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Posted by shar on April 19, 2002, at 23:52:13
In reply to Re: The new board, posted by Greg on April 19, 2002, at 21:35:26
Ah, Greg,
I see you are hunkering down ready to avoid any bullets, spit wads, and rotten veggies tossed in your direction due to thinking up the reunion board. I think we need a new acronym in addition to PBC (please be civil) and that is AAA (apologies all around). Sort of a blanket apology that gets you redemption.However....I am glad you had the idea of a reunion board, I am glad that it came to be, and I am sad that you would withhold your ideas because people would disagree with you.
Ain't NEVER EVER gonna mention an idea without that someone loves it, someone hates it, someone is offended by it, someone thinks it is racist, someone thinks it's sexist, someone thinks it is discriminatory in some other way, someone fears it, someone panics, someone doesn't care one way or another, and so on.
But, I hope that doesn't mean you'll stop verbalizing your ideas!!
You know I love you, Baby,
YIC
Posted by Phil on April 20, 2002, at 7:11:16
In reply to Re: The new board » Greg, posted by shar on April 19, 2002, at 23:52:13
I can't see any of the OT's just posting on one board. If one of us geezers actually say something provocative, it will spread like mad cow disease to the other boards.
I think we're old timers because we like being a part of the whole deal. And we're also old timers because: a. we like helping others b. We still need all the support we can get. I know I do.
Our topics this week at OTB are...Incontinence and amusement parks..a conundrum.
Copper headbands with magnets; hype or hope.
Golf is life; "I used to play with a stiff shaft."
Bus tours to Canada for medications(100's have signed on)
If I'm getting better, why am I so pissed off?
Polyester, sansi-belts, and sunglasses that totally wrap around your head.
Cadillac's and cataracts: Buckle up!!
and finally
Anyone seen my butt??
We're also kicking around:
Black tube socks, black shoes, bermuda shorts, and tank top t-shirts, the essence of style.
Oh, this one's BIG: Constipation in the 21st century, an abstract.
And, of course..put me in a nursing home and your ass is mine, boy.
Yall come visit.
Posted by Phil on April 20, 2002, at 7:35:25
In reply to Re: The new board, posted by Phil on April 20, 2002, at 7:11:16
Hydroponic's and the senior gardner. Or, hell no we're not sick, this is a cash crop. Plus, we like getting high.
Vegas or Viagra: Life on a fixed income.
Please, no more entertainment from church people. We want Ozzy.
I don't like the scooter but it gets me to the liquor store and head shop.
The year 2025 Stones Tour,"Kidney Stones across America."
Posted by DinahM on April 20, 2002, at 8:38:10
In reply to Re: And a few more, posted by Phil on April 20, 2002, at 7:35:25
I've been following the concept of a new board torn between amusement and irritation. Amusement finally won. What on earth is it anyway? There is nothing written on there that couldn't have been posted in Social. There isn't anything that couldn't have been replied to by the "old-timers" on Social, although admittedly they seem to feel more obligated to reply there since there are fewer posters. And the really funny part is that the whole board can be read by anyone, not just on any of the current boards but by anyone in cyberspace. The only difference is that they won't get responses from anyone who has been registered for less than a year - Wait - That's not true either. People can, and have already, responded to comments on the reunion board on Social. I suppose it's up to the old-timers whether they choose to read those responses or not, but that would be true even if all posts were on PSB. It will be kind of interesting to watch though. Will the old-timers respond to newbie comments on their posts in PSB or will that be considered a grave breach of etiquette and the rest of us will know that we should pretend we haven't read the other board.
So I'm left wondering the purpose of the new board. The only thing I can think of is that questions and comments by "old-timers" are grouped together and so you (and by you I mean "old-timers" and newbies) can read them in one place without scanning through a lot of posts. I've got no real problem with that.
In fact I have no problem with the entire concept. I just don't quite understand it.
By the way, I do think the old-timers are special. Anyone who can live through some of the unpleasantness and disruptive posters that occurred in the "good old days" deserves some recognition.
