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Posted by LostBoyinNC1 on July 30, 2002, at 17:57:29
In reply to Oh No! LostBoy... Please Come back... (LAME)......, posted by kid_A on July 30, 2002, at 11:16:00
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> What will fill the void of your various insightfull and witty remarks peppered ever so lightly with your loveable use of the word formerly known as for unlawful carnal knowledge...
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> Sigh... Yet another sleep deprived net-monkey who got too close to a keyboard for the world's good wanders off in to the sunset...
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> Hello!!! I need attention, I'm lonely and ignorant and have precious little command of the english language...
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> Sayonara imbicilic cypher...Nah, I can read your post and tell I am a better writer than you are. You just dont like what I say.
LostBoyinNC
Posted by Phil on July 30, 2002, at 18:44:35
In reply to Re: Oh No! LostBoy... Please Come back... (LAME)......, posted by LostBoyinNC1 on July 30, 2002, at 17:57:29
Cam handled a blindside attack from lost boy well.
Lost boy is angry at everything. He's more a danger to himself with that level of anger.
If we're ever going to be able to actually exchange ideas and make friends here, we have to decide between taking an easy shot at someone or ignoring them.
If you take a shot at them, someone takes a shot at you, third parties join in.
I have been guilty, too. But 'before' you hit that submit button, think where it's going to lead and what it's going to do to this board.
We all deal with a tough disease. EVERYONE OF US.
Why do we fight with each other? We ought to be fighting for our rights, parity, better drugs.It is incredibly hard not to respond to a series of nasty posts but if you do...you know what's next.
I'll give Dr. Bob another one PPR: Please Practice Restraint. Give it an hour before you post if you're not sure. There are many times I wish I would have.The bottom line is that everyone here says they want a safe place; that will take maturity and restraint. We want Dr. Bob back to block, etc. What are we? Helpless? If somebody makes you angry, do what Jesus said. Be nice to them; it's like pouring hot coals on their head. They're stumped. They have no where to go. Many come here just to provoke.
The absolute worst thing for our collective diseases is ANGER. We have a choice.
We can choose compassion or outright hatred.
Don't give your power away to Dr. Bob or anyone else. Take responsibility.Phil
Posted by Dinah on July 30, 2002, at 19:34:06
In reply to Dr. Bob's not here so PBC. This is nuts!, posted by Phil on July 30, 2002, at 18:44:35
Huge amounts of wisdom condensed in it.
But I still wish Dr. Bob would come back...
Posted by LostBoyinNC1 on July 30, 2002, at 19:44:26
In reply to Dr. Bob's not here so PBC. This is nuts!, posted by Phil on July 30, 2002, at 18:44:35
> Cam handled a blindside attack from lost boy well.
> Lost boy is angry at everything. He's more a danger to himself with that level of anger.
> If we're ever going to be able to actually exchange ideas and make friends here, we have to decide between taking an easy shot at someone or ignoring them.
> If you take a shot at them, someone takes a shot at you, third parties join in.
> I have been guilty, too. But 'before' you hit that submit button, think where it's going to lead and what it's going to do to this board.
> We all deal with a tough disease. EVERYONE OF US.
> Why do we fight with each other? We ought to be fighting for our rights, parity, better drugs.
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> It is incredibly hard not to respond to a series of nasty posts but if you do...you know what's next.
> I'll give Dr. Bob another one PPR: Please Practice Restraint. Give it an hour before you post if you're not sure. There are many times I wish I would have.
>
> The bottom line is that everyone here says they want a safe place; that will take maturity and restraint. We want Dr. Bob back to block, etc. What are we? Helpless? If somebody makes you angry, do what Jesus said. Be nice to them; it's like pouring hot coals on their head. They're stumped. They have no where to go. Many come here just to provoke.
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> The absolute worst thing for our collective diseases is ANGER. We have a choice.
> We can choose compassion or outright hatred.
> Don't give your power away to Dr. Bob or anyone else. Take responsibility.
>
> PhilThe above is incorrect. I am not angry at everything. Hardly. It might seem that way to people on this board, but Im actually a pretty nice guy who cares about people. I am actually a peacelover.
