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Posted by Lou Pilder on November 2, 2004, at 13:31:53
In reply to Lou's response to fayeroe-betr4it » fayeroe, posted by Lou Pilder on November 2, 2004, at 13:17:33
fayeroe,
You asked ,[...in what way...?].
When dterminations are made by the administration, more ability to know what is acceptable or not is given.
For instance, in our city there is a rule that pprohibits erecting a structure on your property.
A man put up a 40 foot flagpole with a flag of the USA. There was dispute as to what was acceptsble or not in relation to the guidlines of the community and town meetings were held about it. The question was if the flagpole was acceptable or not {in relation to the guidlines of the community}.
Lou
Posted by SLS on November 2, 2004, at 13:35:29
In reply to Lou's response -imun -fm -pros » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on November 2, 2004, at 12:30:48
> The requests by me to Dr. Hsiung are for the determination as to if the post , or part of it, {is acceptable or not in relation to the guidlines of the forum}.
Hi Lou.
What are some hypothetical examples of posts that would be unacceptable that would not be considered uncivil?
Thanks.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on November 2, 2004, at 13:40:25
In reply to Lou's response to fayeroe-iww, posted by Lou Pilder on November 2, 2004, at 13:31:53
Hi again.
Is it that you would prefer to define all of the possible violations in advance of them occurring?
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 2, 2004, at 13:50:38
In reply to Re: Lou's response to fayeroe-iww » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on November 2, 2004, at 13:40:25
Scott,
You wrote,[...define ...possible (unacceptable statements) in advance...]
In [my] administrative theory, rules are {well-defined} and {applied equally}. So if the rule in {my} administatrive theory is not well-defined, then if one breaks it according to the administraion,in my administrative theory, then I do not consider it to be uncivil.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 2, 2004, at 13:53:54
In reply to Lou's response to SLS » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on November 2, 2004, at 13:50:38
Scott,
Let us look at the flagpole situation. Let us be in the towne meeting. It is your turn to speak. What would you say?
Lou
Posted by fayeroe on November 2, 2004, at 13:54:57
In reply to Re: Lou's response -imun -fm -pros » Lou Pilder, posted by fayeroe on November 2, 2004, at 12:54:10
I have a question, Lou, so that I can better understand what you're doing. Do you feel that the majority of the posters on the boards feel that we need you to ask Bob for these determinations concerning what is acceptable and what is not? I, personally, read a post and evaluate it on my own. I'm comfortable with my abilities to read and sift and take what I need and discard the rest.
**Lou, I'm still curious about my question above. Do you feel like you have a mandate from other posters to do this? Because, as I've said before, it really does take up so much of your time and that concerns me.
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 2, 2004, at 14:07:42
In reply to Re: Lou's response -imun -fm -pros, posted by fayeroe on November 2, 2004, at 13:54:57
fayeroe,
You wrote,[...takes up your time...that concerns me...].
Could you clarify why you are concerned? If you could , then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
Lou
Posted by SLS on November 2, 2004, at 14:10:19
In reply to Lou's response to SLS » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on November 2, 2004, at 13:50:38
> Scott,
> You wrote,[...define ...possible (unacceptable statements) in advance...]
> In [my] administrative theory, rules are {well-defined} and {applied equally}. So if the rule in {my} administatrive theory is not well-defined, then if one breaks it according to the administraion,in my administrative theory, then I do not consider it to be uncivil.
> Lou
But the guidelines of civility have already been defined.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 2, 2004, at 14:17:31
In reply to Re: Lou's response to SLS, posted by SLS on November 2, 2004, at 14:10:19
SLS,
You wrote,[...the guidlines... have... been defined..].
Let us look at the guidline for [...writing ways of harming yourself or others...].
In that guidline, I requested a determination and it was determined as acceptable. Now we know that we can write that type of statement and not have the statement be deemed unacceptable.
Lou
Posted by fayeroe on November 2, 2004, at 14:23:07
In reply to Re: Lou's response -imun -fm -pros, posted by Lou Pilder on November 2, 2004, at 14:07:42
I'm very busy. I work 7 days a week and don't have the time, always, to research as much as I would like. My concern would be that you might lack time to do other things that you enjoy. I know that I find myself behind at times and I miss getting to do the "fun" things I like.
