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Posted by Elle2021 on January 8, 2004, at 2:17:33
In reply to Dr bob is a pedophile, posted by stjames on January 7, 2004, at 13:12:36
I stayed out of this thread for a long time. I would just like to say that making false or uninformed claims about a medication is a lot different than personally assaulting someone by calling them a pedophile.
Elle
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 8, 2004, at 3:05:04
In reply to Dr bob is a pedophile, posted by stjames on January 7, 2004, at 13:12:36
> Dr bob is a pedophile
Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused, thanks.
> > People have never been under any obligation here to back up what they say. So sometimes they don't. That should be taken into account when deciding what information to trust
There's a difference between whether something is accusatory and whether it's backed up by evidence...
Bob
PS: Thanks for your support, everyone. :-)
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 8, 2004, at 3:05:12
In reply to Re: And » Dr. Bob, posted by Dinah on January 7, 2004, at 19:41:11
> My concern is that people don't understand the concepts of making things non-accusatory and using I-statements and so forth. It's such a different standard than other boards, and from normal social discourse. I really think it takes some special training to get your rules. Did you ever think of putting together a bunch of examples like this, of blockable offenses, and the acceptable alternatives? Put it into the FAQ somewhere. Otherwise we keep having these cases of valuable, intelligent, well-spoken posters stepping over the lines without realizing it.
>
> tabithaThere have always been a couple examples in the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
and not too long ago I added a link there to more information on I-statements:
http://www.crnhq.org/windskill4.html
> I would say the same thing for this situation as I did for Dena's. When someone is obviously attempting to be civil, and yet you feel they haven't quite made it, couldn't you give alternative ways of stating first along with a please rephrase before you block?
>
> DinahNew posters, sure, they may step over a line without realizing it. But after they do it a half dozen times...
Hmm, I suppose I could suggest each time that they consider discussing alternative wordings here... To be more prepared the next time...
Bob
Posted by mair on January 8, 2004, at 7:54:47
In reply to Vote with your feet and leave stjames, posted by Karen_kay on January 7, 2004, at 23:42:31
I'm sure stjames knows he can leave any time. If my memory serves correctly, I'd guess that among active posters, he's been here as long as almost anyone else. Obviously in spite of frustrations with this site, he's chosen to stay and I hope he continues to stay for a very long time.
I'm sure Bob would be among the first to admit that this site isn't perfect and his administration of it isn't flawless. Everyone has to continually balance the benefits they get from participation against the toll of emotional upheaval that we all feel when things happen here that upset us. Its an everchanging balance as most things are. Maybe he could have made his point in a better way, but I don't think he should ever be faulted for pointing out what he feels are some of the deficiencies in the way the site is being administered.
Mair
Posted by zenhussy on January 8, 2004, at 8:08:27
In reply to you're absolutely right » SLS, posted by judy1 on January 7, 2004, at 11:05:23
> ...I think on the whole they are enforced equally (meaning the good people who occasionally screw up get hit with blocks along with those who consistently mess up), and more importantly I feel safer now then I did for the period when the board was growing w/o rules in place...
> take care, judyJudy1,
What do you think of this kind of selective enforcement with the recent blocks and bans of late?
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20031120/msgs/297991.html
Re: Before this gets deleted.... » Dr. Bob
Posted by zenhussy on January 8, 2004, at 7:58:17In reply to Re: sorry, sometimes things slip through, posted by Dr. Bob on January 8, 2004, at 3:07:35
>>Meaning? You will be dealing with the offensive language from the three posts by the methods you spell out in the FAQ?
>>Or are you saying that if it slips through then 'oh well' and you're going to let it be?
>In cases like this, I think it's usually better overall just to let it be...
Bob
That's the biggest load of bs to ever come out of your mouth Dr. Bob. I cannot believe you enforce your rules so willy nilly.I think everyone needs to see that you CHOOSE not to enforce the rule where others have been banned for alternate words for DONKEY.
Posters...what do you think of the doctor's enforcement???? Especially those of you dinged for lesser words?
zh
Here's how the doctor treats Zenhussy:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20031217/msgs/291964.html
Re: please be civil » zenhussy
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 20, 2003, at 16:59:38In reply to Re: Hold on to these feelings while they pass.... » 8 Miles, posted by zenhussy on December 20, 2003, at 4:41:53
> Who will come take care of everything I've let fall to sh*t because of my depression?