What I am angry about is shoddy, lack of specific psychiatric care. Im angry about how atypical anti-psychotic drugs are used sometimes with people who have depression and anxiety and not schizophrenia. Im angry that some family doctors are beginning to use low dose atypical anti-psychotics to replace benzos in anxiety patients who have absolutely no psychosis, because the doctor is afraid of getting the person hooked on benzos.
Im angry that my 86 year old grandmother, who weighs 92 lbs and cannot walk or get out of bed anymore was placed on 7.5 mg Zyprexa this past year for "dementia" and "behavioral problems" as the nursing home doctor put it. She couldnt hurt a fly physically. Sometimes she has verbal outbursts, but physically she cant even get out of bed. She has no history of mental illness whatsoever, much less any psychotic disorder. Thats enough Zyprexa to sedate a horse. Yeah, Im pissed about that and I dont agree with it.
Im specific when I speak. I dont go around saying schizophrenics or schizo-affectives should stop taking Seroquel...hardly...I think they need the stuff.
Oftentimes in society, the greatest social changes occur when people get angry and decide to do something about it. They go into politics, they write a book to voice their experiences and opinions on whats wrong with the system. They form political lobbying groups to foster changes they believe needs to occur. Anger can be a catalyst for change and its not always a bad thing, unlike how many mental health specialists would have you believe.
Without anger, there would have been no civil rights movement in the sixties. There would have been no psychiatry reform movement in the sixties and seventies. Many social changes have occurred because a small group of people could see things fundamentally wrong with certain aspects of the system and became angry about it and wanted to change it.
People who dont get angry are sheep. They are the passive codependents Ive complained about that habitate this board. Many successful people have anger problems and many times its the anger that motivates them to get things done (attorneys, politicians, corporate CEOs, etc). Many of them die young from cardiovascular disease as well. While it might not be pretty or fun for the people around an angry person, anger gets things done.
If you want change, you must get angry. At least a little bit.
LostBoyinNC
Posted by Phil on July 30, 2002, at 20:39:27
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob's not here so PBC. This is nuts!, posted by LostBoyinNC1 on July 30, 2002, at 19:44:26
"People who dont get angry are sheep. They are the passive codependents Ive complained about that habitate this board."
As Dr. Bob would say,"Please don't say anything that would make others feel put down."If you post within a week, it will go to two weeks. I think Dr. Bob will agree. If you disagree, take it up with Dr. Bob. But wait till he's back before you post. I appreciate your cooperation.
Posted by judy1 on July 30, 2002, at 21:14:13
In reply to Dr. Bob's not here so PBC. This is nuts!, posted by Phil on July 30, 2002, at 18:44:35
I'm glad you are taking a responsible role, and everything you wrote was so right. It's not safe for me here anymore so I'm taking a leave- i wish everyone well. take care, judy
Posted by Ron Hill on July 31, 2002, at 0:36:18
In reply to Blocked for a week. LostBoyinNC1, posted by Phil on July 30, 2002, at 20:39:27
Posted by beardedlady on July 31, 2002, at 5:36:19
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob's not here so PBC. This is nuts!, posted by LostBoyinNC1 on July 30, 2002, at 19:44:26
Lostboy:
I agree with many points in your last post. (Okay, most of the them.) Had you said all this without name calling or accusations, you'd have won kudos and back pats (at least from a few of us).
A little anger is a good thing, and it is a catalyst for change. But Martin Luther King didn't bully people. (He didn't guilt them, either.)
Your post was well-written and articulate, emotionally charged and pretty right on target. The only thing missing was a little bit of compassion and the ability to turn accusation into something more innocuous. Oh--and the ever-illusive apostrophe. Add those things, and you'll be a force to be reckoned with.
beardy
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> Oftentimes in society, the greatest social changes occur when people get angry and decide to do something about it. They go into politics, they write a book to voice their experiences and opinions on whats wrong with the system. They form political lobbying groups to foster changes they believe needs to occur. Anger can be a catalyst for change and its not always a bad thing, unlike how many mental health specialists would have you believe.