Posted by Fi on April 20, 2002, at 9:05:21
In reply to Remember chat is open to everyone » Fi, posted by jane d on April 19, 2002, at 22:41:34
Thanks for that. I know I could, and that its open to all of us, but thanks for being welcoming! I just havent got my act together to give it a try.
Fi
Posted by Krazy Kat on April 20, 2002, at 11:07:31
In reply to Gee, all we were doing was playing dominos.... (nm), posted by Phil on April 19, 2002, at 20:02:16
Posted by Krazy Kat on April 20, 2002, at 11:14:12
In reply to Babblers who play dominos... (nm) » Phil, posted by Krazy Kat on April 20, 2002, at 11:07:31
Posted by IsoM on April 20, 2002, at 12:22:11
In reply to Re: And a few more, posted by Phil on April 20, 2002, at 7:35:25
Thanks so, SO much, Phil! Even in my present state, those made me smile. Funny enough that I sent them as topics for discussion to a good friend my age (& she only lives a 1/2 mile away in real space). Those were really priceless. If you decide to write a book, can I proof-read it?
Now if those are going to be the sort of stuff you talk about on PB2000, I'll always be over there reading the posts.
Posted by shar on April 20, 2002, at 12:23:49
In reply to Re: The new board, posted by DinahM on April 20, 2002, at 8:38:10
One can never have enough laughs!
Shar
> I've been following the concept of a new board torn between amusement and irritation. Amusement finally won. What on earth is it anyway? There is nothing written on there that couldn't have been posted in Social. There isn't anything that couldn't have been replied to by the "old-timers" on Social, although admittedly they seem to feel more obligated to reply there since there are fewer posters. And the really funny part is that the whole board can be read by anyone, not just on any of the current boards but by anyone in cyberspace. The only difference is that they won't get responses from anyone who has been registered for less than a year - Wait - That's not true either. People can, and have already, responded to comments on the reunion board on Social. I suppose it's up to the old-timers whether they choose to read those responses or not, but that would be true even if all posts were on PSB. It will be kind of interesting to watch though. Will the old-timers respond to newbie comments on their posts in PSB or will that be considered a grave breach of etiquette and the rest of us will know that we should pretend we haven't read the other board.
> So I'm left wondering the purpose of the new board. The only thing I can think of is that questions and comments by "old-timers" are grouped together and so you (and by you I mean "old-timers" and newbies) can read them in one place without scanning through a lot of posts. I've got no real problem with that.
> In fact I have no problem with the entire concept. I just don't quite understand it.
> By the way, I do think the old-timers are special. Anyone who can live through some of the unpleasantness and disruptive posters that occurred in the "good old days" deserves some recognition.
Posted by CtrlAlt n Del on April 20, 2002, at 13:02:08
In reply to to be honest, i just feel left out... :() (nm), posted by Krazy Kat on April 20, 2002, at 11:14:12
Posted by Greg on April 20, 2002, at 13:02:56
In reply to Re: The new board » Greg, posted by shar on April 19, 2002, at 23:52:13
> Ah, Greg,
> I see you are hunkering down ready to avoid any bullets, spit wads, and rotten veggies tossed in your direction due to thinking up the reunion board. I think we need a new acronym in addition to PBC (please be civil) and that is AAA (apologies all around). Sort of a blanket apology that gets you redemption.
>
> However....I am glad you had the idea of a reunion board, I am glad that it came to be, and I am sad that you would withhold your ideas because people would disagree with you.
>
> Ain't NEVER EVER gonna mention an idea without that someone loves it, someone hates it, someone is offended by it, someone thinks it is racist, someone thinks it's sexist, someone thinks it is discriminatory in some other way, someone fears it, someone panics, someone doesn't care one way or another, and so on.
>
> But, I hope that doesn't mean you'll stop verbalizing your ideas!!
>
> You know I love you, Baby,
> YICMIC,
Thanks. I was extremely tired when I wrote what I did and when I'm that way I give up real easy, but you already knew that. That's probably why my kids wait to ask me for things they know I'll normally say no to until just before bedtime :)
As besides, I only have an idea about once every two or three years, so how much damage can I do?
