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Posted by beardedlady on July 31, 2002, at 5:36:19
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob's not here so PBC. This is nuts!, posted by LostBoyinNC1 on July 30, 2002, at 19:44:26
Lostboy:
I agree with many points in your last post. (Okay, most of the them.) Had you said all this without name calling or accusations, you'd have won kudos and back pats (at least from a few of us).
A little anger is a good thing, and it is a catalyst for change. But Martin Luther King didn't bully people. (He didn't guilt them, either.)
Your post was well-written and articulate, emotionally charged and pretty right on target. The only thing missing was a little bit of compassion and the ability to turn accusation into something more innocuous. Oh--and the ever-illusive apostrophe. Add those things, and you'll be a force to be reckoned with.
beardy
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> Oftentimes in society, the greatest social changes occur when people get angry and decide to do something about it. They go into politics, they write a book to voice their experiences and opinions on whats wrong with the system. They form political lobbying groups to foster changes they believe needs to occur. Anger can be a catalyst for change and its not always a bad thing, unlike how many mental health specialists would have you believe.
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> Without anger, there would have been no civil rights movement in the sixties. There would have been no psychiatry reform movement in the sixties and seventies. Many social changes have occurred because a small group of people could see things fundamentally wrong with certain aspects of the system and became angry about it and wanted to change it.
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> People who dont get angry are sheep. They are the passive codependents Ive complained about that habitate this board. Many successful people have anger problems and many times its the anger that motivates them to get things done (attorneys, politicians, corporate CEOs, etc). Many of them die young from cardiovascular disease as well. While it might not be pretty or fun for the people around an angry person, anger gets things done.
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> If you want change, you must get angry. At least a little bit.
>
> LostBoyinNC
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Posted by Dinah on July 31, 2002, at 6:15:56
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob's not here so PBC. This is nuts!, posted by LostBoyinNC1 on July 30, 2002, at 19:44:26
Righteous anger is indeed a formidable force. But in order for it to be useful, it must be channeled and disciplined. Otherwise it is just indiscriminately destructive.
Take care of yourself.
Posted by kid_A on July 31, 2002, at 9:11:21
In reply to Re: Anger » LostBoyinNC1, posted by Dinah on July 31, 2002, at 6:15:56
Posted by beardedlady on July 31, 2002, at 9:54:02
In reply to I'm reserving all comments, its pointless now... (nm), posted by kid_A on July 31, 2002, at 9:11:21
the absolute anger and meanness on the original PB, or the gooey, sticky mess that has become PSB?
At least on PBA, there seems to be a point. Sometimes.
beardy
Posted by Dinah on July 31, 2002, at 10:04:08
In reply to Which is worse: » kid_A, posted by beardedlady on July 31, 2002, at 9:54:02
Would you care to clarify?
Posted by Dinah on July 31, 2002, at 10:22:21
In reply to Re: Gooey, sticky, mess? » beardedlady, posted by Dinah on July 31, 2002, at 10:04:08
You are entitled to your own reactions. I shouldn't have asked.
Perhaps you should start a thread to your liking...
Posted by Ctrlaltndel:) on July 31, 2002, at 10:40:17
In reply to Re: Never mind, Beardedlady, posted by Dinah on July 31, 2002, at 10:22:21
Posted by Susan G on July 31, 2002, at 12:09:16
In reply to Which is worse: » kid_A, posted by beardedlady on July 31, 2002, at 9:54:02
I'm not sure why you felt it necessary to make that unkind remark, Beardy. I just wanted to let you know I disgree; I do think there is a point to all of the posts there even if the subject matter is silly or trivial. Dinah's suggestion to start a thread you feel isn't pointless is a good one if you feel PSB is not meeting your needs.
Posted by kiddo on July 31, 2002, at 12:43:56
In reply to Blocked for a week. LostBoyinNC1, posted by Phil on July 30, 2002, at 20:39:27
> As Dr. Bob would say,"Please don't say anything that would make others feel put down."What about the post you just made to LostBoy?
http://dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20020725/msgs/6861.html
> If you post within a week, it will go to two weeks. I think Dr. Bob will agree. If you disagree, take it up with Dr. Bob. But wait till he's back before you post. I appreciate your cooperation.
