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Posted by zenn4 on November 13, 2003, at 12:46:23
In reply to Re: Kristen, posted by kid47 on November 13, 2003, at 11:56:26
I have been reading this board for 2 years now, off and on and finally decided to get involved. This past Monday there were 2 suicides close to home. Unfortunately, some people might fake a suicide to get a reaction out of others. I do not know if this is the case or not, but suicide is a serious thing and my personal feelings on someone faking a suicide is that they should perhaps, be blocked. In essence, this board appears to me to give help and support in a controlled forum to those who seek it.
Posted by NikkiT2 on November 13, 2003, at 14:49:12
In reply to Re: Kristen, posted by kid47 on November 13, 2003, at 11:56:26
I was wondering exactly the same.
Why has Kristen not posted anywhere since this was posted.
It may be a coincedence.
But it may not also.
Nikki
Posted by shar on November 13, 2003, at 16:14:35
In reply to Kristen, posted by P on November 12, 2003, at 3:24:19
This is what it's like to be a member of a forum for people with mood disorders and how vulnerable we make ourselves.
We get burned.
It may not have been Kristen's mom, probably not, imo. Or maybe it was. We don't know. We just all experience our own reactions to the news. If it's not true, we get burned.
Waxing poetic for a moment, I understand how someone might want and need attention to post such a message anonymously. It stirs things up, it creates waves and ripples. And the thing is, it doesn't matter to the creator whether those waves and ripples hurt. What matters is the attention the creator gets.
I had high hopes for gal/Kristen. Maybe she did this maybe not, maybe she is no longer with us. It is P who wants, needs, craves, longs for attentions--in any form--which is almost as sad as losing one of our own.
P puts me in mind of the kid who kicks down the sand castle. Or pushes around the geeks in school. The point is not to make friends, but to get attention--any kind of attention--and the psyche that needs that is very sad indeed.
Shar
Posted by stjames on November 13, 2003, at 16:29:24
In reply to Burn, baby, burn » P, posted by shar on November 13, 2003, at 16:14:35
And the thing is, it doesn't matter to the creator whether those waves and ripples hurt. What matters is the attention the creator gets.
>Which is what we all are doing (even me) by keeping this thread going.
Posted by Liligoth on November 13, 2003, at 17:38:25
In reply to Re: Burn, baby, burn, posted by stjames on November 13, 2003, at 16:29:24
> And the thing is, it doesn't matter to the creator whether those waves and ripples hurt. What matters is the attention the creator gets.
> >
>
> Which is what we all are doing (even me) by keeping this thread going.
true & wise words from both of you.
Posted by Elle2021 on November 14, 2003, at 0:37:50
In reply to Re: Kristen, posted by kid47 on November 13, 2003, at 11:56:26
> If this is a hoax, and Kristen had nothing to do with it, why hasn't she spoken up?
Thats a really good point. I thought about that before I posted but at the time didn't think she would fake suicide again. I SHOULD make a note however, that it still might not be her. BUT, if it isn't then the next question is, why isn't she speaking up and denying this? She is pretty regular on these boards, posting almost daily. So why the break now? Does anyone know what Krissy has? Is she Borderline. I am, and I know that it is typical Borderline behavior to repeatedly threaten and attempt suicide (parasuicide).
Elle
Posted by lil' jimi on November 14, 2003, at 12:36:11
In reply to Re: Kristen, posted by slinky on November 12, 2003, at 14:24:48
dear slinky
>> ... I also am going through a loss .My pet spider (sadly I have few friends) jumped into my pot of oil paint -I think it couldn't take it anymore..but it will be embalmed forever amongst the colors. ... >>
... it is all just too much how life continually compounds one calamity onto another for us ... ...
.... i feel deeply for the loss of your spider ... things lately have just set me up emotionally for it and i am taking it very hard ... ... i am sure that spider meant so much to all of us ... not just me and tabby ... ... we are all part of this vast net ... or web ...
and drowning is _so_ sad ... you don't think it was an accident? ... we believe spider jumped?
and so young .... so quickly ... we hardly even knew him or her!
... ... now he or she in that big iridescent, dew-bejeweled web in the sky ... all the flies you can eat ... where all the paint pots are covered ... ...
... try not to take it too hard ...
... we are hear if you need us ...my condolences,
~ jim
Posted by lil' jimi on November 14, 2003, at 13:20:03
In reply to re: your pet spider » slinky, posted by lil' jimi on November 14, 2003, at 12:36:11
dear slinky,
you have written:
> >> ... I also am going through a loss .My pet spider (sadly I have few friends) jumped into my pot of oil paint -I think it couldn't take it anymore..but it will be embalmed forever amongst the colors. ... >>
>then i wrote:
> ... it is all just too much how life continually compounds one calamity onto another for us ... ... >... ... a friend of ours who must remain unmentioned here shares in your family tragedy ... ... you, in your hour(s) of darkness, have many friends here ... and some who can't be here now, but have a special place for you in their (our) hearts ... ...
