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Posted by nikkit2 on January 14, 2005, at 8:01:41
In reply to Re: Ignore feature » Toph, posted by Atticus on January 13, 2005, at 20:41:10
Hi Atticus,
I just want to leap in and say that the Ignore feature really was not Dr Bobs idea.. If you follow the thread to its inception, it was ME that posted it.
So please, accuse me of these things, not Dr Bob.
Imagine, if this feature was live, you could put me on ignore and not have to watch me treat people like children *s*
*I* have been pushed to a suicide attempt by another poster here. Ofcourse, they didn't force me to do it, and it was my own reaction to that poster. But, imagine if I had simply been able to click an ignore button.. I wouldn't have had to see the posts, and I wouldn't have had to deal with the level of pain they caused me. And, I'd also like to point out that this was fairly recent, and since I have been alot more "stable".
Nikki
Posted by nikkit2 on January 14, 2005, at 8:05:04
In reply to Re: People may be ignoring you now soooooo » Fallen4MyT, posted by Atticus on January 13, 2005, at 20:52:42
"Technology is not always the answer"
Unfortunately we are dealing with a "technological" way of interaction here. Technology IS the answer for us to simply communicate. technology IS the answer for us here.
If technology isn't the answer for some, they can always go out in the world and find people to talk face to face with.
Nikki
Posted by nikkit2 on January 14, 2005, at 8:11:20
In reply to Re: People may be ignoring you now soooooo, posted by alexandra_k on January 14, 2005, at 2:43:17
How about this as a small example.
Poster A writes something whilst in distress. Poster B is offended by what Poster A has written, so B takes it to the Admin board. B's queries are not resolved, so takes it back tot eh admin, and again.. and again..
Surely, it would be best for A, whilst in deep distress, to simply NOT KNOW they are being talked about, and discussed.. To be able to come here for some much needed support, without having to see comments about them.
dunno, maybe this isn't something you would be hurt by, but many others are.
Nikki
Posted by Gabbix2 on January 14, 2005, at 9:57:16
In reply to This WASN'T DR BOB'S IDEA! » Atticus, posted by nikkit2 on January 14, 2005, at 8:01:41
I was confused by that too, I see it as another choice not a rule, so I didn't understand how it could be seen as infantilizing. I thought perhaps I'd missed something, but I guess I didn't. Thanks
Posted by Fallen4MyT on January 14, 2005, at 19:17:37
In reply to Re: People may be ignoring you now soooooo » Atticus, posted by nikkit2 on January 14, 2005, at 8:05:04
Great point by both you and Gabbix on this being technology :) . I see some of the posters are against the freedom to use the ignore button yet want freedom from rules in here. Makes no sense to me
> "Technology is not always the answer"
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> Unfortunately we are dealing with a "technological" way of interaction here. Technology IS the answer for us to simply communicate. technology IS the answer for us here.
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> If technology isn't the answer for some, they can always go out in the world and find people to talk face to face with.
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> Nikki
Posted by alexandra_k on January 14, 2005, at 19:19:16
In reply to Re: People may be ignoring you now soooooo » alexandra_k, posted by nikkit2 on January 14, 2005, at 8:11:20
Ok. I think I understand.
Posted by alexandra_k on January 15, 2005, at 19:26:48
In reply to Re: People may be ignoring you now soooooo » Atticus, posted by nikkit2 on January 14, 2005, at 8:05:04
Although...
I still don't like the idea much.
I guess that I figure that letting us do that is kind of 'protecting' us more than may be good for us in the long run.
That although some things can be really really hard that it is better to deal with it. Then feel stronger for having gotten through.
That people don't have to read posts just because they appear.
That people have been known to bypass admin for a while as well...
All that being said, I don't suppose it matters to me as much as it does to others. I just know that I will never use it. Maybe it is better to be able to choose...
Posted by Fallen4MyT on January 15, 2005, at 19:55:47
In reply to Re: People may be ignoring you now soooooo » nikkit2, posted by alexandra_k on January 15, 2005, at 19:26:48
or members of the Nazi party as I personally do not want to socialize with them.. I like choice and freedom. To me this saying you have to mix with all groups and people to grow and thrive is; to be civil not for me. At my age I know what kind of people I care to associate with by now..I would want the ability to ignore online as I do in real life, I do not go to skid row to be open to life nor hang in a prison or with gang members.
Posted by alexandra_k on January 15, 2005, at 20:21:29
In reply to Choice is good...I do not want the KKK in my house, posted by Fallen4MyT on January 15, 2005, at 19:55:47
Although this is not your house, it is a public forum...
