![[dr. bob]](/dr-bob-sm.gif)
Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
bob@dr-bob.orgShown: posts 1 to 8 of 8. This is the beginning of the thread.
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 13, 2004, at 17:23:54
In reply to Re: blocked for week » Frisky_Cat, posted by Dr. Bob on July 12, 2004, at 16:30:06
Chemist's Warm Welcome to Frisky_Cat » Frisky_Cat
Posted by chemist on July 12, 2004, at 18:34:17
In reply to Re: Going through Effexor Withdrawl now, posted by Frisky_Cat on July 11, 2004, at 5:28:39
hello there, chemist here.....my comments delineated by asterisks below. enjoy your week's vacation, you certainly earned it. see you next tuesday, chemist
> I have to protest the comments below. There is no hard evidence that antidepressants increase depression.
***** wrong. paradoxical reactions to all drugs are common. depression and anxiety are intertwined, and is a taper or titration is not properly carried out, the effects that are supposed to be ameliorated by the medication can - and usually will - be exacerbated.*****
The most logical explanation for the fact that sometimes people who take antidepressants commit suicide is
> 1. Coincidence
> 2. the antidepressants give them enough energy to commit suicide.***** if a person is taking an antidepressant, one would assume that if it is working - even a little bit - then their quality of life would improve. suicide is not something very happy and adjusted people do, as a rule. coincidence? doubt it. non-compliance on patient's part, refractory depression, and inattention from treating physician are just a few factors that are prominent in cases where sucical behavior is prominent.*****
> I was trained as a statistician. I am smart enough to know that the fact that umbrellas and rain are correlated does not imply that umbrellas caused it to rain.
***** yes, it's clear you were not trained as a scientist or an empathist from your post(s). [and yes, dr. bob, i'll promise to be civil, but please ding me anyway]. umbrellas and rain are correlated, in that if it rains, it causes people to use umbrellas. logic is not a one-way street. read Gorgias during your week off. it's a short one, so you'll have time to finish it.*****
> Similarly, if you take a population of extremely depressed prone to suicide, you can't draw the inference that putting them on a drug caused them to commit suicide.
***** you're a statistician. if they are extremely depressed and prone to suicide yet have not acted on this ideation, then do so upon introduction of a substance - and your cohort, as you note, is more or less homogenous - is there no reason to think that perhaps the ideation turned into action due to the introduction of the substance? *****
Some of these people will commit suicide no matter what treatment they receive or not.
***** i agree with you on the above point.*****
> I am stunned (as usual) by the inability of people on this board to think straight.
***** yes, as am i: hence my missive to you. this board is filled with cries of desparation and joy and pleas for assistance and we are all in the same boat. these people are all proactive, supportive, and helpful. from rambling on social to very serious cases of substance abuse (i do wonder why you have not advised the posters on that board, as surely your advice would be well received and help numerous folks with problems with alcoholism, meth abuse, etc.), everyone here has the same goal (well, there is always an outlier, isn't there, Frisky_Cat?): we want to get better, and we want to see our friends get better, too.*****
> I'll add that a good wager is that most of you will back on medication in the near future.
***** when you return, please thrall us with your statistical analysis and post the odds. i've got a wager of my own: i'll bet you could use a little medication and/or some therapy yourself. any takers? *****
Your conditions are chronic and the levels of neurotransmitters in your brain will deteriorate over time.
***** even ignorant people stumble upon truths once in a while. many conditions are chronic and do require continual use of medications. like diabetes. or high cholesterol. or myopia. or cancer. or biochemical imbalances in the brain. good work, although the odds of your realization of these other chronic conditions are right up there with those of my winning the tour de france this year. it's also true that as we age, we lose neurons and, despite what a certain researcher at princeton university claims, the folks in the know claim that they don't come back. as for levels of neurotransmitters, you're batting 0.500, which, statistically, is pretty good. but not good enough. some neurotransmitters increase with time, and some are lost. while on vacation, you might peruse the literature and report back to us why, for instance, older people tend to sleep less than younger people.*****
***** well, i'm sure you'll have lots to say when we see you next tuesday, Frisky_Cat: i'll bet on it. dr. bob asked you to be civil, then he banned you: i'm telling you to play nice, or find another sandbox to deposit your droppings. your boorish and simplistic and, most of all, hurtful post is a reminder to us all that, statistically speaking, there is always a rotten apple in the bushel. i would end this post with my usual tag, ``all the best,'' but odds are, i don't mean it. chemist *****
--
Re: Chemist's Warm Welcome to Frisky_Cat
Posted by lorily on July 12, 2004, at 19:21:25
In reply to Chemist's Warm Welcome to Frisky_Cat » Frisky_Cat, posted by chemist on July 12, 2004, at 18:34:17
Chemist,
Very nice!
