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Posted by justyourlaugh on January 9, 2005, at 0:46:27
In reply to Re: Ignore feature » NikkiT2, posted by Larry Hoover on January 8, 2005, at 22:22:54
maybe if some posters are "grating" you should not read them...
do they not have their posting name on their posts?
j
Posted by NikkiT2 on January 9, 2005, at 3:35:41
In reply to Re: Ignore feature, posted by justyourlaugh on January 9, 2005, at 0:46:27
Its not a specific person or anything, and not even for me nessesarily.. I don't use the "ignore" feature at the other site I use.. I'm simply too nosey *lol*
It was just a thouht.. And we all know its sometimes *very* difficult to simply not look at someones posts..
But, like I said, its not aimed at anyone or anything like that, it was just a thought on how to maybe reduce some of the "grating" that does occur here.
Nikki
Posted by Dinah on January 9, 2005, at 4:57:25
In reply to Ignore feature, posted by NikkiT2 on January 8, 2005, at 14:23:43
I gotta admit that there are times when I see a poster's name, and possibly a subject header, and know that I'm probably not in a good frame of mind to open that post. Yet I do anyway. :) But I don't think I'd like the ignore function for all times. I often find that even with posters who I might choose to ignore at first thought, that as I read their posts and get to know who they are and their characteristic style, I often (even almost always) grow to be glad I read. And in the very rare cases that isn't true, I always hold out (slim, perhaps) hope.
I sure would like an "Ignore right now" function at times though. :)
Posted by NikkiT2 on January 9, 2005, at 8:46:30
In reply to Re: Ignore feature » NikkiT2, posted by Dinah on January 9, 2005, at 4:57:25
At the website I use, its not a permanent decision.. much like the babble mail thing, you can turn it on and off for posters.. so, simply as an example, I was going through a period where your posts grated on me (remember, just an example, you have never grated on me), I could choose an option where I could ignore all posts by you. If a few days later I was feeling stronger, I could then choose to take you off ignore.
The few times I have used it at the other place, its only been a temporary measure. Just when I was feeling particularly sensitive - and when I'm feeling sensitive, I'm not the most rational of people, and so had problems staying away from that persons posts - and I always regret my words the next morning..
But its a completely user led thing.. no one *has* to use it, but the choice is there for those that feel the need to do so.
Am I making any more sense?!
Nikki x
Posted by Dinah on January 9, 2005, at 12:12:17
In reply to Re: Ignore feature » Dinah, posted by NikkiT2 on January 9, 2005, at 8:46:30
Ah, now that makes good sense, and would probably be wise from time to time.
That being said, I probably *still* wouldn't do it. :) It annoys the living heck out of me not to know what's going on.
Posted by Fallen4MyT on January 10, 2005, at 0:30:54
In reply to Re: Ignore feature » Dinah, posted by NikkiT2 on January 9, 2005, at 8:46:30
AOL has those too Nikki and I like that I do not use it on AOL but would here for a couple of posters I now JUST ignore on my own but it would cut my scrolling time down to have it..As you said one can choose to use or not to use it.
> At the website I use, its not a permanent decision.. much like the babble mail thing, you can turn it on and off for posters.. so, simply as an example, I was going through a period where your posts grated on me (remember, just an example, you have never grated on me), I could choose an option where I could ignore all posts by you. If a few days later I was feeling stronger, I could then choose to take you off ignore.
>
> The few times I have used it at the other place, its only been a temporary measure. Just when I was feeling particularly sensitive - and when I'm feeling sensitive, I'm not the most rational of people, and so had problems staying away from that persons posts - and I always regret my words the next morning..
>
> But its a completely user led thing.. no one *has* to use it, but the choice is there for those that feel the need to do so.
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> Am I making any more sense?!
>
> Nikki x
Posted by alexandra_k on January 10, 2005, at 12:50:29
In reply to Re: Ignore feature, posted by Fallen4MyT on January 10, 2005, at 0:30:54
I would feel really horrible if I thought someone used that on me. Or even if they wanted to use that on me. Like they would prefer it if I had never existed or come here.
I don't read the posts of a couple of people but their names are there as a reminder to me that I haven't learned how to be supportive or helpful to those individuals yet.
I read their posts sometimes.
I don't know. I just don't like the idea very much.
Posted by Fallen4MyT on January 10, 2005, at 17:32:10
In reply to Re: Ignore feature, posted by alexandra_k on January 10, 2005, at 12:50:29
Not reading post and seeing their names and scrolling and or blocking them with the ignore feature are close to one and the same...One can unblock of one later wants to be supportive of them. I think it is nice to have the OPTION and one would never know they are being ignored. I personally do not care if half of Babble ignores me I see that more as their right to take care of themselves however they see fit and maybe not reading my stuff or even seeing my name would be helpful to them so it is cool with me. That is just my personal opinion.