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> Without anger, there would have been no civil rights movement in the sixties. There would have been no psychiatry reform movement in the sixties and seventies. Many social changes have occurred because a small group of people could see things fundamentally wrong with certain aspects of the system and became angry about it and wanted to change it.
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> People who dont get angry are sheep. They are the passive codependents Ive complained about that habitate this board. Many successful people have anger problems and many times its the anger that motivates them to get things done (attorneys, politicians, corporate CEOs, etc). Many of them die young from cardiovascular disease as well. While it might not be pretty or fun for the people around an angry person, anger gets things done.
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> If you want change, you must get angry. At least a little bit.
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> LostBoyinNC
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Posted by Dinah on July 31, 2002, at 6:15:56
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob's not here so PBC. This is nuts!, posted by LostBoyinNC1 on July 30, 2002, at 19:44:26
Righteous anger is indeed a formidable force. But in order for it to be useful, it must be channeled and disciplined. Otherwise it is just indiscriminately destructive.
Take care of yourself.
Posted by kid_A on July 31, 2002, at 9:11:21
In reply to Re: Anger » LostBoyinNC1, posted by Dinah on July 31, 2002, at 6:15:56
Posted by beardedlady on July 31, 2002, at 9:54:02
In reply to I'm reserving all comments, its pointless now... (nm), posted by kid_A on July 31, 2002, at 9:11:21
the absolute anger and meanness on the original PB, or the gooey, sticky mess that has become PSB?
At least on PBA, there seems to be a point. Sometimes.
beardy
Posted by Dinah on July 31, 2002, at 10:04:08
In reply to Which is worse: » kid_A, posted by beardedlady on July 31, 2002, at 9:54:02
Would you care to clarify?
Posted by Dinah on July 31, 2002, at 10:22:21
In reply to Re: Gooey, sticky, mess? » beardedlady, posted by Dinah on July 31, 2002, at 10:04:08
You are entitled to your own reactions. I shouldn't have asked.
Perhaps you should start a thread to your liking...
Posted by Ctrlaltndel:) on July 31, 2002, at 10:40:17
In reply to Re: Never mind, Beardedlady, posted by Dinah on July 31, 2002, at 10:22:21
Posted by Susan G on July 31, 2002, at 12:09:16
In reply to Which is worse: » kid_A, posted by beardedlady on July 31, 2002, at 9:54:02
I'm not sure why you felt it necessary to make that unkind remark, Beardy. I just wanted to let you know I disgree; I do think there is a point to all of the posts there even if the subject matter is silly or trivial. Dinah's suggestion to start a thread you feel isn't pointless is a good one if you feel PSB is not meeting your needs.
Posted by kiddo on July 31, 2002, at 12:43:56
In reply to Blocked for a week. LostBoyinNC1, posted by Phil on July 30, 2002, at 20:39:27
> As Dr. Bob would say,"Please don't say anything that would make others feel put down."What about the post you just made to LostBoy?
http://dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20020725/msgs/6861.html
> If you post within a week, it will go to two weeks. I think Dr. Bob will agree. If you disagree, take it up with Dr. Bob. But wait till he's back before you post. I appreciate your cooperation.
>Did Dr. Bob make you temporary moderator? I just didn't see the post.
Kiddo
Posted by Tabi T. Ha on July 31, 2002, at 12:53:18
In reply to Uh-oh. » LostBoyinNC1, posted by beardedlady on July 31, 2002, at 5:36:19
Posted by Tabi T. Ha :-) on July 31, 2002, at 13:01:05
In reply to ...it's all that sticky juice from fruit orgy (nm) » Dinah, posted by Ctrlaltndel:) on July 31, 2002, at 10:40:17
Posted by Phil on July 31, 2002, at 13:04:09
In reply to Re: Blocked for a week. LostBoyinNC1 » Phil, posted by kiddo on July 31, 2002, at 12:43:56
I took the initiative because nobody knew where Dr. Bob was. Dr. Bob's erased everything I posted and will probably erase the one week block on LostBoy. I was trying to help. I haven't received a thank you or a screw you. Does that answer your question? You won't have to worry about it again, I can promise you.