Please don't use language that could offend others, thanks.
Bob
Here is how NikkiT2 is treated:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/2000/20031122/msgs/297278.html I'm sorry about all of that shit..Here is st@cy's special treatment:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20031229/msgs/295751.html and if i ever disagree with what
you do i can beat the shit out of you and not get into troubleAnd fluffy too gets a pass:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20031231/msgs/296349.html I've been pretty shitty myself. I was laying
on the couch crying,
Posted by Dinah on January 8, 2004, at 9:14:53
In reply to Re: please be civil » stjames, posted by Dr. Bob on January 8, 2004, at 3:05:04
Wow, Dr. Bob. If I had a bunch of PBC's on my record, and made that statement, I'd pretty much expect a block. I kind of think I'd get one too....
I certainly am impressed with your patience and forbearance. I wish you had shared some with Lar and Dena.
Posted by Jai Narayan on January 8, 2004, at 9:19:16
In reply to Dr bob is a pedophile, posted by stjames on January 7, 2004, at 13:12:36
> Lest see how this works:
>
>
> People have never been under any obligation here to back up what they say. So sometimes they don't. That should be taken into account when deciding what information to trust:
>
this may be a cleaver way to get your point across but I was molested by a pedophile and this is very painful. you seem to have lost any concern for others with this post....it's even hard to post this, I am so uncomfortable...
I hope you can see this.
Posted by SLS on January 8, 2004, at 9:44:48
In reply to Re: some special training, posted by Dr. Bob on January 8, 2004, at 3:05:12
> > My concern is that people don't understand the concepts of making things non-accusatory and using I-statements and so forth. It's such a different standard than other boards, and from normal social discourse. I really think it takes some special training to get your rules. Did you ever think of putting together a bunch of examples like this, of blockable offenses, and the acceptable alternatives? Put it into the FAQ somewhere. Otherwise we keep having these cases of valuable, intelligent, well-spoken posters stepping over the lines without realizing it.
> There have always been a couple examples in the FAQ:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
>
> and not too long ago I added a link there to more information on I-statements:
>
> http://www.crnhq.org/windskill4.html
The FAQ serves as a thoughtful guideline for civility, but there is a learning curve involved that includes practice. You are effectively teaching an entire population important skills for improved communication.It would make for a great study...
:-)
Cool.
- Scott
Posted by gabbix2 on January 8, 2004, at 10:26:54
In reply to Re: Dr bob is a pedophile, posted by Jai Narayan on January 8, 2004, at 9:19:16
>I was molested by a pedophile and this is very painful. you seem to have lost any concern for others with this post
Please don't Jump to conclusions about others Jai,
I had the same experience as a child and most emphatically do not agree with your statement about St. James. I think Mair said everything most eloquently in her posts I don't need to repeat anything. There are many ways to hurt people besides the "headline grabbers." Somehow I think you are aware of that.
Posted by judy1 on January 8, 2004, at 10:41:07
In reply to Re: how about this equal enforcement? » judy1, posted by zenhussy on January 8, 2004, at 8:08:27
you're right of course, a lot of that was unfair. but I guess I look at the hundreds/thousands? of messages posted on the dozen boards at any given time and I stand by my statement "nobody can be right 100% of the time". We get into discussions on PB psych about our therapists messing up sometimes, then we realize they're human and agree that on the whole they're doing a good job. I guess I look at this board the same way. I'm grateful it's here, I've gained a great deal, and sometimes I disagree or am hurt but realize I benefit a great deal more often than not. I truly hope you can feel the same way because I think you're a wonderful asset to the board.