> I would feel really horrible if I thought someone used that on me. Or even if they wanted to use that on me. Like they would prefer it if I had never existed or come here.
>
> I don't read the posts of a couple of people but their names are there as a reminder to me that I haven't learned how to be supportive or helpful to those individuals yet.
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> I read their posts sometimes.
>
> I don't know. I just don't like the idea very much.
Posted by alexandra_k on January 10, 2005, at 18:30:42
In reply to Re: Ignore feature » alexandra_k, posted by Fallen4MyT on January 10, 2005, at 17:32:10
> Not reading post and seeing their names and scrolling and or blocking them with the ignore feature are close to one and the same...
But they don't have to be.
Posted by Fallen4MyT on January 10, 2005, at 19:08:55
In reply to Re: Ignore feature » Fallen4MyT, posted by alexandra_k on January 10, 2005, at 18:30:42
We can choose; choice is a nice thing to have. :)
> > Not reading post and seeing their names and scrolling and or blocking them with the ignore feature are close to one and the same...
>
> But they don't have to be.
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 10, 2005, at 23:18:25
In reply to Re: Ignore feature » Dinah, posted by NikkiT2 on January 9, 2005, at 8:46:30
> If only there were an ignore button IRL that made people disappear or at least mute.
>
> gg> I have a feeling the answer might be something like: 'technology is not always the answer'.
>
> alexandra_k> At the website I use, its not a permanent decision
>
> NikkiI agree with alexandra. :-)
And I think gg put her finger on why: it's not a coping mechanism that's applicable IRL.
OTOH, something temporary could be a compromise... What if it couldn't be permanent? And only a limited number of posters could be ignored? And posts by them didn't just disappear, but were xxxed out?
Bob
Posted by Fallen4MyT on January 10, 2005, at 23:45:23
In reply to Re: Ignore feature, posted by Dr. Bob on January 10, 2005, at 23:18:25
Dr Bob all below would be fine with me....Where I post you check and uncheck the box to ignore so say poster 1 is ignored by me for say repeated threads on the same subject till I no longer want to read the same ole thing and find its saping my energy..I can hit ignore said poster but maybe a year later I feel I can deal with it again I can uncheck it and read poster 1's threads again ...now if poster 2 posts to poster 1 and quotes him or her...then I can see it but its saves time. Also you can rid of people who post subjects you find PERSONALLY offensive but others do not then you have the option of just never reading anything THEY post again and it saves a lot of time skipping over serial posters. Like say poster number 1 posts at least a new thread a day usually on the same basic subject and you find you no longer wish to see or read it...you do not have to scroll past ALL the past and present posts they start. I can live without ignore but it would be cool IMO
> OTOH, something temporary could be a compromise... What if it couldn't be permanent? And only a limited number of posters could be ignored? And posts by them didn't just disappear, but were xxxed out?
>
> Bob
Posted by nikkit2 on January 11, 2005, at 4:45:54
In reply to Re: Ignore feature, posted by Dr. Bob on January 10, 2005, at 23:18:25
I didn't meant o suggest it to be a permanent feature.. more a turn off and onnable feature..
Like I explained to Dinah.. If something she were discussing was triggering to me, or upsetting, or grating, I could put her on ignore, and then a couple of days later when I am stronger, I can take her off ignore.
I just think that it would have the possibility of reducing some of the tension here. It is obvious, to me, that some posters are more affected by certain other posters than in general.. And, ofcourse, what you dont know, can't hurt you.. so if poster A gets upset alot of the time by what poster B says, poster A can put B on ignore, and then not get upset and post about the upset,a nd then cause even further upset to posters C, D and E..
OK.. I think I've veen lost myself now!!
Nikki xx
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 11, 2005, at 19:59:07
In reply to Re: Ignore feature » Dr. Bob, posted by Fallen4MyT on January 10, 2005, at 23:45:23
> something temporary could be a compromise...
> I can hit ignore said poster but maybe a year later I feel I can deal with it again I can uncheck it
> I could put her on ignore, and then a couple of days later when I am stronger, I can take her off ignore.
Hmm, a year? A couple days?
What if it expired automatically after a week? Like a basic block?