Posted by kiddo on July 31, 2002, at 13:06:35
In reply to Kiddo, posted by Phil on July 31, 2002, at 13:04:09
I wasn't worried about it. I was asking a simple question.
Sheesh...
Posted by beardedlady on July 31, 2002, at 13:40:40
In reply to um, didn't you mean 'elusive'? (nm) » beardedlady, posted by Tabi T. Ha on July 31, 2002, at 12:53:18
Posted by shar on July 31, 2002, at 14:38:48
In reply to Uh-oh. » LostBoyinNC1, posted by beardedlady on July 31, 2002, at 5:36:19
When I think of the movements led in anger, the result seems to be war rather than change. Yes, war certainly does change things! But, I think the point at issue is positive change coming from anger.
An angry crowd taking an 'us vs. them' perspective is too volatile, imo, to lead to anything positive...at least until well after the riots have ended.
An angry crowd that quiets down to listen to Gandhi talk about a day of prayer, or passive resistance, has a much better chance of leading to positive change, imo. Gandhi, MLK...they stood against wrongdoing, and did what was right. And, imo, worked miracles. They did not come off as heart-attack bound enraged men, and I feel sure our world would be very different if they had.
Shar
P.S. I have counted 7 things in this post that would get me in trouble with my English teacher. I await my corrections. "Thank you, Mistress, may I have another?"
> Lostboy:
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> I agree with many points in your last post. (Okay, most of the them.) Had you said all this without name calling or accusations, you'd have won kudos and back pats (at least from a few of us).
>
> A little anger is a good thing, and it is a catalyst for change. But Martin Luther King didn't bully people. (He didn't guilt them, either.)
>
> Your post was well-written and articulate, emotionally charged and pretty right on target. The only thing missing was a little bit of compassion and the ability to turn accusation into something more innocuous. Oh--and the ever-illusive apostrophe. Add those things, and you'll be a force to be reckoned with.
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> beardy
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> > Oftentimes in society, the greatest social changes occur when people get angry and decide to do something about it. They go into politics, they write a book to voice their experiences and opinions on whats wrong with the system. They form political lobbying groups to foster changes they believe needs to occur. Anger can be a catalyst for change and its not always a bad thing, unlike how many mental health specialists would have you believe.
> >
> > Without anger, there would have been no civil rights movement in the sixties. There would have been no psychiatry reform movement in the sixties and seventies. Many social changes have occurred because a small group of people could see things fundamentally wrong with certain aspects of the system and became angry about it and wanted to change it.
> >
> > People who dont get angry are sheep. They are the passive codependents Ive complained about that habitate this board. Many successful people have anger problems and many times its the anger that motivates them to get things done (attorneys, politicians, corporate CEOs, etc). Many of them die young from cardiovascular disease as well. While it might not be pretty or fun for the people around an angry person, anger gets things done.
> >
> > If you want change, you must get angry. At least a little bit.
> >
> > LostBoyinNC
> >
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Posted by beardedlady on July 31, 2002, at 14:50:46
In reply to I wonder 'bout anger n ware it gits usns, posted by shar on July 31, 2002, at 14:38:48
> P.S. I have counted 7 things in this post that would get me in trouble with my English teacher.
Posted by Phil on July 31, 2002, at 15:25:13
In reply to Re: Kiddo » Phil, posted by kiddo on July 31, 2002, at 13:06:35
Been a terrible day. Everything is going wrong. Work, personal no life, etc.
I apologize.
I think I'll get my .38 and go to the range and see if I can get my friend Roger to run back and forth at about 50 meters. Just kiddoing.
Posted by mair on July 31, 2002, at 16:18:43
In reply to Re: Kiddo my apologies, posted by Phil on July 31, 2002, at 15:25:13
Hey Phil
Sorry to hear that you're down. I'm sure there is an employer or two out there who would tell you that having a personal life is way overrated. (-:
No posts have disappeared on my screen yet. It would be a shame if Bob wiped out your post on the need to use posting restraint. It's certainly a worthy and timely concept.
Thanks
Mair
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