Love you too,
GregPCI? (Poster Caves In)
Posted by Phil on April 20, 2002, at 15:36:41
In reply to Re: The new board » shar, posted by Greg on April 20, 2002, at 13:02:56
What time is bedtime. Me and Shar's gonna call you to borrow some money.
Posted by Greg on April 20, 2002, at 21:42:50
In reply to Re: Greg what time do you...Shar, posted by Phil on April 20, 2002, at 15:36:41
Posted by shar on April 21, 2002, at 2:31:09
In reply to Re: Greg what time do you...Shar, posted by Phil on April 20, 2002, at 15:36:41
Posted by Janelle on April 21, 2002, at 4:08:28
In reply to dr. b, others, hurt feeling and old timers board, posted by Krazy Kat on April 19, 2002, at 10:46:19
I'll get to that word in a moment, but first, okay, I'm coming out of self-imposed lurkerdom for this issue because I can't stand it anymore ... I can't remain silent any longer about something that has me SOOOOOO upset, angry, hurt, and confused - I do not like or understand this whole 2000 board, and I don't give a hoot who thinks I'm silly for feeling this way and who doesn't. I have a right to my FEELINGS - that's all they are is FEELINGS - and I have a right to vent them. Clearly lots of others here have done so.
In a word, the 2000 board has created a CLIQUE, which imo is abhorrent and juvenile (geez, it harkens back to junior high and high school days).
I cannot believe what I've just read here - that people are actually be BLOCKED from posting on the old timers/200 board. Huh? So, now there's the CLIQUE of INSIDERS, the inner circle, the inner sanctum and there's the OUTSIDERS, those who are literally BLOCKED OUT. This is ABSURD.
And even if I was not one of the outsiders, the blocked ones, none of my feelings would change - I do not understand why there is any BLOCKING on what is supposed to be a mutually supportive and undersanding community. It angers me, it offends me, and it hurts my feelings. I'm outraged by the hypocrisy of it - this kind of closed set up in a place that is supposed to be a supportive, caring, open forum?
The formation of an EXCLUSIONARY board, with membership limited to a CLIQUE of INSIDERS who have a special board/place for them just because of when they started posting is LUDICROUS and goes against the grain of what these boards were set up to do in the first place. It is UNsupportive and UNcaring; it is just plain mean.
And, what kind of reason is the time (year) that people first posted for forming a whole new board when PSB could have a regular OT post put up by whatever OT decided to do it??
Sorry, folks, I do not understand the reason(s) for the 2000 board to begin with when there are other venues (PSB, chat, e-mail) for OT's to catch up, share experiences, whateve. The formation of a board with limited membership makes NO sense to me. It seems hypocritical with regard to the original purpose of the PB community.
Even if I was a member of the *inner circle,* for the 2000 board, I would not post on that board, I would not want to be associated with such a revolting concept.
Yes, I'll admit that I feel left out (I certainly have a right to after all), but this pales in comparison to the other feelings I've expressed here. I'm going to be investigating other psychiatric message boards because PB is certainly NOT the same place I first joined. (and I originally joined about year ago, stopped posting, then had to re-register recently). I don't want to leave here (the info I've learned and people have been wonderful) ... I just hope I can get past some of these feelings. They're very raw right now.
Thanks to whoever might read this.
Posted by beardedlady on April 21, 2002, at 5:17:12
In reply to In a word, the new board creates a ..., posted by Janelle on April 21, 2002, at 4:08:28
I know people have a right to their own feelings and all, but I don't understand why the board is such a big deal! We are excluded from so many things in life (I gave a bunch of examples in my previous post, but I guess those clubs weren't the ones people wanted to belong to anyway. I mean, the Boy Scouts?!). But we haven't been excluded from the boards we've been using; another has been added that we didn't have before to be included in or excluded from.
I'm really not criticizing anyone; hurt feelings are beyond our control. I just want to make those who are fretting about this feel better and understand that the same people are still here. We haven't lost a thing.
