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Posted by Janelle on April 13, 2002, at 2:44:03
In reply to Also, don't like idea of exclusion, losing OT info (nm), posted by Janelle on April 13, 2002, at 2:41:17
Posted by Shar on April 13, 2002, at 12:15:12
In reply to Re: Reunion Board NE Ignoring PSB » Shar, posted by Greg on April 12, 2002, at 17:30:43
Greg, please be civil, you know there is a long standing rule about name calling, and you'll have to be punished now. I'll think of some way to punish you (I hope I can find something you won't enjoy too much) and get back to you.
NE is a Boolean operator meaning 'not equal.' Like an equal sign with a slash through it.
It is my shortcut way of saying a reunion board is not going to lead to people ignoring PB and PSB. But I couldn't fit all that in the title.
I don't think people talking to each other on a different board will ruin PSB forever. I do think it is useful to be able to talk to people you have a history with in a somewhat more focused environment.
Plus, everybody can read whatever's said there.
xoxo
YIC
Posted by Shar on April 13, 2002, at 12:40:59
In reply to Also, don't like idea of exclusion, losing OT info (nm), posted by Janelle on April 13, 2002, at 2:41:17
Posted by Mitchell on April 13, 2002, at 14:10:34
In reply to Dr. Bob, the Old-Timers board?, posted by Greg on May 28, 2001, at 14:46:17
I've read the above posts, but I still don't understand what is supportive or educational about a public forum where, because of their status some people can only listen and not speak, but where others, because of their status in a group, can speak publically without having to afford others an opportunity to respond.
Posted by shelliR on April 13, 2002, at 15:39:06
In reply to Re: More on Old Timers Board, posted by Dr. Bob on April 6, 2002, at 20:14:44
<What about basing it on degree of participation? Like a frequent flier program? That would take into account length of participation, since the longer someone's here, the more they
participate. And it would be an incentive to participate. Yes, new people would be added. At least as long as there weren't too many old-timers!>
Under that criteria, bobb and some other other annoying (destructive) people who posted non-stop would be rewarded for flooding the board. I would rather see the longevity of posters be taken into consideration rather the number of posts. On a good (bad?) day someone going though a manic phrase could score about twenty posts toward frequent poster status. Well, anyone could.Personally, I rather see the focus go back to a reunion board: sounds less offensive and non-competitive with the other boards. And maybe even an open one. (Why would new people want to go to a reunion?)
Shelli
Posted by Janelle on April 13, 2002, at 16:25:29
In reply to Not losing OT info...Everybody can read posts (nm) » Janelle, posted by Shar on April 13, 2002, at 12:40:59
That's not very nice or supportive. See Mitchell's post. ITA with what he has said regarding this aspect and couldn't put it any better.
Posted by Janelle on April 13, 2002, at 16:27:13
In reply to Not losing OT info...Everybody can read posts (nm) » Janelle, posted by Shar on April 13, 2002, at 12:40:59
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 13, 2002, at 17:04:25
In reply to Re: More on Old Timers Board » Dr. Bob, posted by shelliR on April 13, 2002, at 15:39:06
> > What about basing it on degree of participation?
>
> Under that criteria, bobb and some other other annoying (destructive) people who posted non-stop would be rewarded for flooding the board.That's a good point. But people who were blocked could be ineligible or have their degree of participation reset or something...
> I would rather see the longevity of posters be taken into consideration rather the number of posts.
Hmm, I like the incentive aspect of a frequent fliers approach, but thinking of class-type reunions, you do get invited back no matter how active a member of your class you were...
Maybe the way to go would be in both directions. A single "frequent posters" board, whose members would change over time, and a number of "class of xxx" boards, whose members would be those who registered during those years?
> maybe even an open [board]. (Why would new people want to go to a reunion?)
People have all sorts of motivations. Why do unsupportive people go to support groups?
Bob
Posted by Mitchell on April 13, 2002, at 18:02:49
In reply to Re: More on Old Timers Board » Dr. Bob, posted by shelliR on April 13, 2002, at 15:39:06
> Under that criteria, bobb and some other other annoying (destructive) people who posted non-stop would be rewarded for flooding the board.Is it okay to make accusations about people who no longer maintain a user name on this board? What is annoying to one person might be educational to others. The archives contain numerous posts by people recognizing the supportive nature of the poster named here, and supporting continued contribution by a character who was eventually hounded out of the group.
Posted by shelliR on April 13, 2002, at 18:33:54
In reply to Re: More on Old Timers Board, posted by Mitchell on April 13, 2002, at 18:02:49
This was a guy (gal) who was censored over and over, but kept coming back under different names during the period he was blocked.
