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Posted by Lou Pilder on December 27, 2002, at 9:48:04
Dr. Bob,
One of your ratonals for saying that you will block me if I was to post [The Rider said to me, "I am your God and you shall have no other Gods before me"] is that [...try to do what is best for the community as a whole.]
Are you saying that it is best for this community as a whole to punish me by blocking me if I post the post in question? If so, then by punishing me for writing my expriance in faith, which is from the Jewish perspective, would you not be creating a hostile atmosphere here toward Jewish people by saying that Jewdaism , in relation to having a commmandment by their God to not have any other Gods before them,is [not best for the community]? I feel awfully defamed by you for threatening me with blocking me if I post the post in question. I am not ashamed for being a Jew, and your intimidation of me to block me for relating my experiance in faith, when christiandom people are allowed to write their experiance in their faith without being blocked for it,[for a christiandom poster here wrote that they believe in one God and should not have other Gods before them and you made no block to him/her.]
I am requesting for you to correct your faith page to take out the [guidlines and exceptions] and rewrite them to allow this forum to be shared by all faiths, even if a faith has a commandment by their God [to them] that they should not have other Gods before them.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 27, 2002, at 17:35:25
In reply to A request to Dr. Bob to rewrite the guidlines PBF, posted by Lou Pilder on December 27, 2002, at 9:48:04
Dr.Bob,
I am posting again the Alhambra Decree that expelled the Jews from Spainish lands in 1492 issued by Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand. I am posting it again because the Decree shows how anti-Semitism , historically, plays out in groups and , perhaps, it could be [educational], in some respects, to this forum.
You see, I came here because I thought that this was what you said it was; a place for support and education for the people seeking mental health concerns.And I thought that the site welcomed evryone to express their faith experiances . But without me being allowed to write that my God commands me that I shall not have other Gods before my God, I can not contribute like the others here that can write that they have 2 Gods, or Jesus as a God, or that their salvation is connected to obeying Jesus. And you wrote that [you were open to feedback]. The following link has contained in it the Edict to expell the Jews from Spainish lands in 1492 and also the answer given to Queen Isabella by Isaac Abrabanel, the representative of the Jews, to her. Could you read the Edict and the response by Isaac Abrabanel? If you could, then, perhps, we could come to modifying your faith board guidlines to allow me to say that my God commands me to not have other Gods before Him.
Lou
http://home.earthlink.net/~bnahman/Alhambra_Decree_Abrabanels_Answer.htm
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 27, 2002, at 18:03:34
In reply to A request to Dr. Bob to rewrite the guidlines PBF, posted by Lou Pilder on December 27, 2002, at 9:48:04
> by punishing me for writing my expriance in faith, which is from the Jewish perspective, would you not be creating a hostile atmosphere here toward Jewish people by saying that Jewdaism , in relation to having a commmandment by their God to not have any other Gods before them,is [not best for the community]?
I'm not saying Jewish perspectives (or people, or commandments) aren't in general good for this community. I do however think it's important not to post something that could lead others to feel put down. "Sorry, but this may mean not posting some aspects of some beliefs."
> a christiandom poster here wrote that they believe in one God and should not have other Gods before them and you made no block to him/her.
Can you give me the URL for that? I'll take another look. Best wishes,
Bob
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 27, 2002, at 20:02:40
In reply to Re: guidlines PBF , posted by Dr. Bob on December 27, 2002, at 18:03:34
Dr. Bob,
uou wrote, [...it is important notto post anything that could lead others to feel put down.]
Are you saying that my proposed post,[The Rider said to me, "I am your God and you shall hav no other Gods before me."] that that post would [put others down]? If so, could you explain how the post does that? If you could, then I will have the opportunity to examine your rational for such and respond accordingly.
Sincerely,
Lou Pilder
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 27, 2002, at 20:44:14
In reply to Re: guidlines PBF , posted by Dr. Bob on December 27, 2002, at 18:03:34
Dr. Bob,
You asked for the URL where a christiandom poster wrote that they believed in [one God and that they should have no other Gods before them.] Although it is not exactly like your [not OK] post in your [guidlines], it is [close] and you said that even though my post is not exactly like your [not OK] post, it was [too close]. If you are going to say that the following is ligitamate under your [guidlines], then could you explaine such? If you could, then I could respond accordingly.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20021001/msgs/1158.html
Best regards,
Lou
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 27, 2002, at 21:28:42
In reply to Re: guidlines PBF -2 » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on December 27, 2002, at 20:44:14
> You asked for the URL where a christiandom poster wrote that they believed in [one God and that they should have no other Gods before them.] Although it is not exactly like your [not OK] post in your [guidlines], it is [close]
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20021001/msgs/1158.html
> > I also believe that I should have no other Gods before me – that there is only one true God.
That is in fact about her belief, and as such I think it's actually closer to one of my examples of OK posts:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20020918/msgs/7889.html
> I feel I should have one God and no others before him.
Bob
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 28, 2002, at 21:56:34
In reply to Re: guidlines PBF, posted by Dr. Bob on December 27, 2002, at 21:28:42
Dr. Bob,
You wrote [...that is in fact about her belief...] Are you saying that when you say,[...sorry, certian things about your faith can not be posted...] that you mean that you can post them if the poster [believes it]? If so, could I post the proposed post of mine because [that is in fact my belef]? If you could clarify this, then I could have a better understanding of why my proposed post would not be OK and the other posters post is OK.
Best wishes,
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 29, 2002, at 11:11:21
In reply to Re: guidlines PBF, posted by Dr. Bob on December 27, 2002, at 21:28:42
Dr. Bob,
You wrote,[...this is in fact about her belief, and as such I think it is actually closer to one of my OK posts.] "I {feel} I should have one God and no others before Him".
