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Posted by Jumpy on February 26, 2003, at 0:27:18
Dear Dr Bob,
Is downloading music from the internet illegal? As far as I know, file sharing has not been outlawed. Therefore, I am not sure why wcfrench was blocked. Could you explain why. Thank you.
Sincerely,
Jumpy
PS I understand the post probably should have been redirected to the Social Board as we stopped speaking about medication issues.
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 26, 2003, at 7:48:15
[Posted by stjames on February 25, 2003, at 18:41:45]
> > > In lieu of Dr. Bob's illegal activity post, we shouldn't share music! :) Not to poke fun, but it seems silly given the ease of being able to download xxx and get whatever song you want in a matter of minutes.
>
> Silly ? You are breaking the law. That is not silly.
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 26, 2003, at 8:12:23
In reply to Illegal Activity?????????, posted by Jumpy on February 26, 2003, at 0:27:18
> Is downloading music from the internet illegal? As far as I know, file sharing has not been outlawed. Therefore, I am not sure why wcfrench was blocked. Could you explain why. Thank you.
I was afraid that sharing those files would violate copyrights.
Bob
Posted by stjames on February 26, 2003, at 10:55:16
In reply to Re: blocked for week « stjames, posted by Dr. Bob on February 26, 2003, at 7:48:15
> [Posted by stjames on February 25, 2003, at 18:41:45]
>
> > > > In lieu of Dr. Bob's illegal activity post, we shouldn't share music! :) Not to poke fun, but it seems silly given the ease of being able to download xxx and get whatever song you want in a matter of minutes.
> >
> > Silly ? You are breaking the law. That is not silly.Dr Bob, what was I blocked for a week for this ?
I did not call it silly, she did.
Posted by Phil on February 26, 2003, at 10:55:45
In reply to Re: Illegal Activity, posted by Dr. Bob on February 26, 2003, at 8:12:23
I wasn't aware that downloading was illegal. I know record companies don't like it but new burner programs are hitting the market daily.
Is it copyright infringement to copy a new CD or record a TV program?
I think record companies are getting their due for ripping off artist and consumers for years. But, that's another story.
Posted by Dinah on February 26, 2003, at 11:04:06
In reply to Re: blocked for week « stjames WHY ?, posted by stjames on February 26, 2003, at 10:55:16
st james,
you obviously weren't blocked or your post wouldn't have shown up. Dr. bob must have not changed the title of your post when he moved it to admin.
Posted by Jumpy on February 26, 2003, at 11:22:50
In reply to Re: Illegal Activity, posted by Dr. Bob on February 26, 2003, at 8:12:23
> > Is downloading music from the internet illegal? As far as I know, file sharing has not been outlawed. Therefore, I am not sure why wcfrench was blocked. Could you explain why. Thank you.
>
> I was afraid that sharing those files would violate copyrights.
>
> BobDr Bob,
I believe that only if you sell and profit from a copied file is it considered illegal. Otherwise everytime we taped a song on the radio or a television show on television we would be breaking the law. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Thanks
Jumpy
Posted by stjames on February 26, 2003, at 11:50:35
In reply to Re: Illegal Activity, posted by Phil on February 26, 2003, at 10:55:45
You are violating copyright. You many make a copy for personal use IF you actually bought a real copy. You are also violating DMCA.
Really, folks, this is illegal and you will get busted.
Posted by stjames on February 26, 2003, at 11:56:08
In reply to Illegal Activity ... Only if you sell it » Dr. Bob, posted by Jumpy on February 26, 2003, at 11:22:50
> Dr Bob,
>
> I believe that only if you sell and profit from a copied file is it considered illegal. Otherwise everytime we taped a song on the radio or a television show on television we would be breaking the law. Please correct me if I am wrong.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jumpy
You are wrong. Radio stations pay royalties to RIAA http://www.riaa.org http://www.DMCA.org
Posted by stjames on February 26, 2003, at 14:23:19
In reply to Re: blocked for week « stjames, posted by Dr. Bob on February 26, 2003, at 7:48:15
http://news.com.com/2100-1028-986143.html
Congress targets P2P piracy on campus
By Declan McCullagh
February 26, 2003, 11:01 AM PTKey politicians chided universities on Wednesday for not doing enough
to limit peer-to-peer piracy, calling unauthorized copying a federal
crime that should be punished appropriately.Members of the House of Representatives subcommittee that oversees
copyright law said at a hearing that peer-to-peer piracy was a crime
under a 1997 federal law, but universities continued to treat
file-swapping as a minor infraction of campus disciplinary codes."If on your campus you had an assault and battery or a murder, you'd
go down to the district attorney's office and deal with it that way,"
said Rep. William Jenkins, R-Tenn.[...]
