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Posted by Greg on July 22, 2002, at 19:27:27
In reply to Re: please be supportive » kiddo, posted by Dr. Bob on July 22, 2002, at 18:48:29
> And coming from the Bible doesn't necessarily make it supportive, either.
>
> BobYou're walking on some EXTREMELY thin ice with this comment Bob.
Posted by krazy kat on July 22, 2002, at 19:29:25
In reply to one road... » Dr. Bob, posted by krazy kat on July 22, 2002, at 19:15:39
I don't see how it can be a board for "religious faith" as it states without allowing discussion about the aspects of a person's religion. Perhaps it had better be the "faith board", with a disclaimer that no one is allowed to post their religious beliefs unless those beliefs are that there are many ways to heaven, or nirvana, etc., and that everyone is O.K. The sort of "I'm O.K., you're O.K. way of thinking"?
No hellfire or damnation allowed. Sounds very boring to me, but I suppose there's no way that could be unsupportive, except for those who believe differently. But then they don't have to read the posts...
The definition posted for "faith" on the board is actually for "religion": the service and worship of God or the supernatural.
Faith is "something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs" as I posted earlier.
So, a Faith Board would be about faith in anything (faith in a tree), not just religious faith which is what Dr. Bob seems to have trouble with. Or the board may have to be canned. But then certain discussions are just going to pop back up on social.
It's really true - the best thing to do is just not respond to threads members want to go away, but without everyone doing that, it doesn't work. And here I am back again adding to it... :(
- KK
Posted by Dinah on July 22, 2002, at 19:36:11
In reply to Re: please be civil » Lou Pilder , posted by Dr. Bob on July 22, 2002, at 18:34:52
I learned the specifics on something I had only a vague understanding of before. Thank you.
Posted by kiddo on July 22, 2002, at 19:40:34
In reply to Re: please be civil » Lou Pilder , posted by Dr. Bob on July 22, 2002, at 18:34:52
May I ask where you found this information?
Kiddo> > The Pharisees did not represent a political party or movement, and they were loosely organized. The Pharisees could well be defined first and foremost as a philosophy with many supporters.
> > There were many sub-groups among the them, and most must be considered to be true and honest in their beliefs. But one group developed a hypocritical approach to Judaism, and became condemned both by scholars writing in the Talmud as well as the Jewish rebel Jesus.
> > Christians have come to consider all Pharisees as hypocritical due to the stories in the Gospels, but this is seriously unfair to the majority of Pharisees.
> > http://lexicorient.com/e.o/pharisees.htm
Posted by krazy kat on July 22, 2002, at 19:45:22
In reply to Re: please be civil, posted by kiddo on July 22, 2002, at 19:40:34
http://lexicorient.com/ - see link in his post.
I know nothing about it - maybe Dr. Bob can explain its credentials?
Posted by krazy kat on July 22, 2002, at 19:50:55
In reply to Re: please be civil » Lou Pilder , posted by Dr. Bob on July 22, 2002, at 18:34:52
Dr. Bob:
I was accused in a round-about-way on this board of Bob-bashing. Phrases such as Dr. Bob was under siege (paraphrased) were used and these really hurt.
I certainly don't want anyone to think that's what I'm doing now. I think it was great of you to set up the faith board. However, you do not like debate here, which is why I left, so I don't know what it will become (that's what I meant by my email re: boredom).
But I have a very serious qualm with the item you posted re: the Pharisees:
"Christians have come to consider all Pharisees as hypocritical due to the stories in the Gospels, but this is seriously unfair to the majority of Pharisees."
That is absolutely, unequivicaobly bashing Christians. It does not even state "SOME Christians. Please acknowledge this.
Also, please explain the credentials of the source.
I am not a Christian (though I grew up as one and really know the Bible), so if I am offended, I'd say this is a big issue.
Posted by kiddo on July 22, 2002, at 19:56:25
In reply to it's from here... » kiddo, posted by krazy kat on July 22, 2002, at 19:45:22
Thanks KK-
I sure don't understand. I went there, and there are no links for Judaism or Christianity...I don't agree with what it said either....my opinion is that it was an overgeneralization...
