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Posted by Dr. Bob on January 4, 2003, at 16:07:45
[Posted by johnj on January 3, 2003, at 23:52:54
In reply to http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20021230/msgs/134398.html]
> Dr. Bob,
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> "Perhaps you havent had the time or the interest to read any of my past postings."
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> I don't think that was a civil response. It felt more sarcastic to me. Do I expect someone to do a "message post" background check on me before they post a response to me?
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> Also, when a person states "their patients" it makes one think they are a doctor or therapist since they admitted they were giving advice. That is why I inferred they had not experienced an illness and why I went on to explain what it felt like to me. Does that not seem like a mis-representation on a board such as this to refer to one as having patients? This was misleading to me.
> I think people should be civil and not misleading. Am I missing something here? I think I am not the only one that should have been told to be civil. Sarcasm can cut just as deep
Posted by johnj on January 4, 2003, at 19:39:29
In reply to Re: please be civil « johnj, posted by Dr. Bob on January 4, 2003, at 16:07:45
Dr. Bob,
Here is a repost of my questions to you regarding the warning to me to be civil. I added a few things too.
Dr. Bob,
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> "Perhaps you havent had the time or the interest to read any of my past postings."> I don't think that was a civil response. It felt more sarcastic to me. I did go back and read some of her posts and it appears she has had problems before(see the Alan thread above). Should I expect someone to do a "message post" background check on me before they post a response to me?
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> Also, when a person states "their patients" it makes one think they are a doctor or therapist since they admitted they were giving advice. That is why I inferred they had not experienced an illness and why I went on to explain what it felt like to me. Does that not seem like a mis-representation on a board such as this to refer to one as having patients? This was misleading to me. Would you tolerate a nurse on your staff giving benzo advice to your patients? Do you know how confused many of us would be if that happened when we had an panic attack, etc,? Put yourself in the patients shoes just for a moment. If I disagree how do I state it civily? Is it civil to state "I am sorry but they are your doctors patients"??I think people should be civil and not misleading. Am I missing something here? I think I am not the only one that should have been told to be civil. Sarcasm can cut just as deep, no matter how sly one is with their wording. Sorry I am just more straight forward. Thanks for listening.
johnj
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 5, 2003, at 1:37:37
In reply to Re: please be civil « johnj » Dr. Bob, posted by johnj on January 4, 2003, at 19:39:29
> > "Perhaps you havent had the time or the interest to read any of my past postings."
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> Should I expect someone to do a "message post" background check on me before they post a response to me?Some people might, but no, you shouldn't expect it. But she didn't say you should've done one on her, either.
> Also, when a person states "their patients" it makes one think they are a doctor or therapist since they admitted they were giving advice. That is why I inferred they had not experienced an illness
Doctors and therapists experience illnesses, too.
> Would you tolerate a nurse on your staff giving benzo advice to your patients? Do you know how confused many of us would be if that happened when we had an panic attack, etc,? Put yourself in the patients shoes just for a moment. If I disagree how do I state it civily? Is it civil to state "I am sorry but they are your doctors patients"??
That would be civil, but FYI, some nurses are authorized not only to give advice about medications, but to prescribe them...
Bob
Posted by johnj on January 5, 2003, at 16:23:36
In reply to Re: background checks and nurses, posted by Dr. Bob on January 5, 2003, at 1:37:37
Thanks Dr. Bob
Nurses dispensing advice and medications? That is a shocker for me. I have not even had a nurse in the room when I am with my pdoc(10 yrs+). Where I am from in the States, when a call is made, the nurses will only advise you on over the counter meds, and sometimes they won't even go that far for fear of liability, but that is a whole new subject.
"Perhaps you havent had the time or the interest to read any of my past postings." I took this as: I should have read her previous postings before responding.
Thanks
Posted by wendy b. on January 5, 2003, at 20:13:04
In reply to Re: background checks and nurses » Dr. Bob, posted by johnj on January 5, 2003, at 16:23:36
> Thanks Dr. Bob
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> Nurses dispensing advice and medications? That is a shocker for me. I have not even had a nurse in the room when I am with my pdoc(10 yrs+). Where I am from in the States, when a call is made, the nurses will only advise you on over the counter meds, and sometimes they won't even go that far for fear of liability, but that is a whole new subject.JohnJ:
On the subject of nurses: maybe you haven't kept up with the nursing profession, but licensed Nurse Practitioners (NPs) can write prescriptions, and have been doing so for many, many years. Most general practitioners or family medicine-type offices have not only doctors, physician assistants, and practical nurses, but also nurse practitioners.
In busy medical offices, they are a godsend, because you don't have to wait to see an MD for your upper-respiratory infection, your boil, your herpes, your pap smear, your urinary tract infection, your birth-control pills, etc. The NPs can diagnose and treat these, and they are generally VERY good at their jobs - at least the ones I see regularly. This office is made up of about 5 doctors, all great clinicians, 4 or 5 NPs, and quite a few LPNs.
I like seeing the NPs for problems of a female nature, since at this practice, they're all women, and for some things, it's just more comfortable for me. I believe many other women feel this way. They other part is that they're just plain nice, and I bet if a study were done, they'd find NPs spend more time with patients than doctors do (maybe because their time is valued less on the open market than MDs' ?).
Also, my pdoc and therapist used to be a "one-stop-shopping" affair, since my therapist was a nurse practitioner specializing in psychiatry.
I doubt if there is any more liability insurance problem for them than there is with any other licensed professional.
Anyway, welcome to the wave of the future, it's already here!
best,
Wendy
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