Also there are civility rules to prevent any KKK members etc from causing you repeated offense...
I guess that it is ones personal choice who one associates with.
I just think that education and support should be freely offered to all...
But yes, I suppose it is your personal choice and allowing you to block people will make implementing that all the easier for you. You won't have to 'waste your time' seeing the names or subject headings of posters who you don't want to associate with and that you don't want to offer anything to.
But you already have the choice to ignore posters threads and so all you will gain is the ability to not even have to look at their names and subject headings.
It is your choice. But I am sorry that you feel that way.
Posted by Fallen4MyT on January 15, 2005, at 20:42:08
In reply to Re: Choice is good » Fallen4MyT, posted by alexandra_k on January 15, 2005, at 20:21:29
I know it is not my house but the principle still applies I am glad you see that later on in your post. Thank you for understanding why I like this freedon and how it would make it easier for me to have this..choice
> Although this is not your house, it is a public forum...
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> Also there are civility rules to prevent any KKK members etc from causing you repeated offense...
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> I guess that it is ones personal choice who one associates with.
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> I just think that education and support should be freely offered to all...
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> But yes, I suppose it is your personal choice and allowing you to block people will make implementing that all the easier for you. You won't have to 'waste your time' seeing the names or subject headings of posters who you don't want to associate with and that you don't want to offer anything to.
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> But you already have the choice to ignore posters threads and so all you will gain is the ability to not even have to look at their names and subject headings.
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> It is your choice. But I am sorry that you feel that way.
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Posted by Atticus on January 17, 2005, at 19:47:45
In reply to This WASN'T DR BOB'S IDEA! » Atticus, posted by nikkit2 on January 14, 2005, at 8:01:41
No, I'm well aware you began the thread. But once the idea was out there and potentially planted in Dr. Bob's head -- and he, not you, would be the person to institute it -- then he became the person to address. The second part of the post was more of an overview as to why I so often disagree with his implementation of ideas such as these. Ta. Atticus
Posted by Atticus on January 17, 2005, at 19:48:59
In reply to Re: People may be ignoring you now soooooo » Atticus, posted by nikkit2 on January 14, 2005, at 8:05:04
But what if I want to do both with as little interference as possible? Atticus
Posted by Atticus on January 17, 2005, at 19:52:11
In reply to Re: This WASN'T DR BOB'S IDEA! » nikkit2, posted by Gabbix2 on January 14, 2005, at 9:57:16
As I said to Nikki, I realize this was her suggestion, but now Bob is aware of it and in a position to implement it. So it's he whom it is more relevant to address. As for "infantilizing," I see it as the ongoing "childproofing" of these pages, where as adults decisions to communicate as adults are restricted more and more. Children have very little control over their environment. Atticus
Posted by Atticus on January 17, 2005, at 19:54:46
In reply to Re: People may be ignoring you now soooooo » nikkit2, posted by alexandra_k on January 15, 2005, at 19:26:48
Alex,
You just stated all my points perfectly. Spot on. Thanks. ;) Atticus
Posted by Gabbix2 on January 17, 2005, at 19:56:26
In reply to Re: This WASN'T DR BOB'S IDEA! » Gabbix2, posted by Atticus on January 17, 2005, at 19:52:11
Seeing we have the choice as to whether or not we want to use it, I see it as giving us more control, not less, that's the part I don't understand. And you know, I mean that sincerely about not understanding, it's not covert b*tchiness
Posted by Atticus on January 17, 2005, at 19:57:53
In reply to Re: Choice is good » Fallen4MyT, posted by alexandra_k on January 15, 2005, at 20:21:29
Again, Alex is stating my points more clearly, without the sometimes knee-jerk stereotypical Irish temper that may obscure them when I communicate (or attempt to). Atticus
Posted by Gabbix2 on January 17, 2005, at 20:10:45
In reply to Re: Choice is good » alexandra_k, posted by Atticus on January 17, 2005, at 19:57:53
> Again, Alex is stating my points more clearly, without the sometimes knee-jerk stereotypical Irish temper that may obscure them when I communicate (or attempt to). Atticus
Okay, I have to admit, being told that I shouldn't have this option for my personal use, that it would be better for me not to have it because I will learn from experiencing what I find intolerable, made me feel infantilized somewhat. I think those choices are for me to make.