Kiddo
Posted by Dinah on July 22, 2002, at 20:15:07
In reply to Re: it's from here... » krazy kat , posted by kiddo on July 22, 2002, at 19:56:25
Actually, although I didn't know the specifics, it is in accord with the information I have read from many sources. The Pharisees are, as I understand it, the basis for the rabbinic tradition of today's Judaism. The rabbinic tradition is one which I hold in high esteem. As in any group of people, some lived their faith better than others. To say they were all hypocrites would be akin to saying all Catholic priests are child molesters.
Now I'm not positive about the Saducees. I need to check my sources before I say more about that.
Posted by Dinah on July 22, 2002, at 20:16:48
In reply to Re: it's from here..., posted by Dinah on July 22, 2002, at 20:15:07
Perhaps we all ought to do some research before any of us say something we may later regret.
I know I will. And I commend Dr. Bob for doing so.
Posted by kiddo on July 22, 2002, at 20:19:39
In reply to Re: it's from here..., posted by Dinah on July 22, 2002, at 20:15:07
I didn't call *all* pharisees hypocrites, I was talking about the ones in the Bible that said Jesus was casting out demons in the name of Beelzebub.....there is a big difference...I don't recall mentioning the Saducees at all...
Kiddo
Posted by Dinah on July 22, 2002, at 20:25:53
In reply to Re: it's from here..., posted by kiddo on July 22, 2002, at 20:19:39
Excellent Kiddo. Now we're getting somewhere.
Something we can all agree on. Some Pharisees were hypocrites. I think that's probably a pretty safe statement. Some Christians are hypocrites too. Some Muslims are hypocrites. Some Atheists are hypocrites.
The majority of Pharisees were God loving scholars. The majority of Christians practice kindness and charity. The majority of Muslims submit to Allah. And the majority of Atheists... (this one is hard) don't pray in foxholes.
Okay. Can we take this point as agreed upon by all parties?
Posted by OddipusRex on July 22, 2002, at 20:39:47
In reply to Re: please be civil » Lou Pilder , posted by Dr. Bob on July 22, 2002, at 18:34:52
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> > > While I was on the Road, one asked the Rider about what degree of rightiousness is needed to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. The Rider said to me, " Unless your rightiousness exceeds the the rightiousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the Kingdom of Heaven."
> > > Now the scribes and Pharisees were the most rightious people of Israel. They were the chief Rabbis. They obeyed the Law to the letter.
> >
> > The scribes and Pharisees said but they did not, they said, and preached, but they didn't live it. They said that Jesus cast out devils by the Beelzebub, the prince of the devils. These people were NOT the most righteous in all of Israel. They were hypocrites.
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/msgs/592.html
>
> I don't know anything about the scribes or the Pharisees, sorry, but if someone considers them righteous, I don't think it's so supportive to refer to them as hypocrites.
>
> Bob
>
Are you declaring Jesus Christ unsupportive?????
The quote from the "rider" is straight from the new testament and was also spoken by Jesus.
Don't you think the rider was also being unsupportive of the Pharisees? I think you need to keep thinking about this one Dr B.
Posted by Dinah on July 22, 2002, at 20:49:49
In reply to Re: please be civil Jesus? » Dr. Bob, posted by OddipusRex on July 22, 2002, at 20:39:47
First of all, see the link Dr. Bob provided. It is by no means clear that Jesus called all Pharisees hypocrites.
Second, there were many instances where Jesus may not have fallen under the guidelines Dr. Bob has established for this board. Were Jesus have said to a fellow poster "You are much like whitewashed tombs, which appear fair outside, but inside are full of dead men's bones and everything foul.", I'm certain he would have received a Please Be Civil. Had he said it more than once he may have received a block. And if anyone on this board were to say that to another poster, explaining that he was quoting Jesus, that person would also get a please be civil. Dr. Bob has certain standards of behavior that he expects on this board. Quoting the bible does not excuse anyone from following them. Jesus would have had many other forums for his message. If he wanted to speak here, he would have to abide by the rules.
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 22, 2002, at 20:55:24
In reply to Re: Hmmm. » OddipusRex, posted by Dinah on July 22, 2002, at 20:49:49
Posted by Dinah on July 22, 2002, at 20:57:43
In reply to Dinah---Brilliant, Lou (nm) » Dinah, posted by Lou Pilder on July 22, 2002, at 20:55:24
Posted by krazy kat on July 22, 2002, at 20:58:01
In reply to Re: Perhaps....., posted by Dinah on July 22, 2002, at 20:16:48
who has said anything they may later regret?