He was playing the board like a game without rules; it is hard for me to think anyone learned from him. And actually if he read my post he'd probably be happy his memory is still in tact.
But I will try to refrain from using specific examples and names of people who are not here to defend themselves in the future.
Shelli
Posted by Mitchell on April 13, 2002, at 20:37:50
In reply to Re: More on Old Timers Board » Mitchell, posted by shelliR on April 13, 2002, at 18:33:54
Posted by Janelle on April 13, 2002, at 23:45:22
In reply to Re: More on Old Timers Board, posted by Dr. Bob on April 13, 2002, at 17:04:25
>mm, I like the incentive aspect of a frequent fliers approach, but thinking of class-type reunions, you do get invited back no matter how active a member of your class you were...
I do NOT like the frequent fliers approach - imho, it discriminates against posters who due to time constraints, illness, etc. are, for reasons beyond their control, simply unable to post frequently, even though they might want to.
Why should frequent posters be rewarded with their own special board just because they post a lot? IMHO, this hardly constitutes a reason for setting up a whole new, special board that would be exclusionary to non-frequent posters.
Sorry, but I just do NOT see any reason(s) whatsoever for fractionating (word?) what is a COHESIVE, solid and well-run system just the way it is. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"
All you're going to do by creating some separate boards, each with limited membership, is divide the current COMMUNITY into factions and disrupt the nice, smooth flow of things.
JMVHO.
Posted by Mark H. on April 14, 2002, at 1:16:21
In reply to Re: More on Old Timers Board » Dr. Bob, posted by Janelle on April 13, 2002, at 23:45:22
I'm active in a home recording forum, and all posts show the person's on-line name, location (optional but interesting), when they joined the board (first posted), and how many times they have posted.
Contributors are identified as "newbies" until they've posted 50 times, I think, then "jr. members" until 100, when they become "sr. members." There are special designations for people with thousands of posts!
While the designations are not ALWAYS helpful (an old-timer turns sour, or a newbie arrives with tons of experience), in general it helps establish an immediate sense of where someone "belongs" in the community.
This helps in a number of ways. If a person is a newbie, longer-term members cut them much more slack when asking questions that may have been answered many times before or not be very well thought out. Likewise, if an old-timer starts spouting off, it's much more likely that other senior members will step in to tell him to "knock it off" and "take it easy" on newcomers.
As I said, it's not fool-proof, but it does help, and it's one possible altervative to further dividing the board.
If anyone cares to take a look at the layout and style, here's a link to an especially good thread on types of microphones: :-)
http://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27030
Best wishes,
Mark H.
Posted by Mitchell on April 14, 2002, at 12:14:05
In reply to Simple Alternative to Separate Board?, posted by Mark H. on April 14, 2002, at 1:16:21
Mark,
Do you know whose .php script that is? It seems to be a prefered script over the ultimateBBS. My guess is that the minimalist appearance and simplicity of the Matts perl used here will not easily be eclipsed by the flexibility of the php, but that php board does have some cool features - like buddy lists, private messages and ignore.
I wonder if there is a way to add member information to the Matt's perl. The data about number of posts is apparently stored somewhere in the system; I wonder if there would be a way to make it appear on posts, or to let readers access that data. But then, even if it is just minimal information about participation habits, that is more information about themselves people would have to offer to participate here.
Posted by judy1 on April 14, 2002, at 14:10:18
In reply to Re: More on Old Timers Board, posted by Dr. Bob on April 2, 2002, at 19:37:48
I think Dr. Bob accessed my post on PSB for this thread (although I know this has come up before) but my reason for posting was to point out the degree of negativity compared to 2 years ago. As Greg pointed out this could be due to the increased number of posters- do you keep some kind of graph of # of posters vs # of blocks Dr. Bob? Also, there were some selfish reasons, to see if some of the old posters were still lurking, and happily (for me) they are. Finally, I guess I consider this a 'medium' of moderated boards, I belong to one that's heavily moderated for child abuse victims (where the list of rules makes this one absolutely pale in comparison) and those wide open ones, where I think the people who are repeated blocked here go and are welcomed with open arms. For someone as sensitive as I am, I'm grateful for the real life quality of this board and the relative safety it affords. I liked some of Mark's suggestions- I've seen them before, but it still doesn't address the posters who come here deliberately to hurt (and that has to be a full-time job to monitor them, and I'm sure Dr. Bob already has a full-time job. So I guess the idea of an 'old-timer' board was (for me) a place of safety. Take care, judy
Posted by Lini on April 14, 2002, at 15:00:08
In reply to just some thoughts..., posted by judy1 on April 14, 2002, at 14:10:18
What do you think about the idea of each person being able to selectivly ignore a poster? As I mentioned before, BusinessWeek does this with their board and it works great - that way, if someone doesn't enjoy a person's perspective, they never have to read any messages from them. In effect, OTs could create their own board by only choosing each other to receive/read messages from and ignoring everyone else - AND, I wouldn't have to know about it :) (and therefore be offended)
You seem to advocate an OT's board . . .why?