take care, judy
Posted by judy1 on January 8, 2004, at 10:46:47
In reply to Re: Dr bob is a pedophile, posted by Jai Narayan on January 8, 2004, at 9:19:16
it was hurtful for me also that someone can be so cavalier about a subject that has harmed many of us. it was plain wrong.- judy
Posted by judy1 on January 8, 2004, at 10:59:03
In reply to Re: please be civil » Dr. Bob, posted by Dinah on January 8, 2004, at 9:14:53
I was surprised he didn't get a block either, especially (as you pointed out), there had been numerous PBCs issued. But a.) you never would have written such a post and b.) that would have been Dr. Bob's response no matter who had posted it, I think he was trying to defuse an angry situation. If the post had been directed towards anyone else, he would have been blocked- judy
Posted by Jai Narayan on January 8, 2004, at 11:04:56
In reply to Re: Dr bob is a pedophile » Jai Narayan, posted by gabbix2 on January 8, 2004, at 10:26:54
> Please don't Jump to conclusions about others Jai,
> I had the same experience as a child and most emphatically do not agree with your statement about St. James.
<I am sorry I have not read all of Mair postings. I will read it when I have time. thanks for the heads up.
Posted by Karen_kay on January 8, 2004, at 11:08:45
In reply to Re: how about this equal enforcement? » judy1, posted by zenhussy on January 8, 2004, at 8:08:27
> > ...I think on the whole they are enforced equally (meaning the good people who occasionally screw up get hit with blocks along with those who consistently mess up), and more importantly I feel safer now then I did for the period when the board was growing w/o rules in place...
> > take care, judy
>
> Judy1,
>
> What do you think of this kind of selective enforcement with the recent blocks and bans of late?
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20031120/msgs/297991.html
> Re: Before this gets deleted.... » Dr. Bob
> Posted by zenhussy on January 8, 2004, at 7:58:17
>
> In reply to Re: sorry, sometimes things slip through, posted by Dr. Bob on January 8, 2004, at 3:07:35
>
> >>Meaning? You will be dealing with the offensive language from the three posts by the methods you spell out in the FAQ?
>
> >>Or are you saying that if it slips through then 'oh well' and you're going to let it be?
>
> >In cases like this, I think it's usually better overall just to let it be...
> Bob
>
>
> That's the biggest load of bs to ever come out of your mouth Dr. Bob. I cannot believe you enforce your rules so willy nilly.
>
> I think everyone needs to see that you CHOOSE not to enforce the rule where others have been banned for alternate words for DONKEY.
>
> Posters...what do you think of the doctor's enforcement???? Especially those of you dinged for lesser words?
>
> zh
>
> Here's how the doctor treats Zenhussy:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20031217/msgs/291964.html
> Re: please be civil » zenhussy
> Posted by Dr. Bob on December 20, 2003, at 16:59:38
>
> In reply to Re: Hold on to these feelings while they pass.... » 8 Miles, posted by zenhussy on December 20, 2003, at 4:41:53
>
> > Who will come take care of everything I've let fall to sh*t because of my depression?
>
> Please don't use language that could offend others, thanks.
>
> Bob
>
>
> Here is how NikkiT2 is treated:
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/2000/20031122/msgs/297278.html I'm sorry about all of that shit..
>
> Here is st@cy's special treatment:
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20031229/msgs/295751.html and if i ever disagree with what
> you do i can beat the shit out of you and not get into trouble
>
> And fluffy too gets a pass:
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20031231/msgs/296349.html I've been pretty shitty myself. I was laying
> on the couch crying,
>***Well, I really understand your concern regarding consistency. But, do you feel it is absolutely necessary to point certain posters out who have "gotten away" with things that you haven't? I know that I personally have gotten called out for language and will be watching what I say in the future, but don't you run the risk of making others feel accused by actually pointing out the posters who have slipped through and those who haven't? I too would appreciate consistency, I just feel there would be a better way to prove a point without involving people who may feel accused in some way. It just seems that the point you are making sugggests that Dr. Bob is allowing some posters to have special treatment and warning or blocking others. Is that the point you're trying to make?
I disagree. I just think it happens sometimes that he misses things. That's my honest opinion.Personally, I was warned for calling my Pdoc a dumba**. I don't mind it a bit. And I do see worse language on here. But, I honestly don't see the point in making a big deal out of it. I have gotten away with worse in the past. I do see a need for consistency. But, I understand that sometimes Dr. Bob misses things. He is human. That happens. Just my personal opinion. Sorry, you asked :) (No hard feelings I hope)
Posted by Dinah on January 8, 2004, at 11:12:07
In reply to Re: Dr bob is a pedophile, posted by Jai Narayan on January 8, 2004, at 11:04:56
Posted by gabbix2 on January 8, 2004, at 11:21:28
In reply to I agree with you » Jai Narayan, posted by judy1 on January 8, 2004, at 10:46:47
I agree that it hurts people when people are cavalier about a subject that has harmed so many,
I just don't believe that a character assessment can be made by it. You said that what St. James did was "Just plain wrong."I think there is also much potential to hurt when when unfounded statements are made about medications destroying people's brains.