Posted by OddipusRex on July 22, 2002, at 21:01:06
In reply to Re: Hmmm. » OddipusRex, posted by Dinah on July 22, 2002, at 20:49:49
Well Dinah Jesus wasn't accepted by many when he was here the first time either was he? Personally I answer to a higher authority than Dr bob :-)
Posted by kiddo on July 22, 2002, at 21:01:59
In reply to Re: Hmmm. » OddipusRex, posted by Dinah on July 22, 2002, at 20:49:49
> First of all, see the link Dr. Bob provided. It is by no means clear that Jesus called all Pharisees hypocrites.
The link that Dr. Bob referred to, is not the Bible I was talking about.
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> Second, there were many instances where Jesus may not have fallen under the guidelines Dr. Bob has established for this board. Were Jesus have said to a fellow poster "You are much like whitewashed tombs, which appear fair outside, but inside are full of dead men's bones and everything foul.", I'm certain he would have received a Please Be Civil. Had he said it more than once he may have received a block. And if anyone on this board were to say that to another poster, explaining that he was quoting Jesus, that person would also get a please be civil. Dr. Bob has certain standards of behavior that he expects on this board. Quoting the bible does not excuse anyone from following them. Jesus would have had many other forums for his message. If he wanted to speak here, he would have to abide by the rules.I did quote the Bible, I was asked to be supportive, but I've not received a PBC post. I think this is getting a little out of hand...
Kiddo
Posted by Dinah on July 22, 2002, at 21:05:39
In reply to Re: Hmmm., posted by kiddo on July 22, 2002, at 21:01:59
I was answering Oddipus' post about whether Dr. Bob would issue Jesus a PBC. It had nothing whatsoever to do with you.
I was the one who said long ago that this was out of hand.
Posted by Dinah on July 22, 2002, at 21:09:14
In reply to things we may regret..., posted by krazy kat on July 22, 2002, at 20:58:01
I imagine everyone, kk. I'm afraid I don't quite understand...
Posted by Phil on July 22, 2002, at 21:12:07
In reply to Re: Hmmm. » OddipusRex, posted by Dinah on July 22, 2002, at 20:49:49
"Were Jesus have said to a fellow poster "You are much like whitewashed tombs, which appear fair outside, but inside are full of dead men's bones and everything foul.", I'm certain he would have received a Please Be Civil. Had he said it more than once he may have received a block."
>>I don't know if you meant it to be but that is one funny paragraph.
If Jesus returned today he would be playing a much bigger venue.
Please don't block Jesus if he posts for obvious reasons.
Posted by Dinah on July 22, 2002, at 21:13:04
In reply to Re: Hmmm., posted by kiddo on July 22, 2002, at 21:01:59
And darn kiddo. I thought we had an agreement in principle that all Pharisees were not hypocrites.
:(
Posted by Dinah on July 22, 2002, at 21:14:18
In reply to Re: Hmmm. » Dinah, posted by Phil on July 22, 2002, at 21:12:07
Posted by krazy kat on July 22, 2002, at 21:16:49
In reply to Re: things we may regret... » krazy kat , posted by Dinah on July 22, 2002, at 21:09:14
i can't speak for anyone else, but i imagine many folks think about what they post, reread it, and feel comfortable with it. no regrets usually I would imagine. i rarely have regrets. i regret losing my temper. that's about it, because i do reread my posts and try very hard to be reasonable and logical, and to keep my emotions, which may interfere with the clarity, out of the way.
Posted by kiddo on July 22, 2002, at 21:21:51
In reply to Re: Kiddo dear... » kiddo, posted by Dinah on July 22, 2002, at 21:05:39
> I was answering Oddipus' post about whether Dr. Bob would issue Jesus a PBC. It had nothing whatsoever to do with you.
>
> I was the one who said long ago that this was out of hand.I was the one that used the term hypocrites in that post, it looks as if dr. bob pasted some of my comments into the same one.
I think a *lot* of ppl said that a long time ago as well...
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