>Did Dr. Bob make you temporary moderator? I just didn't see the post.
Kiddo
Posted by Tabi T. Ha on July 31, 2002, at 12:53:18
In reply to Uh-oh. » LostBoyinNC1, posted by beardedlady on July 31, 2002, at 5:36:19
Posted by Tabi T. Ha :-) on July 31, 2002, at 13:01:05
In reply to ...it's all that sticky juice from fruit orgy (nm) » Dinah, posted by Ctrlaltndel:) on July 31, 2002, at 10:40:17
Posted by Phil on July 31, 2002, at 13:04:09
In reply to Re: Blocked for a week. LostBoyinNC1 » Phil, posted by kiddo on July 31, 2002, at 12:43:56
I took the initiative because nobody knew where Dr. Bob was. Dr. Bob's erased everything I posted and will probably erase the one week block on LostBoy. I was trying to help. I haven't received a thank you or a screw you. Does that answer your question? You won't have to worry about it again, I can promise you.
Posted by kiddo on July 31, 2002, at 13:06:35
In reply to Kiddo, posted by Phil on July 31, 2002, at 13:04:09
I wasn't worried about it. I was asking a simple question.
Sheesh...
Posted by beardedlady on July 31, 2002, at 13:40:40
In reply to um, didn't you mean 'elusive'? (nm) » beardedlady, posted by Tabi T. Ha on July 31, 2002, at 12:53:18
Posted by shar on July 31, 2002, at 14:38:48
In reply to Uh-oh. » LostBoyinNC1, posted by beardedlady on July 31, 2002, at 5:36:19
When I think of the movements led in anger, the result seems to be war rather than change. Yes, war certainly does change things! But, I think the point at issue is positive change coming from anger.
An angry crowd taking an 'us vs. them' perspective is too volatile, imo, to lead to anything positive...at least until well after the riots have ended.
An angry crowd that quiets down to listen to Gandhi talk about a day of prayer, or passive resistance, has a much better chance of leading to positive change, imo. Gandhi, MLK...they stood against wrongdoing, and did what was right. And, imo, worked miracles. They did not come off as heart-attack bound enraged men, and I feel sure our world would be very different if they had.
Shar
P.S. I have counted 7 things in this post that would get me in trouble with my English teacher. I await my corrections. "Thank you, Mistress, may I have another?"
> Lostboy:
>
> I agree with many points in your last post. (Okay, most of the them.) Had you said all this without name calling or accusations, you'd have won kudos and back pats (at least from a few of us).
>
> A little anger is a good thing, and it is a catalyst for change. But Martin Luther King didn't bully people. (He didn't guilt them, either.)
>
> Your post was well-written and articulate, emotionally charged and pretty right on target. The only thing missing was a little bit of compassion and the ability to turn accusation into something more innocuous. Oh--and the ever-illusive apostrophe. Add those things, and you'll be a force to be reckoned with.
>
> beardy
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> ----
>
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> > Oftentimes in society, the greatest social changes occur when people get angry and decide to do something about it. They go into politics, they write a book to voice their experiences and opinions on whats wrong with the system. They form political lobbying groups to foster changes they believe needs to occur. Anger can be a catalyst for change and its not always a bad thing, unlike how many mental health specialists would have you believe.
> >
> > Without anger, there would have been no civil rights movement in the sixties. There would have been no psychiatry reform movement in the sixties and seventies. Many social changes have occurred because a small group of people could see things fundamentally wrong with certain aspects of the system and became angry about it and wanted to change it.
> >
> > People who dont get angry are sheep. They are the passive codependents Ive complained about that habitate this board. Many successful people have anger problems and many times its the anger that motivates them to get things done (attorneys, politicians, corporate CEOs, etc). Many of them die young from cardiovascular disease as well. While it might not be pretty or fun for the people around an angry person, anger gets things done.
> >
> > If you want change, you must get angry. At least a little bit.
