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Posted by Dr. Bob on November 1, 2004, at 17:45:30
In reply to Question about research study - Dr. Bob, posted by All Done on November 1, 2004, at 16:13:45
> If someone is blocked from posting is there any other way to provide input (i.e. via e-mail)?
The short answer is no. That does potentially bias the results, however, so we'll have to acknowledge that limitation.
> Why is pregnancy an issue?
Good question, pregnant women are considered vulnerable.
Bob
Posted by Dinah on November 1, 2004, at 18:11:57
In reply to Re: Question about research study, posted by Dr. Bob on November 1, 2004, at 17:45:30
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> Good question, pregnant women are considered vulnerable.
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> BobSnort.
Did a guy invent this rule?
I was as emotionally healthy and invulnerable as I ever have been when pregnant. Postpartum would be another story.
Posted by gardenergirl on November 1, 2004, at 18:13:48
In reply to Re: Question about research study, posted by Dinah on November 1, 2004, at 18:11:57
LOL, great reply, Dinah. Not having ever been pregnant, I couldn't say the same, but I admit I thought that was a funny answer.
gg
Posted by Dinah on November 1, 2004, at 18:23:22
In reply to Re: Question about research study » Dinah, posted by gardenergirl on November 1, 2004, at 18:13:48
Yeah, it doesn't seem that far from the days when women weren't considered good president material because they might get PMS and bomb Russia.
People are vulnerable when they're vulnerable. There are lots of vulnerable people on Babble, and not because they're pregnant.
Pregnant women are vulnerable to teratogenic(sp?) substances, stories about difficult childbirths, and in my case broccoli. Anything else seems a bit sexist.
Posted by Poet on November 1, 2004, at 18:27:46
In reply to Question about research study - Dr. Bob, posted by All Done on November 1, 2004, at 16:13:45
I was the first person to contribute to the study. Ironically one of the many jobs I was turned down for was editorial assistant for a psychiatric journal. Not the one this study is for.
Poet
Posted by Noa on November 1, 2004, at 18:46:47
In reply to Re: Question about research study, posted by Dr. Bob on November 1, 2004, at 17:45:30
>> Why is pregnancy an issue?
>Good question, pregnant women are considered vulnerable.
>Bob
I had the same question as All Done and am still puzzled by the answer, unless there is some sort of blanket rule held by the publication or your university that all researchers must abide by regarding research with pregnant subjects? (Is it generally not allowed unless the researchers jump through cumbersome protocol hoops in order to prove beyond the faintest shadow of a doubt that the study won't hurt pregnant women??)
Otherwise, I have difficulty understanding how this kind of response to a solicitation for personal stories would be a bigger risk to pregnant women than to others.
Just REALLY curious on this...
Posted by gardenergirl on November 1, 2004, at 18:52:05
In reply to Re: Question about research study » gardenergirl, posted by Dinah on November 1, 2004, at 18:23:22
Posted by Noa on November 1, 2004, at 18:52:34
In reply to Re: Question about research study, posted by Dr. Bob on November 1, 2004, at 17:45:30
I am concerned that it won't necessarily be clear to someone who reads a message in the research thread (besides the original one), and then goes to post a response in the thread, that their post will become part of the study. Can you create an intermediate window that comes up when you try to add a post to the thread that informs/reminds people that this is research and requires them to click that they understand and consent?
Posted by fayeroe on November 1, 2004, at 20:21:35
In reply to Re: Question about research study, posted by Dr. Bob on November 1, 2004, at 17:45:30
Snort, three or four times.....I trained horses until I was 8 months pregnant and could no longer get on the horse!!! Vulnerable, my bee-hind!!!!
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 1, 2004, at 22:58:30
In reply to Re: Question about research study, posted by Dr. Bob on November 1, 2004, at 17:45:30
> > If someone is blocked from posting is there any other way to provide input (i.e. via e-mail)?
>
> The short answer is no. That does potentially bias the results, however, so we'll have to acknowledge that limitation.
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> > Why is pregnancy an issue?
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> Good question, pregnant women are considered vulnerable.
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> BobCould someone please link this topic back to the original post? I don't know what you're talking about. What research study?
Lar
Posted by All Done on November 1, 2004, at 23:51:15
In reply to Re: Question about research study » Dr. Bob, posted by Larry Hoover on November 1, 2004, at 22:58:30
> Could someone please link this topic back to the original post? I don't know what you're talking about. What research study?