I don't think what Larry said regarding these statements was as strongly worded as
"It's just plain wrong" yet you agree that Larry should be blocked. This seems like a contradiction to me.
Posted by judy1 on January 8, 2004, at 11:40:27
In reply to Re: It's just plain wrong » judy1, posted by gabbix2 on January 8, 2004, at 11:21:28
gabbi,
hopefully I wasn't misunderstood in my post regarding James, he has been posting here for many years and has been a great help in the past. I regarded his action of his post to Dr.Bob as wrong, and did not address his character.
as far as Larry's block, quite honestly I don't know the circumstances that led to it (since I don't read that board), I was making a general statement regarding posters (that I considered wonderful assets) being blocked in the past and Larry just the latest. I honestly wasn't debating whether he deserved it or not, simply that *in general* I agree with Dr. Bob's blocks and feel they have helped keep the boards under control.
and with that I'm removing myself here, I don't do well with these kind of threads.
take care, judy
Posted by gabbix2 on January 8, 2004, at 12:08:03
In reply to last post on this thread » gabbix2, posted by judy1 on January 8, 2004, at 11:40:27
Thanks judy, It was a misunderstanding,
I didn't think you had addressed his character
I was in full agreement with how you worded
what you said "its hurtful when people are so cavalier about a subject that has harmed so many"
And I wanted to make sure you knew that.I had mistakenly thought you were in agreement
with what I had seen as a character asessment.
Thanks for taking the time to clear that up I appreciate it.I'm outta here too
take care
G.
Posted by jane d on January 8, 2004, at 14:22:11
In reply to last post on this thread » gabbix2, posted by judy1 on January 8, 2004, at 11:40:27
Thank you. It was nice to see the things I wanted to say presented so much more clearly than I could have done.
Posted by stjames on January 8, 2004, at 23:11:04
In reply to Re: please be civil » Dr. Bob, posted by Dinah on January 8, 2004, at 9:14:53
> Wow, Dr. Bob. If I had a bunch of PBC's on my record, and made that statement, I'd pretty much expect a block. I kind of think I'd get one too....
>Yep, some of us get "special" treatment.
I feel I have gotten special treatment for some time. So I selected my subject with care, to prove
my point. If you did not like it, why are not you asking why I was not blocked ?
Posted by gabbix2 on January 8, 2004, at 23:34:16
In reply to Re: please be civil, posted by stjames on January 8, 2004, at 23:11:04
I'm speechless..you're the best!
Posted by SLS on January 8, 2004, at 23:52:37
In reply to Re: please be civil, posted by stjames on January 8, 2004, at 23:11:04
> I feel I have gotten special treatment for some time. So I selected my subject with care, to prove my point.
That was a hell of a selection.
- Scott
Posted by stjames on January 8, 2004, at 23:58:59
In reply to Re: please be civil, posted by SLS on January 8, 2004, at 23:52:37
> > I feel I have gotten special treatment for some time. So I selected my subject with care, to prove my point.
>
> That was a hell of a selection.Yep, a selection the begs a greater question.
Posted by Karen_kay on January 9, 2004, at 0:07:14
In reply to Re: please be civil, posted by SLS on January 8, 2004, at 23:52:37
Then again, if Dr. Bob were to block St James for the post, he may have numerous posters accuse him of blocking St James due to the nature of the post. This only leaves the good doctor in the position of defending himself and his actions. It is a no win situation, correct?
Posted by stjames on January 9, 2004, at 0:16:36
In reply to Re: please be civil » SLS, posted by Karen_kay on January 9, 2004, at 0:07:14
St James for the post, he may have numerous posters accuse him of blocking St James due to the nature of the post
What posters would do that ?
Note to self....go bigger next time
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