... which reminds me ... seems like it was only yesterday ....
...(but to me this morning seems like it was only yesterday) ... ...... oh, yeah, i remember!
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20020924/msgs/30813.html
again my deep sympathies,
~ jimand
> my condolences,
> ~ jim
Posted by slinky on November 15, 2003, at 19:43:47
In reply to re: your pet spider » slinky, posted by lil' jimi on November 14, 2003, at 12:36:11
Thanks for your kindness..and Gx2.
I've bought myself a purple rabbit- it's phallic shaped and eats batteries.
Posted by Dr. Bob on November 16, 2003, at 9:56:45
In reply to Burn, baby, burn » P, posted by shar on November 13, 2003, at 16:14:35
> Hey, Bob. I hope you're noting the effect of "crying wolf".
>
> Larry HooverSorry, but do you know that this is in fact an example of crying wolf?
> It is P who wants, needs, craves, longs for attentions--in any form--which is almost as sad as losing one of our own.
>
> P puts me in mind of the kid who kicks down the sand castle. Or pushes around the geeks in school. The point is not to make friends, but to get attention--any kind of attention--and the psyche that needs that is very sad indeed.
>
> sharPlease don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down. Thanks.
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on November 16, 2003, at 10:00:32
In reply to Kristen, posted by P on November 12, 2003, at 3:24:19
> Kristen cimmitted suicide at 8pm PST.
> She left a note, and communicated with her doctors 2 hours earlier, and said that she couldn't take no more.People here understandably would like independent verification of this. Could you email me with the names and telephone numbers of her doctors?
Thanks, and my condolences,
Bob
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 16, 2003, at 12:24:15
In reply to Re: please be civil » Larry Hoover » shar, posted by Dr. Bob on November 16, 2003, at 9:56:45
> > Hey, Bob. I hope you're noting the effect of "crying wolf".
> >
> > Larry Hoover
>
> Sorry, but do you know that this is in fact an example of crying wolf?I meant the confirmed incident, last spring. I remain very concerned about the current situation, notwithstanding.
Lar
Posted by Dr. Bob on November 16, 2003, at 12:53:42
In reply to Re: please be civil » Dr. Bob, posted by Larry Hoover on November 16, 2003, at 12:24:15
> > > I hope you're noting the effect of "crying wolf".
>
> I meant the confirmed incident, last spring.What do you see as the effect of that incident? The general effect of crying wolf is no mystery...
Bob
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 16, 2003, at 14:57:48
In reply to Re: the effect of crying wolf, posted by Dr. Bob on November 16, 2003, at 12:53:42
> What do you see as the effect of that incident? The general effect of crying wolf is no mystery...
>
> BobAs I said in my original statement in this regard, the suicidal crying wolf is a greater incivility, by orders of magnitude, than anything I've yet seen here....the effect of that event is still so fresh, and compounded now, yet again, that people are expressing concepts like "babble will never be calm again".
You've made clear how you wish to manage things. I shan't belabour you with my expectations anew. There just is no comparison between someone saying a**, as in "I kicked a**", a euphemism for C***** sake, and this crying wolf. Yet both get treated so similarly....I just wanted to emphasize the difference. The real difference, that people express by heart felt comments like the ones I've made, and others have expressed. There should be a special category, IMHO, life-long blocks. No excuses. No arguments. We put people in jail for life, and they stay there, even if they find God, or express remorse.
Certainly, reductions in blocks, under those circumstances, baffles me beyond belief.
Most sincerely,
Lar
Posted by mair on November 16, 2003, at 17:22:49
In reply to Re: the effect of crying wolf » Dr. Bob, posted by Larry Hoover on November 16, 2003, at 14:57:48
I haven't been around as much lately so I can't speak to what Larry is saying about reduced blocks. I do want to note that in this medium, there are at least 3 effects of crying wolf. One is the traditional "no one believes the poster the next time." Another is that such behavior may invite copycats, and the third is that any crackpot who knows what happened before with Kristen can now post as someone claiming to have current information about her. Check out people's reaction's to P's post. It's been suggested that it's genuine; that it's Kristen up to her old tricks, or that it's someone who doesn't know Kristen at all but who is, in rather predatory fashion, trying to stir things up. If Kristen had never cried wolf, we'd probably, most of us, assume this message to be genuine. As it stands now, people are all over the place in terms of how they've reacted. Having once acted with so much disregard for the sensibilities of the people on the Board, whatever happens with Kristen is always going to be viewed suspiciously.
Mair
Mair
Posted by shar on November 16, 2003, at 22:19:22
In reply to Re: the effect of crying wolf, posted by Dr. Bob on November 16, 2003, at 12:53:42
> What do you see as the effect of that incident? The general effect of crying wolf is no mystery...