So let's work on making PSB even better. Hell, we can talk about our bowel habits as well as the next guy.
beardy : )>
Posted by Janelle on April 21, 2002, at 5:23:59
In reply to In a word, the new board creates a ..., posted by Janelle on April 21, 2002, at 4:08:28
I read somewhere on here that outsiders (sorry, but that is what those who are not *allowed* to post on the 2000 board are) can respond to messages they see on the 2000 board by cross posting to PSB -- first, I'm not even sure how to do that (not that I would anyway), but second, are those who frequent the 2000 board really going to think to check both the 2000 board AND PSB for responses to what they post on 2000 board? Gimme a break. The chances of an outsider receiving a response to something they cross post on PSB seem slim imo.
Well, now the concept of the 2000 board has become laughable in addition to the adjectives I used above.
Posted by Bekka H. on April 21, 2002, at 9:29:59
In reply to In a word, the new board creates a ..., posted by Janelle on April 21, 2002, at 4:08:28
Hi Janelle,
I agree with everything you said. A clique was the first thing that came to my mind when I learned about the existence of this exclusionary group. I am also looking into other venues for support now, because it is clear that this is not the group I thought it was when I joined several months ago. I will probably continue to post and read here, but my feelings about PB have permanently changed, and I am appalled that Dr. Bob would allow and condone the OT board. I find it very worrisome that Dr. Bob, a psychiatrist, trained in mental health and human behavior, does not seem to see through what is going on here.
Bekka
Posted by Phil on April 21, 2002, at 9:39:29
In reply to And one more thing!, posted by Janelle on April 21, 2002, at 5:23:59
You know, I tell all my friends, what..2? that I am a prestigious member of an old timers board for mentally ill people. They are GREEN with envy.
I mean, PB is a clique. Can I post here if I segway into Parkinson's?
I've been here since there were a couple dozen posters. This board has grown so much. I went thru a few periods of not posting because I didn't know anyone and the board was refreshing faster than I could post.
I don't think it hurts to spread out a bit. I don't want to talk to old timers all the time. PSB is the best thing to come along in a long time and psycho-babble, as far as anything on the internet, is the best there is. Show me anything
operated better. Show me another site Dr. Goldberg pops in to answer a question.
Who cares if a few old farts want to go to the
VFW hall and tell a few lies or have a 50 post thread on Erectile Dysfunction and another on constipation.We are all lucky to have this site at all. True to form(me included), depressed people see what they don't have, not what they have left. Focus on YOUR RECOVERY, YOUR getting well, YOUR helping others and, sometimes the hardest thing of all, YOUR being able to accept help. You will forget all about a new board.
Let it go, grasshoppa...
Posted by CtrlAlt n Del on April 21, 2002, at 9:49:56
In reply to Gosh!, posted by beardedlady on April 21, 2002, at 5:17:12
Hell, we can talk about our bowel habits as well as the next guy.
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%but maybe someone has a suppository handy ...but the sphincture's closed : )
Dr.Eamer universal psychiatrist live and unplugged
Posted by Phil on April 21, 2002, at 10:04:32
In reply to In a word, the new board creates a - Janelle, posted by Bekka H. on April 21, 2002, at 9:29:59
I'm not very opinionated really, I like telling jokes more than dealing with administrative stuff.
But I could not disagree more with you. Wanna go somewhere else? That's your choice. Please let me know when you find this quality of information somewhere else.
I thought PB was going to hell when so many new people came on board. It didn't, it got better.
I could care less if there's an old timers board or not. But it's there and it is kinda nice sometimes to see a name you've known for years.
You've been here several months, an old timers board pops up and now IT'S ALL GOING TO HELL.
I'm sorry, I don't get it.
There was only 1 board to begin with. If the old timers get run outta town because they tried the experiment, that would be a shame. We're OT's because we still need help and still like to help.Let's move on...when's the new Celexa gonna hit?
I ate a pizza and drank 15 imported beers on Nardil, as I write this my head is splitting. I have a craving for beef jerky, will that help my headache?
