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Posted by mattdds on January 20, 2004, at 12:53:38
In reply to Farewell, fellow Babbleites, posted by Larry Hoover on January 20, 2004, at 10:06:30
Larry,
I understand why you're leaving. To echo the many that have already said it, you have been a tremendous source of good here.
I know your intentions were always good. You have a tremendous soul, and have given so much of your time and knowledge to help others. Most of all, you're a loyal friend to those you care about.
I wish you the best, and I'm confident you'll do what's best for you. Selfishly, I would like to see you stay, but I can see that you're doing what's best for you. Good for you, you deserve it!
You have my email address...use it!
Thank you, Larry Hoover!
Goodbye friend,
Matt
Posted by Dinah on January 20, 2004, at 13:08:13
In reply to Farewell, fellow Babbleites, posted by Larry Hoover on January 20, 2004, at 10:06:30
I see you've put serious thought into this, and while I (and Babble in general) will miss you, I'm glad you're doing what is best for you.
I'm sorry you and Dr. Bob couldn't work something out. :( I know you have a great off-Babble support system, and I'm very glad about that.
Please know you've done something very good while you're here.
You know how to find me, don't be shy about saying hallo.
(I felt the exact same way about Babble and the civility rules as you did when you rediscovered this place.)
Many good wishes.
Dinah
Posted by Penny on January 20, 2004, at 13:22:29
In reply to Farewell, fellow Babbleites, posted by Larry Hoover on January 20, 2004, at 10:06:30
I wish you all the best and will miss reading your posts. Take care.
Penny
Posted by NikkiT2 on January 20, 2004, at 13:49:59
In reply to Farewell, fellow Babbleites, posted by Larry Hoover on January 20, 2004, at 10:06:30
Good luck Larry, and I hope you take good care of yourself.
Nikki x
Posted by Elle2021 on January 20, 2004, at 16:58:15
In reply to Farewell, fellow Babbleites, posted by Larry Hoover on January 20, 2004, at 10:06:30
Lars,
Your post really moved me. I am so sorry to hear you have decided to leave. You mentioned that you weren't saying that you would never come back. I hope that in time, perhaps after things settle, that you will feel safe enough to return. I know that you are my favorite poster to debate with, hands down. I never agreed with your block, and I'm sorry that I never spoke up. I just felt that it was better for me to stay out of it. I wish I had said something, please forgive me. I'm sorry to hear about your childhood, it reminds me of my own. I was also led to believe that my feelings were "wrong" or not important. It hurts. I can understand why boundaries are vital to you, they are extremely important to me also.I just want to add, that you are one of the most eloquent writers that I have ever had the pleasure of reading. I will really miss you and your insight Larry Hoover. All the best to you, and God Bless. I will be praying for you.
Sincere Regards,
Elle
Posted by tabitha on January 20, 2004, at 17:24:34
In reply to Farewell, fellow Babbleites, posted by Larry Hoover on January 20, 2004, at 10:06:30
Thanks for sharing all that, Larry. I think I understand your feelings about the block and the civility rules a bit better now. Despite our disagreements on some things, I have much respect for the integrity and generosity you've shown here at Babble. I wish you peace and wholeness.. in moving past this stage in your life.. and starting the next.
Posted by rosmarin on January 20, 2004, at 18:12:11
In reply to Farewell, fellow Babbleites, posted by Larry Hoover on January 20, 2004, at 10:06:30
Hello Larry, I'm a lurker and I had meant to post to you before. I always liked your posts very much for the real information in them, which I think can sometimes be more helpful than effusive messages of support.
It is very good of Bob to make this site available, and he has some high ideals for it, but I think in spite of that there is dysfunction in the system. I agree that you have become the current scapegoat.. If it is not possible for you to be real, then the only healthy thing you can do is to leave. Incidentally, Stjames posted recently that he couldn't understand why he was not blocked even though he overstepped the line frequently - I think that's because he is the clown in this system.
To switch from family dynamics to Jung! I saw some posts recently about the site's shadow, along the lines that the site's shadow consisted of profanity, name-calling, joking about death and so on. But these things are suppressed quite successfully, and isn't the shadow as much about about things which are acted out but not acknowledged? The shadow of this site also consists of envy, rage and cruelty which are not acknowledged and are acted out in a civil manner.
Posted by stjames on January 20, 2004, at 19:36:08
In reply to Re: Farewell, fellow Babbleites, posted by rosmarin on January 20, 2004, at 18:12:11
Posted by gabbix2 on January 20, 2004, at 20:13:13
In reply to please be civil, rosmarin (nm), posted by stjames on January 20, 2004, at 19:36:08
> Incidentally, Stjames posted recently that he couldn't understand why he was not blocked even though he overstepped the line frequently - I think that's because he is the clown in this system.
I hope you have a different definition of clown than the one I do.
If you've read many of ST. James posts, or seen
how long he's been a valued contributer to Babble I'm sure you'd also see that his depth and intelligence can hardly be categorized under the term Clown. Maybe you could research a little more before you label someone?
