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Posted by krazy kat on May 22, 2002, at 22:28:28
In reply to My two cents, posted by Dinah1 on May 22, 2002, at 22:06:30
Dinah:
Thanks for your comments!
>> I think Lou has been as civil as anyone and should be congratulated on his self control.
-- I actually disagree with you on this one, but I *think* I know where you're coming from...
>> Because I think Lou's honor should be defended as well.-- I'm not concerned with his honor, though. I'm concerned with the damamge he may be doing to the "concept" of this site. People who have come here on the Babble board and tried to "sell" alternative products to "cure" these illnesses have been tossed. I see this as the same thing.
Dinah and KK at Arms!!! ;) My dear Dinah...
- kk
Posted by Dr. Bob on May 23, 2002, at 2:39:24
In reply to Re: please be civil - paxvox » Dr. Bob, posted by krazy kat on May 22, 2002, at 10:36:50
[Posted by krazy kat on May 22, 2002, at 22:09:12
In reply to http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20020517/msgs/107347.html]
Posted by Dr. Bob on May 23, 2002, at 3:12:09
In reply to i may be being hyper sensitive -- Dr. Bob, posted by krazy kat on May 22, 2002, at 12:08:15
> > Today I got an email. Over a year ago, I posted the first Gate on a board that is for people trying to be free from the addiction to BZDs... Today, the email was from a person that saw that message. He has been free from Klonopin for 5 months now, even though he was addicted for 10 years. He attributed his start to overcomming his addiction to that message.
> > I have known thousands of people that have overcome these afflictions. Some tossed their drugs in the garbage can right away, and some kept taking them untill they had the power to overcome without them.
> > the theory of chemical imbalance is considered by many as "quackery" and that you can key in on Google, "chemical imbalance theory of psychiatry,quackery", and read what others say about this theory. Now it appears to me that after reading many of the posts on this board that the drugs themselves will cause a chemical imbalance.
Maybe "thousands" is exaggerating, but IMO those are OK. But YMMV.
> If you'd rather, I'll demand a chorus of pbc's for Lou and his crusade. I think the only way to handle his constant comments, is with a little humor or to demand he be removed from the site. Then he screams bloody-murder about his 'rights.'
I'd rather you didn't make lots of demands. How about the humor option instead? :-)
> so many of us are constantly struggling with our decision to take medication for our illness. having said that, i feel Lou is walking in dangerous territory.
I agree, it may be dangerous, but it's discussed in the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#trust
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#decideAnd in general, I'd like to encourage different points of view.
This isn't always easy, and I know I'm not perfect. I want to be open to feedback, but if you could also please try to accept what I decide and to trust that I'm doing my best to be fair and to do what I think will be good for this community as a whole, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks.
Bob
Posted by kiddo on May 23, 2002, at 3:18:30
In reply to Re: dangerous territory, posted by Dr. Bob on May 23, 2002, at 3:12:09
Posted by alii on May 23, 2002, at 3:23:06
In reply to What's YMMV? (nm) » Dr. Bob, posted by kiddo on May 23, 2002, at 3:18:30
Posted by Zo on May 23, 2002, at 6:07:14
In reply to Re: dangerous territory, posted by Dr. Bob on May 23, 2002, at 3:12:09
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 23, 2002, at 7:57:17
In reply to My two cents, posted by Dinah1 on May 22, 2002, at 22:06:30
Dinah 1,
Thank you for your observations in this matter. I appreciate them.
Lou
Posted by krazy kat on May 23, 2002, at 10:03:28
In reply to Re: dangerous territory, posted by Dr. Bob on May 23, 2002, at 3:12:09
>> I'd rather you didn't make lots of demands. How about the humor option instead? :-)I renigged on using that term in a later post. sorry. But then why did Paxvox get a pbc?
> > And in general, I'd like to encourage different points of view.
Well, me, too, but it seemed that this was going beyond that issue.
> This isn't always easy, and I know I'm not perfect. I want to be open to feedback, but if you could also please try to accept what I decide and to trust that I'm doing my best to be fair and to do what I think will be good for this community as a whole, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks.I never said I didn't accept what you decide, or appreciate your position -- geez, Dr. Bob.
I'm obviously a glutton for punishment. I thought I worked pretty well on my arguments and their presentations for this concern.
It feels as if you have a personal dislike of me, Dr. B. Or perhaps I just can't cut it as a reasonable poster here.
I certainly agree with Phil's post re: ignoring someone, but when that's not happening, maybe other measures have to be taken?
But, no matter. I'll refrain from offering my opinion for awhile as it just seems to get me hurt.
- kk
Posted by christophrejmc on May 23, 2002, at 16:28:34
In reply to Re: dangerous territory » Dr. Bob, posted by krazy kat on May 23, 2002, at 10:03:28
> I renigged on using that term in a later post.
