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Posted by Dr. Bob on November 23, 2002, at 0:11:08
[Posted by IsoM on November 21, 2002, at 20:26:53
In reply to http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20021001/msgs/1264.html]
> I'll admit I don't feel like answering the question. Not because I don't consider it worth answering but because the complexity of reasons can get too complicated to answer on a forum. I prefer face-to-face discussion - it's much better suited to my personality & thinking.
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> But to say this question isn't a good one to ask here as support is the goal of this forum misses a point.
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> I don't find the question rude or seeming to come from a superior attitude. It's a desire to understand the reason for people wanting a spiritual sense in their lives. If someone is willing to answer Eddie's question & discuss pros & cons, perhaps it could expand his own views & oputlook about spirituality.
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> Some people really enjoy the chance to express why they have this spiritual side to their life. It's supportive to them & others to express it. If no one answers Eddie then that also says something about their level of comfort about telling others.
Posted by Dr. Bob on November 23, 2002, at 9:27:54
In reply to Re: please be supportive of religious faith « IsoM, posted by Dr. Bob on November 23, 2002, at 0:11:08
> If no one answers Eddie then that also says something about their level of comfort about telling others.
Well, the context can make a difference, maybe they're not comfortable being questioned...
Bob
Posted by oracle on November 24, 2002, at 5:33:46
In reply to Re: please be supportive of religious faith, posted by Dr. Bob on November 23, 2002, at 9:27:54
Sorry, I really do not get this. What else
could be more valid a question than "Which god ?"
on a general faith board ? Saying this is not
supportive indicates to me someone has decided
which specific god this board represents.Many faiths have a different god, some have many.
I like Buddha's and Krishna's teachings. A very valid question, then, is how does one decide which is right for you.Otherwise, Dr Bob, if we cannot ask "which god ?", please tell us the one you decided was OK.
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 24, 2002, at 9:42:02
In reply to Re: please be supportive of religious faith, posted by oracle on November 24, 2002, at 5:33:46
oracle,
The post,"which God?" could be seen by reasonable men to have different motivations by the asker of the question.
One motivation could be to challenge people to defend their faith, for to answer the question , one would have to separate their faith from all others, and declare in some way that their faith is the "correct" one. Now IsoV points out that it would be quite an endevor to do so, and I agree with her. So if the questioner is challenging others, then I would agree with the administration that the question is "not supportive", for it goes without saying that a person's faith is the correct one FOR THEM and no one [has] to defend.
Now there can be other motivations for the poster asking the question and if the question was rephrased in some way to appear to be asking for support, like Iso M also indicates, then that would be , IMO, a benifit to fostering discussion to support faith. A question like, what did Krishna , or Jesus, or Bhudda, or Muhammad, or an idol, or The Word of God, or some other say or do that makes one have faith in regards to the formentioned, would be, IMO, a supportive question, but to answer, as ISO W writes, wouold be quite an endevor. Difficult, but not impossible, IMO.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 24, 2002, at 10:08:01
In reply to Re: please be supportive of religious faith, posted by oracle on November 24, 2002, at 5:33:46
oracle,
You wrote that [... indicates that it is decided which God this boaed represents...]by indicating that the question is non-supportive.
That ,IMO, could be quite a jump to conclude, for it is not a faith that is being said to be non-supportive, but the question that the post poses could be open to be interpretted to be a [challenge] to others that is being said to be non-supportive.
The admimistration did not sanction any spacific God in the post that indicated that the question was non-supportive. It is self-evident by a review of the past posts on the faith board that all faiths are permitted to be shared here.
Now your objection is a good contribution to this forum, IMO, for you are bringing out a good point that needs to be addressed. And since this board is in the begginings of it's development, then you are opening up a good discussion so that the board can get direction to achieve it's goal, which is to support faith.
Could you clarify what you mean by [if we can not ask which God, tell us the one that is OK]?
If you could do that, then I could have better understanding of your post and be better able to communicate with you further.
Best regards,
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 24, 2002, at 11:16:05
In reply to Re: please be supportive of religious faith, posted by oracle on November 24, 2002, at 5:33:46
Oracle,
You wrote,[I like Krishna's and Buddha's teachings. A valid question is how does one decide...]