Posted by Atticus on January 17, 2005, at 20:31:17
In reply to Re: This WASN'T DR BOB'S IDEA! » Atticus, posted by Gabbix2 on January 17, 2005, at 19:56:26
You know, Gabbi, you're right. This is probably more about my issues with authority and rules than anything else. I have to admit that, with the extreme rapid cycling aspect of my BP disorder, I think Dr. Bob is often just in the wrong place at the wrong time and gets strafed. Thanks for the food for thought. Atticus
Posted by Gabbix2 on January 17, 2005, at 20:58:51
In reply to Re: This WASN'T DR BOB'S IDEA! » Gabbix2, posted by Atticus on January 17, 2005, at 20:31:17
Thank *you* for not taking it personally. Although it never stops me : ) it is harder for me to state my disagreement with someone on the board I especially like. I like getting food for thought too, but you never can tell whether or not someone else will.
Posted by alexandra_k on January 17, 2005, at 21:04:17
In reply to Re: Choice is good, posted by Gabbix2 on January 17, 2005, at 20:10:45
> Okay, I have to admit, being told that I shouldn't have this option for my personal use, that it would be better for me not to have it because I will learn from experiencing what I find intolerable, made me feel infantilized somewhat. I think those choices are for me to make.
To be contrary I find it infantilizing were we to be given the choice not to face situations that we may find 'intolerable'. This is especially true in this case because it is not a strategy that one can use IRL. It is true that this is a virtual community and is different from a RL community in a number of ways in virtue of the technology employed but I guess it depends on whether our interaction here is supposed to help us back in RL or whether this is just a place to escape it for a while...
Ok so it can be described as infantalizing if we are granted this and if we are not granted this.Maybe agree to disagree again :-)
Posted by Gabbix2 on January 17, 2005, at 21:14:44
In reply to Re: Choice is good » Gabbix2, posted by alexandra_k on January 17, 2005, at 21:04:17
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> To be contrary I find it infantilizing were we to be given the choice not to face situations that we may find 'intolerable'. This is especially true in this case because it is not a strategy that one can use IRL.We already have that choice though, simply a No one can force me to read babble because it's good for me, there for no one should be able to force me to read *all* of babble because they think it's good for me. This is simply an easier way for me to implement my choice, and not much different than way of allowing me to take out sections of the newspaper that would upset me. It's up to me to decide how and why something is good for me.
Posted by Gabbix2 on January 17, 2005, at 21:33:54
In reply to Re: Choice is good » alexandra_k, posted by Gabbix2 on January 17, 2005, at 21:14:44
Yeah, I think agreeing to disagree is good.
I think this topic is getting to me more than others would because I make a concerted effort to learn from others especially those very different from me, it's something I practice in real life as well, it's an ingrained part of who I am. I don't grasp the presumed connection between this feature and not learning from other people at all, all it does is remind me of my parents saying "why don't you go play with the kids down the street, it'll be good for you"
Posted by alexandra_k on January 17, 2005, at 21:54:40
In reply to Re: Choice is good » alexandra_k, posted by Gabbix2 on January 17, 2005, at 21:14:44
> We already have that choice though, simply a No one can force me to read babble because it's good for me
Yes, we have that one.
>no one should be able to force me to read *all* of babble because they think it's good for me.
I agree again.
We have lots of choices :-)>This is simply an easier way for me to implement my choice, and not much different than way of allowing me to take out sections of the newspaper that would upset me.
I would say that 'taking out' or not reading sections of the newspaper would be comperable to not reading certain posts.
I would say that requesting your paper boy to remove them before he delivered your paper would be like asking Dr B to make it so that certain posters posts never appeared for you.
I am not opposed to the first, it is as you say:
>It's up to me to decide how and why something is good for me.
But with respect to the second... We will have to agree to disagree
Posted by Gabbix2 on January 17, 2005, at 22:04:42
In reply to Re: Choice is good » Gabbix2, posted by alexandra_k on January 17, 2005, at 21:54:40
>> >This is simply an easier way for me to implement my choice, and not much different than way of allowing me to take out sections of the newspaper that would upset me.
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> I would say that requesting your paper boy to remove them before he delivered your paper would be like asking Dr B to make it so that certain posters posts never appeared for you.It's funny that you should use that comparison, because I used to do homecare for a woman with severe P.T.S.D and one of my "jobs" was to go through the paper and take out sections of the paper that might send her into a panic. I didn't think anything of it really.
Posted by Fallen4MyT on January 17, 2005, at 22:10:30
In reply to Re: Choice is good » Gabbix2, posted by alexandra_k on January 17, 2005, at 21:54:40
>>I would say that requesting your paper boy to remove them before he delivered your paper would be like asking Dr B to make it so that certain posters posts never appeared for you.>>
No, it would making the choice to take those sections out or not with the hands we were given...Dr. Bob would not hit the ignore button we would choose or not choose to on our own . If people want to hit the ignore button on me that is perfectly ok with me.
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