> >
> > LostBoyinNC
> >
>
>
Posted by beardedlady on July 31, 2002, at 14:50:46
In reply to I wonder 'bout anger n ware it gits usns, posted by shar on July 31, 2002, at 14:38:48
> P.S. I have counted 7 things in this post that would get me in trouble with my English teacher.
Posted by Phil on July 31, 2002, at 15:25:13
In reply to Re: Kiddo » Phil, posted by kiddo on July 31, 2002, at 13:06:35
Been a terrible day. Everything is going wrong. Work, personal no life, etc.
I apologize.
I think I'll get my .38 and go to the range and see if I can get my friend Roger to run back and forth at about 50 meters. Just kiddoing.
Posted by mair on July 31, 2002, at 16:18:43
In reply to Re: Kiddo my apologies, posted by Phil on July 31, 2002, at 15:25:13
Hey Phil
Sorry to hear that you're down. I'm sure there is an employer or two out there who would tell you that having a personal life is way overrated. (-:
No posts have disappeared on my screen yet. It would be a shame if Bob wiped out your post on the need to use posting restraint. It's certainly a worthy and timely concept.
Thanks
Mair
Posted by Dinah on July 31, 2002, at 16:35:08
In reply to Kiddo, posted by Phil on July 31, 2002, at 13:04:09
> I took the initiative because nobody knew where Dr. Bob was. Dr. Bob's erased everything I posted and will probably erase the one week block on LostBoy. I was trying to help. I haven't received a thank you or a screw you. Does that answer your question? You won't have to worry about it again, I can promise you.
You might not get one from Dr. Bob, but you get one from me. I appreciated your calls for moderation. He deleted my post too. :( And I didn't think there was anything deletable in that one either. I tried my best to be inoffensive. Oh, well, at least it wasn't a PBC.
Posted by kiddo on July 31, 2002, at 17:30:48
In reply to Re: Kiddo my apologies, posted by Phil on July 31, 2002, at 15:25:13
Tis ok-
mine hasn't been the best either. I had a root canal done yesterday (first time) and it took 7 shots for them to numb me up. Now the pain killers they gave me feels like baby aspirin.
Know how ya feel :-)
Hope it gets better
Kiddo
Posted by Phil on July 31, 2002, at 18:19:33
In reply to Re: Kiddo my apologies » Phil, posted by mair on July 31, 2002, at 16:18:43
The only good I did was get Dr. Bob back and yes, several of my posts are gone but they didn't represent his policy either.
Let's just say I won't try to help anymore. Should have stuck to his policies.
If, I had a similar board. Nevermind.
Posted by shar on July 31, 2002, at 18:30:04
In reply to Maybe you need a better English teacher. » shar, posted by beardedlady on July 31, 2002, at 14:50:46
Posted by mair on July 31, 2002, at 21:37:35
In reply to Re: Mair, posted by Phil on July 31, 2002, at 18:19:33
Phil
I'm not sure I know what you're talkiing about since none of your admin posts (at least those that I know about) have disappeared. Some don't show up at the bottom of messages, but I see them on the Board list.
I don't think you should be discouraged. I thought your post about restraint was a wonderful demonstration of the need for us all to realize that what we post on this Board may lead to further needless disruption (as oppose to the needful perhaps). I really had the sense that you posted that for the good of the Board as a whole. I have no idea what Bob thought of it - if his reaction was negative, i hope he explains that to you - I think he owes you an explanation.
I appreciated the sentiment behind your post and i don't think you should fault yourself for taking a stab at getting that message out when you did.
Mair
PS: Maybe Bob just doesn't like the idea of citizen arrests.
Posted by Dinah on July 31, 2002, at 21:45:25
In reply to But Phil, posted by mair on July 31, 2002, at 21:37:35
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> PS: Maybe Bob just doesn't like the idea of citizen arrests.
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 31, 2002, at 22:48:22
In reply to snob v. elitist » janejj, posted by beardedlady on July 30, 2002, at 15:25:18
> SNOB !!!!!!
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> janejj> Maybe elitist is a better word.
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> beardyPlease don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down, thanks.
Bob
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