Posted by tealady on January 20, 2004, at 20:46:07
In reply to please be civil, rosmarin (nm), posted by stjames on January 20, 2004, at 19:36:08
StJames,
I just had to respond. I really didn't take the same meaning as you did to rosmarin's post. Until I just read your and gabbi's replies..it actually never occurred to me that it could be taken that way. I had taken it as completely complimentary ... which just goes to show how words can be read differently.
A clown, to me, implies both a really great sense of humour and the ability to put it across ..as well as a fair whack of applicable relevant knowledgable content to go with it ..at least to me.
And that's how you came across as trying to be to me too.
Posted by gabbix2 on January 20, 2004, at 21:03:20
In reply to Re: please be civil, rosmarin » stjames, posted by tealady on January 20, 2004, at 20:46:07
Well St James certainly does have a rapier wit!
I hope that's what Rosmarin meant. If it is Rosmarin I sincerely apologize.
Thanks Tealady for pointing out a completely plausible explanation.
Posted by shar on January 20, 2004, at 21:53:32
In reply to Re: please be civil, rosmarin » tealady, posted by gabbix2 on January 20, 2004, at 21:03:20
Larry AND St. James are leaving?!
Man, I hate that! I really value your input so much (both of you) and don't want to see you leave. I have an aversion to losing people.
If you ever come back you both will be so welcome (see my post above, Lar). And, St. James, I will miss your 'James here' that resides in my memory.
What a bummer.
Well, I wish you both the very best, and hope your lives will do nothing but improve.
Shar
Posted by sienna on January 21, 2004, at 1:17:24
In reply to Farewell, fellow Babbleites, posted by Larry Hoover on January 20, 2004, at 10:06:30
I wish you the best, really and maybe one day we will meet again on another site somewhere or here or something. If you find any interesting places or need a friend to talk to or anything else, my email is
siennababble at yahoo dot comTake care of yourself and thanks again for all of the knowledge you have passed on to all of us.
Sienna who is very sorry to see you go...
.......
...
and also very pissed off at the bureacracy and madness...
Posted by rosmarin on January 21, 2004, at 2:09:57
In reply to Re: please be civil, rosmarin » stjames, posted by tealady on January 20, 2004, at 20:46:07
> StJames,
> I just had to respond. I really didn't take the same meaning as you did to rosmarin's post. Until I just read your and gabbi's replies..it actually never occurred to me that it could be taken that way. I had taken it as completely complimentary ... which just goes to show how words can be read differently.
> A clown, to me, implies both a really great sense of humour and the ability to put it across ..as well as a fair whack of applicable relevant knowledgable content to go with it ..at least to me.
> And that's how you came across as trying to be to me too.
>
>Yes, tealady, that's exactly what I meant. I was quite upset about Larry when I wrote my post, and I'm sorry, stjames, that I didn't explain. My hypothesis was that Bob might not want to sanction stjames if the dysfunctional system is helped by having a clown, jester, mascot, whatever. But I don't think stjames colluded with this - my own feeling is that he was always being real, but using his rapier wit to make important points.
My main point, though, was that the dysfunctional system needs scapegoats from time to time. The trouble with getting rid of Larry is that the cathartic fix will only last a while, and then someone else will have to start being the scapegoat.
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 21, 2004, at 2:23:43
In reply to Farewell, fellow Babbleites, posted by Larry Hoover on January 20, 2004, at 10:06:30
> I cannot return to Babble. It is not good for me to do so. I seldom speak of myself in the open manner in which I'm about to, but that's only because I don't talk about myself all that much. There are so many *other* fascinating things to talk about. ;-)
I'm really sorry about how things have gone lately. You've been a tremendous asset, and you have to do what you have to do, but I think it would be great if you could somehow see your way to returning later to continue to contribute to this community -- or just to talk more about yourself!
Best wishes,
Bob
Posted by SLS on January 21, 2004, at 7:26:38
In reply to Farewell, fellow Babbleites, posted by Larry Hoover on January 20, 2004, at 10:06:30
Dear Larry,
Please see:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20040112/msgs/303623.html
I don't know what more I can say.
Be well. I'm sure you will.
With the greatest of sincerity,
Scott
Posted by Susan J on January 21, 2004, at 7:36:19
In reply to Re: Farewell, fellow Babbleites » Larry Hoover, posted by SLS on January 21, 2004, at 7:26:38
Daggit, this thread is gonna make me cry.
:-(
Posted by TeeJay on January 21, 2004, at 21:58:29
In reply to Re: Farewell » Larry Hoover, posted by Dr. Bob on January 21, 2004, at 2:23:43
> I cannot return to Babble. It is not good for me to do so. I seldom speak of myself in the open manner in which I'm about to, but that's only because I don't talk about myself all that much. There are so many *other* fascinating things to talk about. ;-)
I'm really sorry about how things have gone lately. You've been a tremendous asset, and you have to do what you have to do, but I think it would be great if you could somehow see your way to returning later to continue to contribute to this community -- or just to talk more about yourself!
