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Posted by Glydin on October 26, 2004, at 14:13:06
I would like a clarification on the questioning of a post's intent. In the past, I remember poster's being told that intent was not the main issue but more a "what did you actually say" in the post. I believe true intent can only be known by the poster themselves.
I believe some of the requests for determinations are just some fancy wordsmithing to cover some incivility in the "jumping to conclusions and judgements" category. It feels to me as if this is "finding a way to beat the system" if someone is stating their judgements but is prefixing them in such a way that civility rules are skirted. I do find that clever but it feels to me one could give just about any judgement, however uncivil, on any post, as long as one writes: "I wish for a determination... because I feel..."
Posted by verne on October 26, 2004, at 16:12:05
In reply to Intent versus what is REALLY written, posted by Glydin on October 26, 2004, at 14:13:06
> I believe some of the requests for determinations are just some fancy wordsmithing to cover some incivility in the "jumping to conclusions and judgements" category. It feels to me as if this is "finding a way to beat the system" if someone is stating their judgements but is prefixing them in such a way that civility rules are skirted. I do find that clever but it feels to me one could give just about any judgement, however uncivil, on any post, as long as one writes: "I wish for a determination... because I feel..."Excellent point! That's the way I see it too.
verne
Posted by Glydin on October 26, 2004, at 16:15:51
In reply to Re: Intent versus what is REALLY written » Glydin, posted by verne on October 26, 2004, at 16:12:05
Durn, I'm just glad to have someone agree with me! (smile)
Posted by pegasus on October 26, 2004, at 16:41:20
In reply to Intent versus what is REALLY written, posted by Glydin on October 26, 2004, at 14:13:06
I can also see that your explanation *could* be what's going on. I'd thought of that myself once or twice. But there isn't any way to tell for sure. Lou says he's truly innocent of being accusatory, and when I squint my eyes and reread a lot of his posts, I can see that it could be true. He may really be just trying to figure out the *exact* boundaries of the rules for the site. Maybe he just really needs to understand boundaries to an extent that no one else here ever has? It's just one idea.
pegasus
Posted by verne on October 26, 2004, at 16:58:57
In reply to Thanks, verne, posted by Glydin on October 26, 2004, at 16:15:51
There isn't much defense against a strategy that exploits a weakness in the civility guidelines and delights in doing others and the site harm.I'm joining the others who've been blocked or left. I don't have the will or wherewithal to fight this injustice while shackled and tied up in linguistic restraints.
So evil triumphs yet again. Bye all.
verne
Posted by SLS on October 26, 2004, at 17:05:44
In reply to In Agreement » Glydin, posted by verne on October 26, 2004, at 16:58:57
Don't make me come out there...
:-(
- Scott
Posted by Jai Narayan on October 26, 2004, at 17:40:02
In reply to In Agreement » Glydin, posted by verne on October 26, 2004, at 16:58:57
gosh, I am in tears. Please don't leave or if you do please come back...soon?
I will miss you verne.
Jai
Posted by verne on October 26, 2004, at 17:55:56
In reply to verne please don't leave, posted by Jai Narayan on October 26, 2004, at 17:40:02
Jai,
I figured I'm blocked anyway so I thought it would be a good time to say "goodbye".
If the "J" part of my INFJ personality weren't so strong, perhaps I could handle this site without it consuming me. I tend to embrace a cause at the expense of my emotional health. I'd rather be right than happy.
I responded to one of your poems over on the writing board. (you may have to scroll up to find it)
How's this? I may take some time out. Sorry if I've been dramatic. I feel like I've hijacked a perfectly good thread.
Glydin said something I've been trying to say. Every time I begin to elaborate though I get myself into civility quicksand.
Language has always been difficult for me.
verne
Posted by SLS on October 26, 2004, at 18:01:31
In reply to Re: verne please don't leave » Jai Narayan, posted by verne on October 26, 2004, at 17:55:56
What is a INFJ personality?
- Scott
Posted by Glydin on October 26, 2004, at 18:10:33
In reply to Re: verne please don't leave » Jai Narayan, posted by verne on October 26, 2004, at 17:55:56
> How's this? I may take some time out. Sorry if I've been dramatic. I feel like I've hijacked a perfectly good thread.