I have examined the poster's post in question and find that the reason for her belief is not because of her [feelings] but her belief, as she has stated here, is founded on the bible verses that she has quoted. She quoted Isaiah 43:11 and Malachi 3:6. to give the foundation for her belief about [believing in one God and should not have other Gods before Him.] Then she goes on to write that she, in faith, agrees with me and she writes,"I also believe that I [should have no other Gods before me."]. Are you saying that because a persons faith is founded on their word of God, in this case the poster's bible, that there can be a jump to conclude that the person's faith is based on their {feelings}? If so, could I not also have you make that same jump to conclude that my faith is based on my word of God and thearfore you could also make that same jump to conclude that my post that I have proposed is also OK here? If you do not think so, could you state what the difference in the two are that allows the one post to be OK here and that my post will not be OK here? If you could, it would help me to understand your thinking on this and I would be better able to understand why you will not permit me, without me being expelled from this community, to post my proposed post in question.
Best wishes,
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 29, 2002, at 13:11:46
In reply to Re: guidlines PBF, posted by Dr. Bob on December 27, 2002, at 21:28:42
Dr. Bob,
In regards to whether or not it could be thought by one that the other poster's post in question could be thought that they [{feel} that they should have one God and shall have no others before Him...], it is my understanding that bible-beleiving groups [do not] base their beliefs on feelings, but first on faith and then on facts. The poster did not use the phrase,[{I feel} when she posted the statement, [...I beleive that I [should] have no other Gods before me...]
In one of your conversations with your board deputy, Dinah,about my proposed post, she asks you if it is the "imparitve" in my proposed post that can not be posted, and you answered,[yes]. Then you state that[...not all parts of someone's faith can be posted here...]
Are you saying that the part of my faith that can not be posted by me, could be posted by me if I do what the other poster did after she posted the post in question,ie: [add some satement that says that this is what {I believe}]? If so, let me know and I will post my proposed post and add on after the post, [...I am saying what "I" believe...]. Or, could my proposed post be OK here if I also add, somethiing like, [readers,...what you have just read is what I feel...] If not, could you explain why not , and I will respond according to your rspone to me.
Best wishes,
Lou
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 29, 2002, at 14:46:53
In reply to Lou's rsponse to Dr. Bob's post-2 » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on December 29, 2002, at 11:11:21
> I have examined the poster's post in question and find that the reason for her belief is not because of her [feelings]
The example did use the word "feel", but in general, this also would be OK:
I believe I should have one God and no others before him.
Bob
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 29, 2002, at 18:22:26
In reply to Re: statements of beliefs, posted by Dr. Bob on December 29, 2002, at 14:46:53
Dr.Bob
You wrote that it would be OK to write,[I believe I should have one God and no others before Him]. Now in your guidlines, it is listed to be not OK if one writes,[My faith says I should have one God and no others before Him]. You also have stated that, [I believe] could be equated with [I feel]. Are you saying that [I believe] is not similar to [my faith says]when the poster of the post writes that she arrives at her belief based upon what her bible, which is the word of God in her faith, says in the two verses that she quoted, which is her faith? Are you saying, in as much as you say that [I feel] could be similar to [I believe], that [I believe] can not be equated with, [ my faith says]? If so, could you give your explanation for such ? If you could, then I could have a better underatanding of why you will restrain my proposed post and allow the other post to not be restrained and be better able to respond to your reply accordingly.
So If you agree with me that my observaton is correct here about this, then could I post my proposed post in question as follows to be considered OK here?
[The Rider said to me,"xxxxxxxxxxxxx"] and then post the following after that to be : [Friends, when the Rider said that to me, at that point, I said to myself, "I believe I should have one God and no others before Him.]
Best wishes,
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 29, 2002, at 18:27:53
In reply to Re: statements of beliefs, posted by Dr. Bob on December 29, 2002, at 14:46:53
Dr.Bob
You wrote that it would be OK to write,[I believe I should have one God and no others before Him]. Now in your guidlines, it is listed to be not OK if one writes,[My faith says I should have one God and no others before Him]. You also have stated that, [I believe] could be equated with [I feel]. Are you saying that [I believe] is not similar to [my faith says] when the poster of the post writes that she arrives at her belief based upon what her bible, which is the word of God in her faith, says in the two verses that she quoted, which is her faith? Are you saying, in as much as you say that [I feel] could be similar to [I believe], that [I believe] can not be equated with, [ my faith says]? If so, could you give your explanation for such ? If you could, then I could have a better underatanding of why you will restrain my proposed post and allow the other post to not be restrained and be better able to respond to your reply accordingly.
But If you do agree that [I believe] is similar to [my faith says], then could I post my proposed post in question as follows to be considered OK here?
[The Rider said to me,"xxxxxxxxxxxxx"] and then post the following after that to be : [Friends, when the Rider said that to me, at that point, I said to myself, "I believe I should have one God and no others before Him.]
Best wishes,
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 29, 2002, at 20:46:30
In reply to Re: statements of beliefs » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on December 29, 2002, at 18:27:53
Dr. Bob,
Due to computer problems that I am experiancing, my final revision of the post above did not transmit, and two revisions came through by accident. The final revision states that it really does not have any effect on the post in question as to it being OK or not OK here if you agree or not agree that you could or could not equate [I believe] with [ my faith says]. What could be shown if you did agree, is that the other poster's post is not OK. But either way, I am asking for clarification if I post [I believe] not [my faith says].
Lou
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