It's actually spelled "reneged." I know how annoying spelling corrections can be, but I think perhaps this is a special case... I certainly don't mean to imply that you meant anything negative by the word (it's obvious that you did not), but can you see how it might be interpreted that way?
-Chris
Posted by kid_A on May 23, 2002, at 18:10:05
In reply to an annoying little spelling correction » krazy kat, posted by christophrejmc on May 23, 2002, at 16:28:34
It's entirely meaningless to take offense at a word simply because it happens to resemble another word which by all rights may be offensive to others. In this case it was a mispelling, so It hardly merits mentioning, but what about the following, which I quote from a Salon article, concerning an even more similarly sounding word..."Take such squeamishness a little further and you have the shameful attack on David Howard, the white director of a Washington D.C. municipal agency who told his staff that, in light of budget cutbacks, he would have to be "niggardly" with funds. An uproar followed that resulted in Howard's resignation, which was accepted by Mayor Anthony Williams on the grounds that Howard had shown poor judgment.
Even some of the commentators who admitted that they knew that "niggardly" has no relation to "nigger" (the origins of the first word predate those of "nigger" by about 300 years) still condemned Howard. They were answered by the columnist Tony Snow, who wrote, "David Howard got fired because some people in public employ were morons who a) didn't know the meaning of the word 'niggardly' b) didn't know how to use a dictionary to discover the word's meaning and c) actually demanded that he apologize for their ignorance."There was a similar protest about a University of Wisconsin at Madison professor who used "niggardly" during a Chaucer class -- this time the complaint came from a student to whom the professor had explained the word's origins. And a professor at Jefferson Community College in Louisville was dismissed because of the lone protest of one black student (out of nine in class of 22) upset by the professor's inclusion of "nigger" in a class discussion on taboo words."
I do in fact believe the author of the above text is african american if you are at all interested in that fact.
Posted by BeARdEdLaDY on May 23, 2002, at 18:36:16
In reply to all spelling corrections aside, yet... » christophrejmc, posted by kid_A on May 23, 2002, at 18:10:05
Bugged the hell out of me. I know what words mean. It's not my fault other people don't. I should be entitled to pick the best word for the job without worrying that someone will mistake it for another word. Howard didn't deserve what happened to him.
A few years ago, I got an e-mail about having the word picnic removed from the dictionary, as it was offensive to black people for reasons you wouldn't even believe. It was one of those urban legend/hoax things, I think, but so many people actually believed the ridiculous etymology in the e-mail. (And I know some people who believe you can get breast cancer from underarm deodarant and MS from aspartame!)
My final story: A few years ago, one of my students told me I couldn't use the word handicapped. I had to say disabled. When I asked her why, she said, "The government says...." I said, no, I don't care what the government says. What's wrong with the word? "It's offensive." Why? "Because they like disabled better." Why would someone like a word that says he is unable to do something? "Because handicapped," she finally told me, "comes from people standing with their caps in their hands begging for money."
!
It took seconds to disprove this, as I happened to have an article about that very word, as well as three dictionaries, all of which explained that it comes from a game called "hand in cap," in which players draw lots. I told the student that when we handicap a horse, we essentially give it something to make it equal with all the other horses. So if we see handicapped persons as persons so great they were given a slight flaw to make them equal with everyone else, why would anyone want to be called disabled?
beardy : )>
(Facial hair on women? Handicap, not a disability.)
Posted by kiddo on May 23, 2002, at 18:57:50
In reply to I remember that one. » kid_A, posted by BeARdEdLaDY on May 23, 2002, at 18:36:16
Posted by krazy kat on May 23, 2002, at 19:20:20
In reply to an annoying little spelling correction » krazy kat, posted by christophrejmc on May 23, 2002, at 16:28:34
Thanks! I certainly can see how it could appear negative.
I used to be the Best speller in the world (really) and Depakote has robbed me of that (Topamax before Dep.). It's so frustrating...
- kk
Posted by krazy kat on May 23, 2002, at 19:23:38
In reply to all spelling corrections aside, yet... » christophrejmc, posted by kid_A on May 23, 2002, at 18:10:05
can't believe you brought up Howard! Let's discuss him further if you'd like on chat or via email (I just perused your post thus far, but doesn't matter I think..) :) Have some inside insight... (and she mysteriously winks...)
Posted by krazy kat on May 23, 2002, at 19:30:07
In reply to I remember that one. » kid_A, posted by BeARdEdLaDY on May 23, 2002, at 18:36:16
Darling:
I want to start calling you this because I love your posts so.
My guess is that this, and Kid_A's posts will get a pbc b/c Some might find them offensive.
I made a post to Mark H. about a new book out, even in the book store in my little town of liberal Woodstock, NY re: the word n***er. I have not read it, but it looks fascinating. Didn't get a response.
Oh, I know, it was in the "swear words" thread.
Anyhoo, agree wholeheartedly with you, as usual - not Always, but Usually. :) And regardless, you're Always very verbose. (That's my word for the day... )
Take care.