Thank you--
Re: Chemist's Warm Welcome to Frisky_Cat » lorily
Posted by chemist on July 12, 2004, at 19:31:47
In reply to Re: Chemist's Warm Welcome to Frisky_Cat, posted by lorily on July 12, 2004, at 19:21:25
hello there, lorily. frisky_cat caused more damage to more people than medications, injuries, and traumas combined. let's hope we don't hear from her/him again unless she/he has something constructive to add. i'll be watching, and i hope the rest of y'all are, too. warmest wishes to you (and any and all others stomped upon by this loathsome piece of internet flotsam that landed here), and all the best, chemist
--
Re: Chemist's Warm Welcome to Frisky_Cat
Posted by worm on July 12, 2004, at 19:47:40
In reply to Re: Chemist's Warm Welcome to Frisky_Cat » lorily, posted by chemist on July 12, 2004, at 19:31:47
Well, I have done my (small) part to un-do what Frisky Cat has done - I'm not as brave or as well-armed with facts as Chemist, (great job, BTW) but I just want everyone to know that I have survived - I am totally off Effexor and have been for several months, but I still monitor this board in case I can be of help.
Hang in there, there is light at the end of the tunnel - and it is NOT and oncoming train!!! (Its me, rooting for you all the way)
Worm
--
Re: Chemist's Warm Welcome to Frisky_Cat » worm
Posted by chemist on July 12, 2004, at 20:09:43
In reply to Re: Chemist's Warm Welcome to Frisky_Cat, posted by worm on July 12, 2004, at 19:47:40
hello worm, i'm not that brave or that knowledgeable: i am opinionated and frequently wrong, although i try not to be (wrong, that is). being wrong, silly, opinionated, ham-handed, or just out-to-lunch are all acceptable slip-ups, because they can be undone with a few kind words. frisky_cat has nothing nice to say or contribute to the well-being of any of the gang on these boards, and that doesn't wash with me, consequences from dr.bob [for me] be what they may. on a different note, congratulations on your continued well-being and successful taper. all the best, chemist
--
Re: Chemist's Warm Welcome to Frisky_Cat
Posted by KaraS on July 12, 2004, at 23:48:42
In reply to Re: Chemist's Warm Welcome to Frisky_Cat » worm, posted by chemist on July 12, 2004, at 20:09:43
Wow, Chemist. You sure put that troglodyte in his/her place! I only wish Frisky_Cat were banned for good. Maybe if we take a vote...
Kara--
I like Kara's idea: Survivor - Psycho-Babble » KaraS
Posted by chemist on July 13, 2004, at 9:41:08
In reply to Re: Chemist's Warm Welcome to Frisky_Cat, posted by KaraS on July 12, 2004, at 23:48:42
hello there, chemist here....i hope you don't mind if i took your (excellent) idea and expanded it. i'm with you, and i cast a vote to eliminate Frisky_Cat from PB Island. see you at the next challenge, and all the best, chemist
--
Re: Chemist's Warm Welcome to Frisky_Cat
Posted by lorily on July 13, 2004, at 10:55:31
In reply to Re: Chemist's Warm Welcome to Frisky_Cat » worm, posted by chemist on July 12, 2004, at 20:09:43
Chemist,
Sometimes you just got to do what you feel it the right thing regardless of the consequences. You have integrity and you made a whole lot of people feel good, me included.--
Re: Chemist's Warm Welcome to Frisky_Cat
Posted by lorily on July 13, 2004, at 10:59:47
In reply to Re: Chemist's Warm Welcome to Frisky_Cat » lorily, posted by chemist on July 12, 2004, at 19:31:47
Well, Chemist, I'm a whole lot tougher than to take to heart anything F_C can dish out. But it was a truly awful thing to do. Probably is just portraying what he/she decided to be true for HIM/HER, and wanting to drag the rest of us with 'em. You know, misery loving company and all.