Posted by SLS on November 2, 2004, at 14:27:45
In reply to Re: Lou's response to SLS-flgpol, posted by Lou Pilder on November 2, 2004, at 13:53:54
> Let us look at the flagpole situation. Let us be in the towne meeting. It is your turn to speak. What would you say?
LouThe regulation (guidelines of civility) existed prior to the erection of the flagpole. Ignorant or not to the regulation, the erector behaved in a manner that might have represented a violation of that regulation. Whether or not there was a violation is the job of the magistrate (administrator) to determine. I don't think it is desirable to "flag" every "civil" behavior as a possible violation of every possible interpretation of every possible regulation. (Some humor was attempted in the previous sentence). It is cumbersome on the system. You may do that, of course, but it might be redundant here on Psycho-Babble as this function is already performed by the administrator.
Perhaps it would be desirable to wait 3 days before bringing to the attention of the moderator a questionable post. That would give him sufficient time to review it on his own, and avoid the redundancy and collection of unnecessary posts on the administration board. You could ask the doctor what would be a sufficient time as I don't know what his review cycle period is.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on November 2, 2004, at 14:31:21
In reply to Re: Lou's response to SLS » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on November 2, 2004, at 14:17:31
> SLS,
> You wrote,[...the guidlines... have... been defined..].
> Let us look at the guidline for [...writing ways of harming yourself or others...].
> In that guidline, I requested a determination and it was determined as acceptable. Now we know that we can write that type of statement and not have the statement be deemed unacceptable.
> Lou
I understand your logic. I disagree with its necessity.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 2, 2004, at 14:32:27
In reply to Re: Lou's response -imun -fm -pros, posted by fayeroe on November 2, 2004, at 14:23:07
fayeroe,
Thank you for being concerned about the time I spend on this forum. I will take your concern in consideration as to how much time I spend on this forum.
Thanks,
Lou
Posted by gardenergirl on November 2, 2004, at 14:36:45
In reply to Re: Lou's response -imun -fm -pros » fayeroe, posted by Lou Pilder on November 2, 2004, at 14:32:27
I'm enjoying this discussion. It's helping me understand more what has been going on.
gg
Posted by gardenergirl on November 2, 2004, at 14:38:54
In reply to Re: Lou's response -imun -fm -pros » fayeroe, posted by Lou Pilder on November 2, 2004, at 14:32:27
Hi Lou,
I was wondering how you anticipate Babblers might use the information gained from determinations. You stated that (paraphrasing) [now we know that kind of statement is acceptable]. I do read determinations and most of your requests. However, I know I don't remember them. I still go by the civility rules when deciding whether something I want to say is within the guidelines of the site.How do you use this information you gain?
gg
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 2, 2004, at 14:48:21
In reply to To add to the discussion: Question for Lou, posted by gardenergirl on November 2, 2004, at 14:38:54
gg,
You wrote,[...used infomation gained...].
Gained infomation about whatis acceptablie or not here could faccillitate better more suppotive discussions.
If a determination was that there {was} acceptability, then that could open doors that may have been thought to be previously locked. If the determiation was that it was not acceptable, then that could close doors that in this forum could be better left closed.
Lou
Posted by gardenergirl on November 2, 2004, at 14:53:41
In reply to Re: To add to the discussion: Question for Lou » gardenergirl, posted by Lou Pilder on November 2, 2004, at 14:48:21
Well, yes in theory. But I admit, I don't retain anything about the decisions, so in my case, that doesn't seem to apply. I wonder about other posters, too.
gg
Posted by fayeroe on November 2, 2004, at 15:13:55
In reply to Re: To add to the discussion: Question for Lou » Lou Pilder, posted by gardenergirl on November 2, 2004, at 14:53:41
My feelings exactly. I just go post by post. I rarely remember that someone got PBC or a "please rephrase" a day or two later.
Posted by fayeroe on November 2, 2004, at 15:16:08
In reply to Re: Lou's response -imun -fm -pros » fayeroe, posted by Lou Pilder on November 2, 2004, at 14:32:27
I'm thinking of myself, but there are spells when I spend too much time here or somewhere else on the internet. I start noticing that I've neglected doing something for myself or others. I have a granddaughter that lives nearby and I tear myself away and go play with her. I do think that the diagnosis of "internet addiction" is real. Pat
Posted by fayeroe on November 2, 2004, at 15:17:57
In reply to Re: Lou's response -imun -fm -pros » fayeroe, posted by Lou Pilder on November 2, 2004, at 14:32:27
I'll also add that I'm single and I think that I use the internet for "companionship" at times. Do you have a family, Lou?