Here's my combo...Celexa, Demerol, Nardil, Dexedrine, Klonopin, Amitriptyline, and X. I haven't been feeling well....
Posted by beardedlady on April 21, 2002, at 10:30:55
In reply to Re: And one more thing!, posted by Phil on April 21, 2002, at 9:39:29
Posted by IsoM on April 21, 2002, at 12:39:39
In reply to And one more thing!, posted by Janelle on April 21, 2002, at 5:23:59
Sweet Janelle (I do think of you as sweet), yes, the old-timers DO respond to inquiries on other boards. I find that these old-timers are among the most patient & dear of the forum. They've been here for ages, weathered all sorts of horrible things & yet still come back to support & help others. Here's how to answer a post & then get it into another board:
1. Okay, when you're ready to post a reply (no matter what board you're in), there's a horizontal line above with 'Enter your post' in large bold letters.
2. The first thing underneath that is the word 'Board:' alongside a drop-down field (fields are what those white blank spaces we type in - like this message I'm typing now in the large blank field).
3. If you click on the little down-pointing arrowhead, it'll open up a mini-menu of the other boards of Dr. Bob's forum.
4. You can type an answer here like I'm doing in PB Admin, but select another board (from the drop-down menu) to have the answer show in. Your response will show only in the board you've selected it to be in.
That's it! Simple once someone tells you the steps. Try it with the word 'test' a few times to check it out.
Posted by IsoM on April 21, 2002, at 12:50:40
In reply to Gosh!, posted by beardedlady on April 21, 2002, at 5:17:12
Right, Beire-dei, not all things we're excluded from are worth getting into. A funny case in point.
Being ADHD, I can sometimes see the most obscure things while missing the obvious. Years ago, my girl-friend & I were travelling a few hundred miles someplace in her old car. We both needed to pee desperately & when a gas station came in sight, we wheeled in. (No, there were no bushes or anything else to empty ourselves!)
The gas station was pretty run-down looking but we needed to go so bad, that we grabbed the key handed us without looking at it & went to the washroom door. Trouble is, it was the key to the men's washroom, not the women's, & we were practically peeing our pants. Inside we went & made sure we locked the door so no guy would come in. We gazed around in horror, thinking how the h--- were we going to pee in those??!! And everything was so dirty! Instead of facing the urinal like men do, we turned about & leaning way forward, with butt in air, managed to empty ourselves without splashing all over our legs. :-P We made doubly sure not to touch anything too.
When we talk about that now, we crack up. Somethings really ARE meant to be exclusive.
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 21, 2002, at 13:35:40
In reply to In a word, the new board creates a ..., posted by Janelle on April 21, 2002, at 4:08:28
> That still doesn't really address the issue. I'm not going to post there now (she says defiantly, then the next day, there's a hello from "Kingfish" :)).
Sorry, what issue?
In general, "multiple identities" tends to be a problem here, so I'd rather transfer your "membership" to Krazy Kat. I hope that's OK.
> I don't care if folks have their own groups... I Do think it's more appropriate elsewhere.
Why so?
> I think Fi summed it up best - it's just become much more complicated than it was.
>
> - kkI know. Oh, those simple days of yore. :-)
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> In a word, the 2000 board has created a CLIQUE, which imo is abhorrent and juvenile (geez, it harkens back to junior high and high school days).
"Clique" does have negative connotations, but as Phil says, PB itself could be seen as a clique. And in fact has been.
> I cannot believe what I've just read here - that people are actually be BLOCKED from posting on the old timers/200 board. Huh? So, now there's the CLIQUE of INSIDERS, the inner circle, the inner sanctum and there's the OUTSIDERS, those who are literally BLOCKED OUT. This is ABSURD.
This was discussed some before:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20020308/msgs/4185.html
> I don't want to leave here (the info I've learned and people have been wonderful) ... I just hope I can get past some of these feelings. They're very raw right now.
>
> JanelleI appreciate that.
I do want to see if this can work and want continued input, so my intention is *not* to deflect criticism, but I do also wonder, maybe this is harder for people who've been neglected in the past?
Bob
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