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Posted by Jumpy on February 26, 2003, at 17:19:36
In reply to Congress targets P2P piracy on campus, posted by stjames on February 26, 2003, at 14:23:19
Hey St. James,
So each time I record a television show or a song off the radio I am breaking the law? Are they going to outlaw vcrs and radios with recording features? Thanks.
Jumpy
Posted by beardedlady on February 26, 2003, at 17:31:44
In reply to Re: Congress targets P2P piracy on campus » stjames, posted by Jumpy on February 26, 2003, at 17:19:36
> So each time I record a television show or a song off the radio I am breaking the law? Are they going to outlaw vcrs and radios with recording features? Thanks.
No.
You're not supposed to copy something you don't own and share it with others. You are, indeed, allowed to copy a show that you didn't get to watch so you can see it later. That's one reason VCRs have recording features.
You can lend a friend a book, CD, or movie, but he's not supposed to make a copy of it.
Teachers are not supposed to make more than a certain number of copies of literary works of various lengths without first contacting the publisher.
You're not supposed to give someone else software to install into another computer. In fact, Jumpy, you're not even allowed to install your own paid-for software into two computers!
Do people do all these things? All the time. Is the FBI going to hunt down the guy making a tape for his girlfriend instead of the terrorist? No.
But Dr. Bob doesn't want these laws broken here, 'kay?
beardy : )>
Posted by stjames on February 26, 2003, at 17:52:06
In reply to Re: Congress targets P2P piracy on campus » stjames, posted by Jumpy on February 26, 2003, at 17:19:36
> Hey St. James,
>
> So each time I record a television show or a song off the radio I am breaking the law? Are they going to outlaw vcrs and radios with recording features? Thanks.
>
> JumpyYes & no. Copyright protects your right to earn money off your works. The radio station pays the RIAA
to play the songs but if you record a song this might cause one not to buy the song.This is why "Album hours" on radio went away.
People were recording whole albums and not buying them.TV and movies are different. TV is not for sale
but movies are (or you pay a ticket price) Unless
you are selling copies of MASH, making a copy cause you did not see it is OK. A movie is different, if you by a movie and make a copy for
personal use, that is OK. Passing this movie out to others is illegal.This is the general idea BUT, the copyright statement on each work does speel this out, and you should read it, rather than assume. If it says
"All rights refused" you have no right to copy.
Posted by stjames on February 26, 2003, at 18:01:16
In reply to Re: Congress targets P2P piracy on campus » Jumpy, posted by beardedlady on February 26, 2003, at 17:31:44
> Do people do all these things? All the time. Is the FBI going to hunt down the guy making a tape for his girlfriend instead of the terrorist? No.
I would be careful here. You seem to not be aware
of the DCMA. The RIAA and DCMA ARE watching and reporting to ISP's those people who share P2P works.
Posted by beardedlady on February 26, 2003, at 18:35:07
In reply to Re: Congress targets P2P piracy on campus, posted by stjames on February 26, 2003, at 18:01:16
> > Do people do all these things? All the time. Is the FBI going to hunt down the guy making a tape for his girlfriend instead of the terrorist? No.
> >Beardy> I would be careful here. You seem to not be aware
> of the DCMA. The RIAA and DCMA ARE watching and reporting to ISP's those people who share P2P works.
>St. James
Posted by Jumpy on February 26, 2003, at 19:21:23
In reply to Re: Congress targets P2P piracy on campus, posted by stjames on February 26, 2003, at 17:52:06
Okay, thanks for the info and clearification.
Jumpy
Posted by stjames on February 27, 2003, at 10:39:09
In reply to Okay, you be careful, then. » stjames, posted by beardedlady on February 26, 2003, at 18:35:07
I will. However, I am the on who deals with DMCA abuse repoorts at the ISP I work at. With the DMCA
moving against an ISP to make they turn over a user real name, I suspect this is only the beginning.
Posted by Phil on February 27, 2003, at 13:10:20
In reply to I just worry about the users, posted by stjames on February 27, 2003, at 10:39:09
Personally, I think the government should have bigger fish to fry than this. The record companies got beat to the punch; someone got in their back pockets for a change. They don't like that very much. If I were signed to a label without pitbull representation, they would rake me over the coals as Sony has done to the Dixie Chicks, Mariah Carey, and more artists everyday.
Let's wait to see how much the artists gain from this versus the big boys.
I'll play by the rules but record labels are just getting their comeuppance.
If these guys didn't double to triple their prices when converting to CD's and then never dropped those prices despite low production cost, well...what do they expect people to do? I can't afford CD's and very rarely buy one.