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 2, 2004, at 15:28:21
In reply to Re: Lou's response -imun -fm -pros » Lou Pilder, posted by fayeroe on November 2, 2004, at 15:17:57
fayeroe,
I think that you have a good point about the time spent on anything, internet included. I know of many marriges started on the internet so I am not against innitiating companionship that way, although I think caution is to be the first thing.I have a friend that is a widower retirerd teacher and he remarried on a boat that was only for single people. Now the boat owners couldd have screened the participants in the cruise, but I do not know. I am married and have 3 children, but have been sunk previously.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 2, 2004, at 16:29:28
In reply to Re: To add to the discussion: Question for Lou » Lou Pilder, posted by gardenergirl on November 2, 2004, at 14:53:41
gg,
You wrote,[...I don't retain anything about the decisions...].
Perhaps after some time runs, these decisions could be incorperated into the FAQ. There, new members of the community could see more defined guidlines and members that have been here for some time that reread the FAQ could also.
Lou
Posted by fayeroe on November 2, 2004, at 16:33:51
In reply to Re: To add to the discussion: Question for Lou » gardenergirl, posted by Lou Pilder on November 2, 2004, at 16:29:28
That makes sense. Glad you've got family, Lou. It's almost holiday time! Families getting together and parties and such!!! I love the Christmas season.
Posted by All Done on November 2, 2004, at 16:37:03
In reply to Re: To add to the discussion: Question for Lou » gardenergirl, posted by Lou Pilder on November 2, 2004, at 16:29:28
> Perhaps after some time runs, these decisions could be incorperated into the FAQ. There, new members of the community could see more defined guidlines and members that have been here for some time that reread the FAQ could also.
> LouI think it is absolutely necessary to update the FAQs to include, at the very least, the new rules pertaining to the number of posts allowed in a given situation. Typically, I don't believe ignorance is an allowable defense, but if the rules aren't even posted...
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 2, 2004, at 16:52:32
In reply to Re: Lou's response to SLS-flgpol » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on November 2, 2004, at 14:27:45
> > Let us look at the flagpole situation. Let us be in the towne meeting. It is your turn to speak. What would you say?
> Lou
>
> The regulation (guidelines of civility) existed prior to the erection of the flagpole. Ignorant or not to the regulation, the erector behaved in a manner that might have represented a violation of that regulation. Whether or not there was a violation is the job of the magistrate (administrator) to determine. I don't think it is desirable to "flag" every "civil" behavior as a possible violation of every possible interpretation of every possible regulation. (Some humor was attempted in the previous sentence). It is cumbersome on the system. You may do that, of course, but it might be redundant here on Psycho-Babble as this function is already performed by the administrator.
>
> Perhaps it would be desirable to wait 3 days before bringing to the attention of the moderator a questionable post. That would give him sufficient time to review it on his own, and avoid the redundancy and collection of unnecessary posts on the administration board. You could ask the doctor what would be a sufficient time as I don't know what his review cycle period is.
>
>
> - ScottScott,
You wrote,[...the flagpole erector {might } have...]
There is the meeting to determine if erecting the flagpole is a {structure} that is not like other structures. So he thinks that he has not erectred a {structure}, hence the meeting for the determination by the towne board of directors.The mweeting is public and all those in the community have the opportunity to participate and give input for the determination to be made.
Some want the flagpole taken down. Others want it to stay.
You wrote,[...I don't think it is desirerable to "flag" evry...]. I understand your point. I think that more administatrators such as deputys could alleviate your concern. The function of the town meeting is for {any} question about something to be determined that is relevant to the rules of the community. In the Psycho-babble community, there is the administrative board that IMO parallels the town meeting.
You wrote, [...it is cumbersome on the system...]. That is true and that is why I think that we could have a need for more administrators in the form of deputys.
You wrote that the forum's administration function is already performed by the administrator. That is correct, but it it my understanding that he invites input and feedback also to aid in administration.
You wrote, [...wait 3 days...].This is a good idea and there is a discussion with me and Dr. Hsiung concerning something like that and is being developed.
Besr regards,
Lou
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