Bob
Posted by Atticus on January 11, 2005, at 22:27:15
In reply to Re: Ignore feature, posted by Dr. Bob on January 11, 2005, at 19:59:07
I have to agree with Alexandra's statement that a lot of people would feel hurt and/or put down if they suspected that others were xxxxing out their posts, even temporarily. Would the poster who is being xxxxed for a week or however long be made aware of the fact? That would truly be cruel. On the other hand, having observed the dynamics of PB and the sensitivity of many of the posters, would the suspicion, founded or unfounded, that other people were zapping their posts lead to upset as well. To my way of thinking, this idea just doesn't pass the smell test. I imagine a lot of very sensitive posters treading with fear here, believing that people don't like them and are xxxxxing their posts. Self-loathing is a major feature of depression as it is. Are you risking adding an ingredient to the pot that could trigger this further? I'd also like to add that every time a new gizmo is added or rule devised, it seems to me to be designed to further curtail freedom of expression -- whether it's that stupid f*cking auto-asterisking system or something else. I've written on Social how I'm coming to terms with the fact that a whole lot of people who didn't know I was bipolar do now. I've written how I feared being stigmatized if my "secret" came out. But by not allowing us to express ourselves as adults on Psycho-Babble, aren't you engaging a kind of stimatizaton yourself? You're treating us -- people with mental illness -- like children by increasingly limiting our forms of expression. It's as if you believe the mentally ill don't possess the werewithal to communicate like the adults we are. Your rules just continue to make me feel more and more infantile in your eyes. And for that, all I can say is, shame on you, Bob. Atticus
Posted by Fallen4MyT on January 12, 2005, at 0:15:25
In reply to Re: Ignore feature, posted by Dr. Bob on January 11, 2005, at 19:59:07
That would be OK Doc Bob I might check that box again but it would be nice :)
> > something temporary could be a compromise...
>
> > I can hit ignore said poster but maybe a year later I feel I can deal with it again I can uncheck it
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> > I could put her on ignore, and then a couple of days later when I am stronger, I can take her off ignore.
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> Hmm, a year? A couple days?
>
> What if it expired automatically after a week? Like a basic block?
>
> Bob
Posted by Toph on January 13, 2005, at 7:26:25
In reply to Re: Ignore feature » Dr. Bob, posted by Atticus on January 11, 2005, at 22:27:15
Atticus,
I appreciate your defense of freedom of expression, especially when it involves censorship by an administrator of communication between two adults here in language of their choosing. But isn't an individual's choice to ignore another person they find offensive or simply annoying a kind of freedom as well? I like the fact that I have the right not to vote (though I do), that I am not compelled to attend pitches by time share salesman, and that my remote can select an alternative to "Extreme Makeover."Toph
Posted by Fallen4MyT on January 13, 2005, at 17:08:04
In reply to Re: Ignore feature » Atticus, posted by Toph on January 13, 2005, at 7:26:25
Awesomely put...to me I do not read the poerty area much but have the right to do so..its a choice and I hope people can post there so why would someone want ME not to have the right to ignore. I do not have people in my house I do not like...why would I want to deal with that elsewhere
> Atticus,
> I appreciate your defense of freedom of expression, especially when it involves censorship by an administrator of communication between two adults here in language of their choosing. But isn't an individual's choice to ignore another person they find offensive or simply annoying a kind of freedom as well? I like the fact that I have the right not to vote (though I do), that I am not compelled to attend pitches by time share salesman, and that my remote can select an alternative to "Extreme Makeover."
>
> Toph
Posted by Fallen4MyT on January 13, 2005, at 17:20:52
In reply to Re: Ignore feature » Dr. Bob, posted by Atticus on January 11, 2005, at 22:27:15
Why not allow them to have the FREEDOM to hit a button and do it without all the scrolling involved now....PEOPLE DO ignore a lot of what you post people do you really care? With the ignore buttom nobody knows just like when we pass over them NOW that they are being ignored.
I am secure enough in myself that if someone ..many ...who do not like my lifestyle hit the ole ignore button on me it would be OK I do not wish to trigger, bother, annoy or whatever these people ....so why should they HAVE to scroll past my name? just to lol ignore me anyways.
Posted by Atticus on January 13, 2005, at 20:41:10
In reply to Re: Ignore feature » Atticus, posted by Toph on January 13, 2005, at 7:26:25
It's only the censorship to a certain extent, Toph. It's the sense of being treated like a child by Dr. Bob even though I didn't ask for it; that really rankles me too, Toph. I remember feeling that same way in the psych lock-up ward; the feeling I was some kind of toddler in their eyes who was likely to run with scissors. I understand that in the case of the hospital, I'd just opened my wrist in a suicide attempt and was under watch, so the "parental" vigilance I experienced and restrictions I encountered made a lot more sense. But I'd sure like to see Bob slow down on his restrictions here and give them more thought. And I'd really like to go to Admin someday and read about him loosening some of his plethora of rules because he thought we had it in us to handle it. Atticus
Posted by Atticus on January 13, 2005, at 20:52:42
In reply to People may be ignoring you now soooooo, posted by Fallen4MyT on January 13, 2005, at 17:20:52
First, please see my prior response to Toph. Second, it's not me being ignored that bothers me in the least. But it does bother me that other people will be ignored. Sometimes we learn the most from the voices and ideas of the people who are most different from us. I think encounters with diverse types of people is one of the most valuable aspects of this site. To tune out anyone who rubs you or me the wrong way seems to negate that positive aspect in many ways.