But, how mean.--
Re: Chemist's Warm Welcome to Frisky_Cat » lorily
Posted by chemist on July 13, 2004, at 11:00:56
In reply to Re: Chemist's Warm Welcome to Frisky_Cat, posted by lorily on July 13, 2004, at 10:55:31
well, i do hope you vote to keep me on the island :) all the best to you, and don't let 'em get you down, as this too shall pass....chemist
--
Re: Chemist's Warm Welcome to Frisky_Cat » lorily
Posted by chemist on July 13, 2004, at 11:21:48
In reply to Re: Chemist's Warm Welcome to Frisky_Cat, posted by lorily on July 13, 2004, at 10:59:47
oh, i have no doubt you're a tough cookie. i think all the babblers are, in their own special ways. there is clearly a need for a supportive and informative environment, and PB seems like a relatively untainted place, free of pop-ups and useless links and so on. hostile projection is, in my opinion, reserved for one's therapist or some other outlet that is less public than PB. there's ``please be civil'' and then there's ``please leave and never darken my doorway again.'' this individual singularly - and ignorantly and rudely, i might add - impeded the progress of a rather lengthy discourse about a very, very unpleasant subject that has been the bane of many posters' existence. to dismiss all the very real feelings presented here in such a manner was, as you noted, just mean. all the best, chemist
--
Re: Chemist's Warm Welcome to Frisky_Cat » lorily
Posted by dizzzzy on July 13, 2004, at 12:53:39
In reply to Re: Chemist's Warm Welcome to Frisky_Cat, posted by lorily on July 12, 2004, at 19:21:25
Thank you Chemist for saying it perfectly! Bravo!
--
Re: I like Kara's idea: Survivor - Psycho-Babble » chemist
Posted by dizzzzy on July 13, 2004, at 12:56:21
In reply to I like Kara's idea: Survivor - Psycho-Babble » KaraS, posted by chemist on July 13, 2004, at 9:41:08
I vote for a ban from the island as well!
--
Re: Chemist's Warm Welcome to Frisky_Cat
Posted by lorily on July 13, 2004, at 13:51:23
In reply to Re: Chemist's Warm Welcome to Frisky_Cat » lorily, posted by chemist on July 13, 2004, at 11:00:56
We'll need to check with Kara on the voting schedule. :)
--
I'm serious, how about it Dr. Bob?
Posted by KaraS on July 13, 2004, at 15:29:18
In reply to Re: Chemist's Warm Welcome to Frisky_Cat, posted by lorily on July 13, 2004, at 13:51:23
Many of us do not want to see Frisky_Cat back here in another week! He/she didn't just get a little angry and out of control, he/she came in here set on hurting people. There's no reason for that "loathsome piece of internet flotsam" to be welcomed back here.
(and thank you again, Chemist, for your guts, integrity and brilliant use of the English language.)
--
Re: I'm serious, how about it Dr. Bob? » KaraS
Posted by chemist on July 13, 2004, at 16:14:02
In reply to I'm serious, how about it Dr. Bob?, posted by KaraS on July 13, 2004, at 15:29:18
hello there, chemist here...it's one of the few times i spelled some SAT words correctly: thank you for noticing! should you need any help manning the polling booths or canvassing the neighborhood, please let me know....all the best, chemist
--
Re: Chemist's Warm Welcome to Frisky_Cat » dizzzzy
Posted by chemist on July 13, 2004, at 16:16:53
In reply to Re: Chemist's Warm Welcome to Frisky_Cat » lorily, posted by dizzzzy on July 13, 2004, at 12:53:39
hello there, chemist here...just remember to make sure you are registered to vote and know where your voting precinct is located on election day.....it sounds as if lorily has come up with quite an excellent use for the democratic process....all the best, chemist
--
oops, my mistake » lorily
Posted by chemist on July 13, 2004, at 16:19:36
In reply to Re: Chemist's Warm Welcome to Frisky_Cat, posted by lorily on July 13, 2004, at 13:51:23
sorry, kara.....i inadvertantly identified lorily as the director of the upcoming election: it appears as if you are suited to be deputy director, how about that? :) all the best, chemist
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 13, 2004, at 17:48:11
In reply to Redirected: Chemist's Warm Welcome to Frisky_Cat, posted by Dr. Bob on July 13, 2004, at 17:23:54
> I vote for a ban from the island as well!
Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel put down. Even if they started it. Try to be patient and not to let them push your buttons? Two wrongs don't make a right. I already asked you to be civil, so now I'm going to block you from posting for a week.
If you have any questions or comments about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
or email me, or post a follow-up here after your block is over.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 13, 2004, at 17:49:51
In reply to Redirected: Chemist's Warm Welcome to Frisky_Cat, posted by Dr. Bob on July 13, 2004, at 17:23:54
> it's clear you were not trained as a scientist or an empathist
> i'll bet you could use a little medication and/or some therapy yourself.
> your boorish and simplistic and, most of all, hurtful post is a reminder to us all that, statistically speaking, there is always a rotten apple in the bushel.
> frisky_cat caused more damage to more people than medications, injuries, and traumas combined.
> this loathsome piece of internet flotsam that landed here
> frisky_cat has nothing nice to say or contribute to the well-being of any of the gang on these boards
> i cast a vote to eliminate Frisky_Cat from PB Island.
> this individual singularly - and ignorantly and rudely, i might add - impeded the progress of a rather lengthy discourse about a very, very unpleasant subject that has been the bane of many posters' existence. to dismiss all the very real feelings presented here in such a manner was, as you noted, just mean.
Please don't jump to conclusions about others or post anything that could lead them to feel accused or put down. Try to be patient and not to let them push your buttons? Two wrongs don't make a right. I've asked you to be civil in the past, so now I'm going to block you from posting for a week.
If you have any questions or comments about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
or email me, or post a follow-up here after your block is over.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 13, 2004, at 17:50:57
In reply to Redirected: Chemist's Warm Welcome to Frisky_Cat, posted by Dr. Bob on July 13, 2004, at 17:23:54
> that troglodyte
> I only wish Frisky_Cat were banned for good.> Many of us do not want to see Frisky_Cat back here in another week! ... he/she came in here set on hurting people. There's no reason for that "loathsome piece of internet flotsam" to be welcomed back here.
>
> KaraS> it was a truly awful thing to do.
> how mean.
>
> lorilyPlease don't jump to conclusions about others or post anything that could lead them to feel accused or put down. Even if they started it. Try to be patient and not to let them push your buttons? Two wrongs don't make a right.
If you have any questions or comments about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
or redirect a follow-up to Psycho-Babble Administration.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Larry Hoover on July 14, 2004, at 18:01:05
In reply to Redirected: Chemist's Warm Welcome to Frisky_Cat, posted by Dr. Bob on July 13, 2004, at 17:23:54
I don't understand this, Dr. Bob. Is this a new procedure, to move an entire block of dialog? This seems like much more than a redirection.
Lar
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 14, 2004, at 19:26:23
In reply to Re: Redirected: Chemist's Warm Welcome to Frisky_Cat » Dr. Bob, posted by Larry Hoover on July 14, 2004, at 18:01:05
Posted by Dinah on July 14, 2004, at 20:57:14
In reply to Re: Redirected: Chemist's Warm Welcome to Frisky_Cat » Dr. Bob, posted by Larry Hoover on July 14, 2004, at 18:01:05
When people continue on a thread after a redirect.
Posted by Larry Hoover on July 15, 2004, at 11:59:02
In reply to Re: He's done it many times. » Larry Hoover, posted by Dinah on July 14, 2004, at 20:57:14
> When people continue on a thread after a redirect.
Okay. I hadn't noticed. I'm accustomed (or perhaps mistaken to be so) to seeing some evidence of the message being redirected remaining in the original thread. When I went to the thread to get a context for the redirect, there was none, and I thought that odd.
Lar
This is the end of the thread.
Psycho-Babble Administration | Extras | FAQ
Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
bob@dr-bob.org
Script revised: February 4, 2008
URL: http://www.dr-bob.org/cgi-bin/pb/mget.pl
Copyright 2006-17 Robert Hsiung.
Owned and operated by Dr. Bob LLC and not the University of Chicago.