you feel the need to be on the defensive so much herePlease don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down. The last time you were blocked it was for 1 week, so this time it's for 3.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Dinah on January 17, 2005, at 20:30:25
In reply to Re: blocked for 3 weeks » Toph, posted by Dr. Bob on January 15, 2005, at 13:41:52
Hope to see you again when the three weeks are up.
Dinah
Posted by mair on January 17, 2005, at 21:36:24
In reply to Toph, posted by Dinah on January 17, 2005, at 20:30:25
This is the end of the thread.
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