>
> Lar
>Here you go.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041027/msgs/410198.html
Posted by All Done on November 1, 2004, at 23:52:06
In reply to Re: Question about research study, posted by All Done on November 1, 2004, at 23:51:15
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 2, 2004, at 7:50:09
In reply to Re: Question about research study, posted by All Done on November 1, 2004, at 23:51:15
> > Could someone please link this topic back to the original post? I don't know what you're talking about. What research study?
> >
> > Lar
> >
>
> Here you go.
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> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041027/msgs/410198.htmlAaacckkk! It was literally right above the thread I questioned! Thanks.
Lar
Posted by Dr. Bob on November 2, 2004, at 10:37:43
In reply to Comment on Research Study, posted by Poet on November 1, 2004, at 18:27:46
Posted by Dr. Bob on November 2, 2004, at 10:40:05
In reply to Avoiding mistaken contributions to research thread » Dr. Bob, posted by Noa on November 1, 2004, at 18:52:34
> Can you create an intermediate window that comes up when you try to add a post to the thread that informs/reminds people that this is research and requires them to click that they understand and consent?
That's already the way it works, people can't post to that thread unless they've consented.
Bob
Posted by Poet on November 2, 2004, at 17:44:19
In reply to Re: thanks for breaking the ice (nm) » Poet, posted by Dr. Bob on November 2, 2004, at 10:37:43
Posted by AuntieMel on November 3, 2004, at 16:23:30
In reply to Re: Question about research study » gardenergirl, posted by Dinah on November 1, 2004, at 18:23:22
I've gone through it three times, and the only time I reacted erratically was once when I tore my t-shirt. For some reason I burst out in tears and couldn't stop. I realized at the time that it was an odd reaction and laughed while i cried, unable to stop either one....
Posted by All Done on November 3, 2004, at 16:31:55
In reply to Re: Question about research study, posted by Dr. Bob on November 1, 2004, at 17:45:30
> > Why is pregnancy an issue?
>
> Good question, pregnant women are considered vulnerable.
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> BobDr. Bob,
Aren't there many other circumstances, physical and otherwise, that can make a person vulnerable?
Laurie
Posted by Dinah on November 3, 2004, at 17:15:12
In reply to Re: pregnancy » Dinah, posted by AuntieMel on November 3, 2004, at 16:23:30
Chuckle.
Depending on which pregnancy this was, and how old your children were, I'd bet on parenthood rather than pregnancy as the culprit. :))
But maybe I was lucky. I was great at pregnancy. But hoooeeeee, postpartum was heck.
Posted by JenStar on November 4, 2004, at 10:57:23
In reply to Help inform professionals about online groups, posted by Dr. Bob on November 1, 2004, at 15:51:52
Dr. Bob,
what about letting pregnant women participate? After the fact, it would be interesting to see if a "blind" reader (one who didn't know the procreative status of any responder) could discern who was & was not pregnant. Could also do a (very subjective) read-thru to see if pregnant women responded more positively, less positively, more ravingly (ha! I bet not!), or in more of a fragile manner.Are pregnant women generally banned from research studies such as this one, or is it something new that you decided to implement?
Thanks!
JenStar
Posted by pegasus on November 4, 2004, at 12:40:15
In reply to Re: Help inform professionals about online groups » Dr. Bob, posted by JenStar on November 4, 2004, at 9:30:11
Good questions. I was wondering also how they would ever know whether a participant was pregnant. I mean, I've posted here about being pregnant, so I would probably have a hard time posing as a non-pregnant woman for the sake of participating. But if someone else had kept it to herself, then no one would ever know.
pegasus
Posted by AuntieMel on November 5, 2004, at 13:39:39
In reply to Re: pregnancy » AuntieMel, posted by Dinah on November 3, 2004, at 17:15:12
I was good at it, too. Just pop them out like pez.
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 5, 2004, at 22:19:29
In reply to Re: pregnancy » Dinah, posted by AuntieMel on November 5, 2004, at 13:39:39
> I was good at it, too. Just pop them out like pez.
Oh, please tell me your head (or anything else) wasn't on a hinge.
Posted by Fi on November 6, 2004, at 9:50:36
In reply to Re: Help inform professionals about online groups, posted by pegasus on November 4, 2004, at 12:40:15
Trying to do a new thread for this one- dont want to go anywhere near PBA!
I'll carry on by just doing it as followup message again.
Fi
Posted by AuntieMel on November 7, 2004, at 15:01:48
In reply to Re: pregnancy » AuntieMel, posted by Larry Hoover on November 5, 2004, at 22:19:29
well something else was, but it would snap shut pretty quick, too.
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