Could you tell us,if you would like to, on the faith board, the [teachings of Buddah and Krishna that you like]? Your contribution to the faith board in this regard will be appreciated, for the faith board is to share your faith so that others get support in faith.
Lou
Posted by oracle on November 25, 2002, at 0:12:06
In reply to Lou's reply to oracle's pos t- part 2, posted by Lou Pilder on November 24, 2002, at 10:08:01
> oracle,
> You wrote that [... indicates that it is decided which God this boaed represents...]by indicating that the question is non-supportive.
> That ,IMO, could be quite a jump to conclude, for it is not a faith that is being said to be non-supportive, but the question that the post poses could be open to be interpretted to be a [challenge] to others that is being said to be non-supportive.
> Which god is the only one?Remember, others shouldn't feel put down for having their beliefs...
Bob
Lou, I have to agree with you that this post was
short leaving it open as to meaning. Given that
this question seems most basic to faith, & given the number of options, I thought it better to
ask of clarification. Also it is better when it is not clear, to not assume a negative, given how relevant this question is in the context of a faith board.
Posted by oracle on November 25, 2002, at 14:47:28
In reply to Re: please be supportive of religious faith, posted by oracle on November 24, 2002, at 5:33:46
Posted by Dr. Bob on November 26, 2002, at 3:54:19
In reply to Dr Bob, the courtesy of your answer ? (nm), posted by oracle on November 25, 2002, at 14:47:28
> Many faiths have a different god, some have many.
> I like Buddha's and Krishna's teachings. A very valid question, then, is how does one decide which is right for you.Sorry about not replying earlier. That does sound fine. The key is supporting rather than challenging (a better word than "questioning", which I said before). In this case, I agree with Lou:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20020918/msgs/8290.html
Bob
Posted by oracle on November 26, 2002, at 11:19:59
In reply to Re: an answer, posted by Dr. Bob on November 26, 2002, at 3:54:19
I am no understanding here.
> Which god is the only one?
Remember, others shouldn't feel put down for having their beliefs...
Bob
Not trying to be a pain, but many seem to agree this is a valid question. Prehaps if developed it could be a "put down" but as it stands it seems a vadlid question. Too shoot down a one line question seems to stifle discussion.
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 26, 2002, at 12:13:33
In reply to Re: an answer, posted by oracle on November 26, 2002, at 11:19:59
oracle,
You wrote,[...as it stands, it seems to be a valid question...][which God is the only one?]
I agree that it could be a valid question. But on which board?
The faith board is for those seeking support in [their]faith. To initiate a discussion as to which faith is the correct faith would ultimatly lead to either one faith being the correct faith, or no faith at all being correct, or all faiths being correct. It goes without saying that all faiths are correct [to each that holds their own faith] and that to initiate a discussion that challenges those to ligitimise their own faith is against the goal of the board which is to support faith, not to put down other faiths. For to say that one faith is the correct faith, is to demean all other faiths.
When I discuss my faith experiance, it is [my] experiance. My experiance does not mean that other faith experiancs are wrong any more than other that tell of their faith experances mean that my faith experiance [is not the correct faith]. It goes without saying here that ALL FAITHS ARE EQUAL and that any disscuson as to which faith is better, or more correct , or the correct faith, or which God is the only one, etc., etc., would be unsupportive, to say the least. There are posters here that tell of Budahhism, Zen, Catholicism, Judaism, Jahova's Witnesses, Mormanism, Wicca, and others. No one , as I have seen, has initiated a vigorous challenge to any of those faiths and to start such now, woud only,IMO, detour the goal of the faith board , which is to accept and support all faiths.
Now a discussion of such on some other board that allows such a discussion , and I do not know of one that does, would be appropriate, for then the people that are seeking support in faith would not have to be challenged on their beliefs.
When Dr. Bob modifed the opening of the faith board, the intent of the modification apppears to be to alllow the people here that are seeking support in [faith in God] to get that support [unapposed] by delegating atheism and agnosticism to another board, perhaps the social board, for atheism and agnosticism do not [support] faith in God.
Now the question,[which God is the only one] could be looked at as a [contest]. If so, then who is going to be the judge?
Lou
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