Bands make their money from touring; record sales don't pay the bills but the artists should get their due. I know this is about copyright but if there would be no market for burners if they would charge reasonable prices, 6.99 to 7.99, for CD's, they wouldn't have a problem.
Then again, I'm a dreamer.
Posted by stjames on February 27, 2003, at 13:23:36
In reply to Re: I just worry about the users » stjames, posted by Phil on February 27, 2003, at 13:10:20
> Personally, I think the government should have bigger fish to fry than this. The record companies got beat to the punch; someone got in their back pockets for a change.
Honestly, is anyone reading anything these days ?
Phil, it is NOT the government, it is dmca.org and riaa.org that are going after the users.Everyones total lack of knowlage on these issues is typical.
Posted by stjames on February 27, 2003, at 13:24:47
In reply to Re: I just worry about the users » stjames, posted by Phil on February 27, 2003, at 13:10:20
WHY do you think it is the government ?
Ask yourself WHO owns to copyright.
Posted by beardedlady on February 27, 2003, at 14:11:19
In reply to Re: I just worry about the users, posted by stjames on February 27, 2003, at 13:23:36
Maybe you could try a different tack. Maybe, instead of posting all these acronyms as if they were common household names, you could explain what you are talking about.
Clearly this is your issue. It is not mine. It is not Phil's. It isn't Jumpy's. And just as I don't expect you to know the definition of omphaloskepsis or zarf, you shouldn't expect me to know the finer points of digital copyright infringement.
You ask:
> Honestly, is anyone reading anything these days ?FYI, I read one novel a week. I also read much of New Yorker each week and much of National Geographic, Harpers, and The Progressive each month. I also read piles and piles of student papers and manuscripts.
In addition, I own a writing and design business, teach a graduate publishing course and an undergraduate writing course twice a week, raise a child, take care of pets, do my community newsletter, make mosaics for myself and customers, and involve myself in neighborhood and school associations and groups, all the while trying to maintain a social life.
That fact that I (and many others) are not up on digital copyright laws doesn't mean we don't read, that we're not smart, that we're not paying attention. It doesn't even mean that we don't care (though I have to say I don't).
"Everyones [sic] total lack of knowlage [sic] on these issues is typical."
Typical of what?
Maybe you ought to rephrase the whole thing. Although I don't get offended easily or by much, I don't think it's fair of you to assume or imply what you have here.
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 27, 2003, at 14:18:29
In reply to Re: I just worry about the users, posted by stjames on February 27, 2003, at 13:23:36
> Everyones total lack of knowlage on these issues is typical.
Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
> it is NOT the government, it is dmca.org and riaa.org that are going after the users.
And please also redirect discussion of general copyright issues to Psycho-Social-Babble, thanks.
Bob
Posted by jay on March 1, 2003, at 0:54:27
In reply to Re: Illegal Activity ... Only if you sell it, posted by stjames on February 26, 2003, at 11:56:08
> > Dr Bob,
> >
> > I believe that only if you sell and profit from a copied file is it considered illegal. Otherwise everytime we taped a song on the radio or a television show on television we would be breaking the law. Please correct me if I am wrong.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Jumpy
>
>
> You are wrong. Radio stations pay royalties to RIAA http://www.riaa.org http://www.DMCA.org
>Yes, but the is **far** from meaning every song around can't be downloaded. There are many artists who allow and promote the downloading of their music. The information can be found in the MP3 or even WMA file information itself, and/or by visting the artist's website.
Jay
Posted by stjames on March 4, 2003, at 1:52:09
In reply to Re: Illegal Activity ... » stjames, posted by jay on March 1, 2003, at 0:54:27
> Yes, but the is **far** from meaning every song around can't be downloaded. There are many artists who allow and promote the downloading of their music. The information can be found in the MP3 or even WMA file information itself, and/or by visting the artist's website.
>
> JayCorrect.
Posted by Rach on March 4, 2003, at 22:18:25
In reply to Re: Illegal Activity, posted by Phil on February 26, 2003, at 10:55:45
>I think record companies are getting their due for ripping off artist and consumers for years. But, that's another story.
Unfortunately, though, the record companies are not absorbing the loss of those profits. They are simply less likely to take a chance on a new, unsigned artist.Previously, a portion of the profits made by big artists for the record company has been spent towards establishing new artists. Rather than cutting back on their profits, the record companies have cut back the new talent they take on, making a difficult industry almost impossible to succeed in.
That's what makes me SO angry when it's artists themselves doing it. I have a lot of friends wanting to make their own music (or films) who whine about how hard it is to be given a break whilst burning the newest CD on their computers. I can't stand how hypocritical it is.
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