Nah, you are obviously well appreciated and that's wonderful to encounter. You look out for you. I do understand, my fortitude is waning, also.
> Glydin said something I've been trying to say. Every time I begin to elaborate though I get myself into civility quicksand.I may have done that myself, I hope that's not the case but, time will tell. I was citing a behavior, my preception of that behavior and it's impact on the board to include a "different" way to "see" things -- Merely my opinion and I did not consider my post an accusation but I guess I'll just have to wait and see how Dr. Bob sees it as it's in line for determination, which I expected.
Be good to yourself.
Posted by Jai Narayan on October 26, 2004, at 18:28:53
In reply to Re: verne please don't leave » Jai Narayan, posted by verne on October 26, 2004, at 17:55:56
I have always appreciated your comments.
You are a special person who has a gentle touch and a sweet mind.
I know you struggle but...
my, my, you are such an important voice on PB.
I hope you come back.
jai
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 26, 2004, at 21:11:34
In reply to Re: Intent versus what is REALLY written, posted by pegasus on October 26, 2004, at 16:41:20
pegasus,
I belive that you are seeing the crux of the matter. I feel that if a post goes unattended by a moderator, that there is the potential for others to think that the statement in question is endorsed by the moderator. I am only responding to the FAQ here that states that one could post on the administrative board a post that they want the moderator to see,and I do so in order to have a determination made so that I can be able to either also write or not write what is in the post in question and so that others could have the opportunity also to know by the determination. There have been posts determined to be acceptable and posts that need to be revised or rephrased, and some have been told to be civil by the moderator. I sometimes disagree with the modertor and then we could have dialog and continue. There have been these types also.
But the administrative board is open to all posters to request a determination. I feel that more support could come out of determinations.
I have a masters in school administration. There are different schools of thought about administrtaive theory. Mine may be different from others, but that does not mean that it is wrong. In fact, Dr. Hsiung has posted that he in some way aopproves of the requests to be out in the open.
My administrative theory says that I am to attempt to solve things at the lowest possible level. I think that the administrative board is the lowest possible level. After that, one could go to another level, but I think that things could be settled on the administrative board.
Lou
Posted by gardenergirl on October 26, 2004, at 21:24:43
In reply to Lou's response to pegasus, posted by Lou Pilder on October 26, 2004, at 21:11:34
Hi Lou,
Thanks for sharing a bit more about yourself. I agree that working from the lowest possible level, although I tend to view it as starting directly with the object, is good. I'm just wondering, though...what about dialoging directly with the poster? It seems like that would be at the most direct, bottom level. Administration seems to me to be a step up and away from directness.What do you think?
Regards,
ggPS, hope you have been able to enjoy some of the gorgeous weather while it is still around :-)
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 26, 2004, at 21:32:26
In reply to Re: Lou's response to pegasus, posted by gardenergirl on October 26, 2004, at 21:24:43
gg,
You wrote, [...lowest level..]
I once thought that here that the lowest level was the other poster. I changed that when I thought that there could be the potential for confrontation and then deceided that the administartive board , for me anyway, could be the lowest level.
It was a great day today here in The Queen City, after the Bengals defeat of the Broncos. Was that you and your husband rollerblading in Winton Woods?
Best regards,
Lou
Posted by gardenergirl on October 26, 2004, at 21:41:21
In reply to Lou's response to gardengirl » gardenergirl, posted by Lou Pilder on October 26, 2004, at 21:32:26
Hi Lou,
Quick reply so as not to get off track...Yes, great Bengals game!!! It would have been nice to have been at PBS.I wish it had been us. Both of us are busy studying/writing still. I'm not sure I even know where my blades are.
Take care,
gg
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 27, 2004, at 4:43:51
In reply to In Agreement » Glydin, posted by verne on October 26, 2004, at 16:58:57
> evil triumphs yet again.
Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down. I've asked you to be civil before, so now I'm going to block you from posting for a week.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
> I don't have the will or wherewithal to fight this injustice while shackled and tied up in linguistic restraints.
There are options besides fight and flight...
Bob
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