Third, in the words of the Buddha:
Technology is not always the answer. ;) Atticus
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 13, 2005, at 22:47:58
In reply to Re: Ignore feature » Toph, posted by Atticus on January 13, 2005, at 20:41:10
> I'd sure like to see Bob slow down on his restrictions here and give them more thought. And I'd really like to go to Admin someday and read about him loosening some of his plethora of rules because he thought we had it in us to handle it.
Please try not to take it personally. I think it has to do with the size of the group rather than the particular members.
This used to be like a small town, without many rules, and now it's like a big city, with more.
It's not that people in cities are like children...
Bob
Posted by Fallen4MyT on January 13, 2005, at 22:55:04
In reply to Re: People may be ignoring you now soooooo » Fallen4MyT, posted by Atticus on January 13, 2005, at 20:52:42
Atticus, realistically many ARE being ignored by others who choose to ignore them they just get skipped over, myself included by extra work by the ones who ignore them. It's "choice" and freedom that separates us from those on a psychward or prison. I have BEEN on a psychward just overnight but been there. On the issue of the choice to use a button to ignore or not is still a FREEDOM I would like. As you like to be able to choose to use certain words I choose to be able to ignore certain posts or posters in an easier fashion. One could not put *trigger* on posts and take the choice away from those readers too I mean we are all adults and should learn from others who differ correct? IMO yes but some wanted the word *trigger* and I use it..I could skip it and let them experience what its like to meet someone of another viewpoint for that diversity you speak of. An astrikt or an ignore button its the same issue boiled down to the freedom to choose to use or not and not having that choice made for you by someone else. To me the words, the usage of trigger and ignore all fall under the heading of censorship done for you..I would rather have the choice.
> First, please see my prior response to Toph. Second, it's not me being ignored that bothers me in the least. But it does bother me that other people will be ignored. Sometimes we learn the most from the voices and ideas of the people who are most different from us. I think encounters with diverse types of people is one of the most valuable aspects of this site. To tune out anyone who rubs you or me the wrong way seems to negate that positive aspect in many ways.
> Third, in the words of the Buddha:
> Technology is not always the answer. ;) Atticus
Posted by Gabbix2 on January 14, 2005, at 1:28:43
In reply to Re: People may be ignoring you now soooooo » Fallen4MyT, posted by Atticus on January 13, 2005, at 20:52:42
> Sometimes we learn the most from the voices and ideas of the people who are most different from us.
And sometimes we don't, sometimes people just reeeeeeeeeeeally bug us a lot.
You know, I would like more than anything to be able to say I could live up to your philosophy all the time. I do, most of the time, or at least it's a living goal of mine.
However, this is a mental health site, and there are times, when one is exhausted, overwrought,
withdrawing from medication.. on the wrong medication.. you know the drill, and what you need is comfort, or to ask a simple question.
Often there are people with their personal agendas, those who seem to post repeatedly the anti-medication philosophies, or the all you need is to think positively philosophies, or those who post on the therapy board only to consistantly mock people's experiences with therapy. Yes frequently they get blocked, but it always takes a while.
I'm not sure I learn much from those people, and on a good day sure I can tolerate them, and in a perfect world I could tolerate them all the time, but having an illness means you're always tolerating something, and at times on the board it would be really nice to have the relief of just being able to say..
"Okay, I 'don't have to deal with you today"
because in real life we don't have that option.
I think it's better than fuming, I think it's better than snarling back at them, and I think it's better than thinking you're the one who has to leave, because you can't tolerate someone else, and at times it does get that bad.
I think the people on this board are incredibly
(why do I always forget how to spell incredibley?) tolerant, and I doubt it would be anyone who is insecure about getting "ignored" who would actually be ignored, There do seem to be a type, who have come in various incarnations throughout the years who are very confident, who just don't seem concerned what people think, or they enjoy stirring things up, and they are the one's most likely to be put on the *ignore* list
in my experience anyway.
> Third, in the words of the Buddha:
> Technology is not always the answer.True, but we are already in the thick of it with Babble..
Posted by alexandra_k on January 14, 2005, at 2:43:17
In reply to Re: People may be ignoring you now soooooo » Atticus, posted by Gabbix2 on January 14, 2005, at 1:28:43
You don't have to read peoples posts.
You don't have to read the posts if you are having trouble with the poster.\
It isn't as bad as IRL when you can't help but hear their noise.
If the posts are xxxxx'd out then you still have to scroll past them.
I don't see how this helps.
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