>
> BobWhat do you see, Bob, as the general effect of crying wolf? In what I wrote, and got a PBC for, I was attempting to express what I see as the reason for crying wolf. I wanted to mention the effect of doing it, plus the outcomes, plus the psyche or psychological reasons someone might do it. Some of my examples may not have been flattering, but I do think they were pretty accurate. Plus, I added a dash of empathy, that I really do feel toward someone who needs/chooses to do that.
Plus, a dash of empathy for the folks here who worry and hurt because people cry wolf.
Tho' I won't speak my mind again on the topic, I thought it was rather balanced, as an overall analysis and opinion.
Shar
Posted by Dr. Bob on November 17, 2003, at 2:42:21
In reply to Re: the effect of crying wolfbob, posted by shar on November 16, 2003, at 22:19:22
> > What do you see as the effect of that incident? The general effect of crying wolf is no mystery...
>
> I just wanted to emphasize the difference.
>
> LarYes, I agree, there's a difference between crying suicide and swearing.
> in this medium, there are at least 3 effects of crying wolf. One is the traditional "no one believes the poster the next time." Another is that such behavior may invite copycats, and the third is that any crackpot who knows what happened before with Kristen can now post as someone claiming to have current information about her. Check out people's reaction's to P's post. It's been suggested that it's genuine; that it's Kristen up to her old tricks, or that it's someone who doesn't know Kristen at all but who is, in rather predatory fashion, trying to stir things up. If Kristen had never cried wolf, we'd probably, most of us, assume this message to be genuine. As it stands now, people are all over the place in terms of how they've reacted.
>
> MairI agree, but wouldn't the situation be at least similar if it had been someone else who'd cried wolf before? Since once someone shows that it's possible, it'll always be a possibility?
But then again, it was possible even before the first person actually did it. There were different initial reactions to the news about sar, too...
> We get burned.
>
> SharYes, that's certainly also an effect.
Bob
Posted by slinky on November 17, 2003, at 19:54:51
In reply to Re: the effect of crying wolf, posted by Dr. Bob on November 17, 2003, at 2:42:21
There were different initial reactions to the news about sar, too...This made me cry .
In my mad-paranoid state of mind..i think she's alive..the dreamer say's so.
I trust nothing.
Is everying is a game.?.if you are enlightened to it there are so many symbols and signs to guide you.
I had a few minutes of serenity today in the bath..kind of like eureka:-)
Posted by Phil on November 18, 2003, at 15:19:55
In reply to Re: the effect of crying wolf, posted by mair on November 16, 2003, at 17:22:49
Kristen posted as her father and now as her mother.
Her 'fathers' post hit me real hard...then I found she was laughing about it on another site.
That's aggressive behavior.
Trust me, that post above isn't from her mother.Kristen, your actions show that you are in need of serious help, what you are doing hurts people.
See your doctor.
Posted by ace on November 18, 2003, at 19:48:43
In reply to Re: the effect of crying wolf, posted by Phil on November 18, 2003, at 15:19:55
>...then I found she was laughing about it on another site.
>Phil- could you please refer me, Dr. Bob and other Babblers to that website please?
Thanks,
Ace.
Posted by NikkiT2 on November 18, 2003, at 20:19:14
In reply to Re: the effect of crying wolf » Phil, posted by ace on November 18, 2003, at 19:48:43
The other website doesn't exist anymore..
But there are plenty still here that can back Phil's story up. I'm one of them
Nikki
Posted by shar on November 18, 2003, at 20:19:37
In reply to Re: the effect of crying wolf » Phil, posted by ace on November 18, 2003, at 19:48:43
I believe that website no longer exists, although the originator of it does.
Shar
Posted by ace on November 18, 2003, at 20:24:20
In reply to Re: the effect of crying wolf ?ace, posted by shar on November 18, 2003, at 20:19:37
So what was it? Another mental health forum? And she actually was on it, having a laugh about posting a fake suicide?
If this is true, what is the reason?
I mean, people on this site have enough problems with suicidal ideation, reminders of suicide, friends who have committed suicide etc.
Surely this person can realise that they are hurting people?
Posted by NikkiT2 on November 19, 2003, at 13:58:32
In reply to Attn: Nikki and Shar, posted by ace on November 18, 2003, at 20:24:20
It was a simple forum set up by a user here, when there were problems with Dr Bobs rulings. A number of us here used it.
Sorry, I'm unable to respond to the rest of your query without breaking in-civility rules.
Apologies.
Nikki
Posted by shar on November 21, 2003, at 22:19:18
In reply to Attn: Nikki and Shar, posted by ace on November 18, 2003, at 20:24:20
Yes.....well one would think your reasoning is correct.
Shar
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