= kk
Posted by IsoM on May 24, 2002, at 0:00:24
In reply to personal to kid_a... » kid_A, posted by krazy kat on May 23, 2002, at 19:23:38
Strange how perfectly innocuous words can take on vulgar connotations depending on who uses them. Certain words start out innocent enough but become taboo depending on their origins.
As Beire-dei no doubt knows, many Old Germanic words were considered more coarse & vulgar when the Normans conquered England. Norman French became the artistocrastic language & the shorter blunter Germanic languages became that of the "lower" class. The word 'shit' came from a perfectly acceptable Old Norse (or other Germanic word) for excrement. Even though the word 'nigger' came from Spanish & before that Latin, meaning black, even back then its connotation wasn't meant just to describe skin colour but was meant to denote someone beneath the 'pure' white's consideration.
Posted by Zo on May 24, 2002, at 4:14:13
In reply to personal to kid_a... » kid_A, posted by krazy kat on May 23, 2002, at 19:23:38
Posted by krazy kat on May 24, 2002, at 11:40:51
In reply to origins of taboo words..., posted by IsoM on May 24, 2002, at 0:00:24
Posted by Dr. Bob on May 24, 2002, at 16:29:50
In reply to Re: dangerous territory » Dr. Bob, posted by krazy kat on May 23, 2002, at 10:03:28
> I'm obviously a glutton for punishment. I thought I worked pretty well on my arguments and their presentations for this concern.
>
> It feels as if you have a personal dislike of me, Dr. B. Or perhaps I just can't cut it as a reasonable poster here.
>
> But, no matter. I'll refrain from offering my opinion for awhile as it just seems to get me hurt.Your arguments were fine, I think we may just disagree on what kind of balance to try for. Sorry to have hurt you, I certainly didn't mean to. And I don't dislike you, either! :-)
Bob
Posted by susan C on May 24, 2002, at 17:59:26
In reply to origins of taboo words..., posted by IsoM on May 24, 2002, at 0:00:24
in Japan, the decendants of butchers and tanners were stigmatized by their ancestor's involvement with something this Buddist society considered profane: The carcasses of animals....Menial labor....so there is no excape for the burakumin....the translation of the word..."village people". The word when written in Chinese characters? "Excessive filth"
--Gary Katzenstein, Funny Business an Outsider's Year in Japan
Posted by Zo on May 24, 2002, at 21:15:55
In reply to Thank you Dinah 1 » Dinah1, posted by Lou Pilder on May 23, 2002, at 7:57:17
Lou,
I think one of the important things here is that you don't end up feeing persecuted, and certainly not for your religious beliefs. I think that tends to get lost, that people do have respect and affection. . .it's just that the Message is really driving them nuts, Lou! Repitition is a pretty irritating thing!
Clearly you are a good man, and I have enjoyed some of your stories so much, but I think if you aren't careful, you could end up putting people *off* the Spirit. . .
And you know what would be really helpful? People would like to hear more from you than just the one thing.
It would be good to offer a variety of helpful ideas and suggestions.
Otherwise, you inadvertently end up leaving non-believers out in the cold. . .feeling unsupported.
You know, even Christ went easy--He gave people help, yes, but he gave it in the form *they* needed. When someone was hurting, he just responded. He didn't use that moment to preach, and by this compassionate example. .. well, isn't it really this that really wins hearts and minds?
I think it would work better to go on writing in your Gate threads--and respond to posts with the focus of being sensitive to that person's needs (which are usually expressed in their post, or one of their previous posts in the thread) at that moment.
Hope this helps,
Zo
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 26, 2002, at 0:25:16
In reply to Re: Zo writes to Lou » Lou Pilder, posted by Zo on May 24, 2002, at 21:15:55
Zo,
Now after I was in the City of Peace, I read the Bible about the jesus person in it. I remeber didtinctly that he did preach to people. Also,you say that he went easy. Not from what I remember in my reading of the bible. He said, "Unless you repent you will perish." He said, "If you do not forgive men, your Father in heaven will not forgive you." He said, don't fear man that can kill the body, but fear him that can cast your soul and body into hell." And he said, You seek after worldly goods. Store up treasures in heaven where moths and rust and theives will not get them." He said, "but I say into you, unless a man be born again, he can not enter the kingdom of God.
Lou
Posted by kiddo on May 26, 2002, at 0:36:18
In reply to Re: Zo writes to Lou:Lou writes back to Zo » Zo, posted by Lou Pilder on May 26, 2002, at 0:25:16
Posted by Zo on May 26, 2002, at 2:53:45
In reply to Admin TOO??!?!??!!!!??!?!?!?!?! (nm) » Lou Pilder, posted by kiddo on May 26, 2002, at 0:36:18
Posted by kiddo on May 26, 2002, at 3:37:38
In reply to Re: Elvis is everywhere in the building. (nm) » kiddo, posted by Zo on May 26, 2002, at 2:53:45
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