Best wishes,
Bob
As far as I can see Bob, you did a very good job of driving Lar off this board all by yourself!
I dont like bad karma and as such have not come here often and have commented even less, but I sensed something was going on by tealadys remarks to me earlier so I came and had a look.
I read Lar's fresh posting after his ban (the post you subsequently banned him for 6 weeks for), and fail miserably to see what your problem is with his posting!?!?! The post he is replying to is little short of a direct and personal attack on Larry yet you ban larry for defending himself in a robust but civil manner. Let me remind you that civil doesnt necessarily mean one responds like a pussy cat, one can be firm or robust in ones reply and still remain civil.
I recall shortly after I had registered here, reading a post from someone who claimed to be sh*gging their dog. Now if the posting had obviously come from someone with a genuine mental/sexual problem then vile as the posting may have been, the poster would have deserved (and got) support from this community, but it was blatantly clear the post was not genuine but a deliberate attempt to take the p*ss out of you, your board and everyone who posts here. You chose at the time to fight the calls for the posts removal very strongly, and even warned responders for their scathing remarks about the post.
Perhaps you'd enlighten me (and perhaps others) byt explaining how you balance or justify the above actions with the manner in which you have treated Larry Hoover, because from where I am sitting they seem wholly at odds!
I'll crawl back under my stone now (I presume posting in a manner that puts myself down is ok???).
TJ
Posted by mair on January 21, 2004, at 22:18:43
In reply to Farewell, fellow Babbleites, posted by Larry Hoover on January 20, 2004, at 10:06:30
" Mair said it very well. Thank you.
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20031120/msgs/297774.html
> (Aside: Sometimes it only takes the reading of a brief passage to know that I really like someone, and I like you Mair. I'm sorry we don't any longer have this board in common, to become better acquainted.)"Larry - thank you so very much for these kind words. They provided very much of a mixed bag - the sole bright spot in yet another bad day - but of course i wish your post was not a farewell. Please take care of yourself.
Mair
Posted by EscherDementian on January 23, 2004, at 3:10:40
In reply to Oh, Lar » Larry Hoover, posted by Susan J on January 20, 2004, at 12:22:07
Thank you Larry, for all the guidance and help your knowledge/experience and truthful sincerity have offered me, too. Your sharing has made an infinite difference for me in ways large and small. i will miss you. i most whole heartedly agree with most of the afore posted responses... and to say any more, i can't use words that don't say enough.
If you can see your way clear to this, Please keep in touch with me? Just a ping will do...
Escher
QfamilyMartinsen@yahoo.comP.S.
You once called me 'dude'...
shhhh... i'm not.
take care
Posted by noa on January 24, 2004, at 13:28:51
In reply to Farewell, fellow Babbleites, posted by Larry Hoover on January 20, 2004, at 10:06:30
Larry,
I thank you for your post, and I think we all need to do whatever we need to do to take care of ourselves.
But as someone who once took a "healing hiatus" from Babble, let me offer that I hope you feel welcome to come by at a later time for a visit IF it feels right to you.
I have appreciated what I've learned from you.
Take care.
Posted by noa on January 24, 2004, at 13:32:02
In reply to Re: please be civil, rosmarin » stjames, posted by tealady on January 20, 2004, at 20:46:07
By clown, does Rosmarin mean like the role of the jester in Shakespeare in being able to say things straight out that is forbidden for the other characters? And being a kind of voice over narrator of the action?
Posted by noa on January 24, 2004, at 13:35:12
In reply to Oh, man! This just blows!, posted by shar on January 20, 2004, at 21:53:32
Is James leaving too? I hope not. I've been out of it and not visiting admin much. I'm sorry on both counts--to see Larry and James go. James, you were here when I joined in 1999 and were very helpful to me.
Take care.
Posted by shar on January 25, 2004, at 0:15:00
In reply to Re: Oh, man! This just blows! » shar, posted by noa on January 24, 2004, at 13:35:12
Noa,
The second message in this thread (after Larry's) is from st. james, and it sure looks to me like he's bidding us farewell.I think james took a break (a long one, if I remember correctly) a while back, but then started posting occasionally. I was delighted to see him back.
I'm hoping they'll both at least visit from time to time.
Shar
Posted by psychlover on January 25, 2004, at 18:10:03
In reply to I believe it is true, and sad, too » noa, posted by shar on January 25, 2004, at 0:15:00
I am surprised no one has asked Larry if there is anyway to be in touch with him. I, for one, checked into Babble every day just to see what Larry had posted, and now I don't really have much reason to check in here... I want to know if I can reach him now. Does anyone know how to get in touch with him?
Also, Larry, if you are reading this, I want to tell you how much I have enjoyed and benefited from your eloquent, informative, and helpful posts. Thanks for all you have given us. You will be missed by everyone here.
Just to add my two cents, I think Dr. Bob made a big mistake, and his attempt at an apology was insufficient.
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