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 14, 2002, at 19:27:21
In reply to Question for Dr. Bob, posted by Lini on April 14, 2002, at 15:00:08
> I wonder if there is a way to add member information to the Matt's perl.
>
> MitchellAnything's possible. One way to do it would be to include it in the poster's profile, for more on that, see:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20020308/msgs/3723.html
Maybe it would be optional. I'm not inclined to include it with every post. I do like "minimalist", and I'm not sure about labeling posters so prominently. Also:
> This helps in a number of ways. If a person is a newbie, longer-term members cut them much more slack when asking questions that may have been answered many times before or not be very well thought out. Likewise, if an old-timer starts spouting off, it's much more likely that other senior members will step in to tell him to "knock it off" and "take it easy" on newcomers.
>
> Mark H.Shouldn't *everybody* be cut the slack they need? And wouldn't it be nice if others stepped in if *anybody* started "spouting off"?
> What do you think about the idea of each person being able to selectivly ignore a poster?
>
> LiniI think that's a great idea. In fact, it's already implemented here: just don't click on the link! :-) Seriously, this is an advantage of giving each post its own page, as oppposed to collecting threads together.
Bob
Posted by Shar on April 14, 2002, at 19:44:57
In reply to Re: More on Old Timers Board, posted by Dr. Bob on April 14, 2002, at 19:27:21
It's been a year (as Greg pointed out) since this was brought up, why don't we just do it!
Have a reunion board. Anyone can post, anyone can read.
If people get disruptive, we can always go running to dad...er, Dr. Bob.
Dr. Bob--do you have concerns about having to monitor a new board? Will it add to your work load a lot?
Shar
Posted by Greg on April 14, 2002, at 21:10:41
In reply to It's been a year now...can we just try it?!, posted by Shar on April 14, 2002, at 19:44:57
Really, this was just intended to be a place for old friends to get together, see what we've all been up to and talk about old times. But it's degraded to talk of division, new people being ignored, segregation and exclusion. It's simply not worth it. Despite what anybody on this board might think, none of those things ever entered my my mind when I first brought this up and those thoughts are not there today. This type of discussion assumes too much and is offensive.
Let's just give the Reunion Board a try, open it up to everybody and get rolling with it. Personally, I don't think it will be successful in this format, but we'll see. I hope I'm wrong.
Greg
> It's been a year (as Greg pointed out) since this was brought up, why don't we just do it!
>
> Have a reunion board. Anyone can post, anyone can read.
>
> If people get disruptive, we can always go running to dad...er, Dr. Bob.
>
> Dr. Bob--do you have concerns about having to monitor a new board? Will it add to your work load a lot?
>
> Shar
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 15, 2002, at 9:30:18
In reply to Re: It's been a year now...can we just try it?!, posted by Greg on April 14, 2002, at 21:10:41
> Let's just give the Reunion Board a try, open it up to everybody and get rolling with it. Personally, I don't think it will be successful in this format, but we'll see. I hope I'm wrong.
In which format don't you think it'll be successful?
I do think it's worth giving a try, but my inclination is not to leave it completely open. Since what would distinguish it from PSB then?
So I'll have to do some tinkering to deal with access issues.
And I'm still thinking about a number of "class of xxx" boards instead of just one reunion board. And what to do about ancient history, B.R. (before registration).
> > do you have concerns about having to monitor a new board? Will it add to your work load a lot?
It'll only to my work load if it takes off! :-) Or if there are lots of complaints. :-(
Bob
Posted by Willow on April 15, 2002, at 12:08:51
In reply to It's been a year now...can we just try it?!, posted by Shar on April 14, 2002, at 19:44:57
> Dr. Bob--do you have concerns about having to monitor a new board? Will it add to your work load a lot?
Should such a board ever get off the ground I would like it to be monitored by the members of the board. I believe that this would be more supportive for the individuals. Talking from my own viewpoint, if one of my close cyber bodies points out a trait of mine even in a blunt manner I do think in the long run I would end up reflecting on the merits of it. And I also would have the option of ignoring the poster.
Who would get on the board? The Boss could start off a group of 20 or 50 posters, and after that the group could figure out a way of adding others. Once you've been added it would be like the Hotel California, there's no exit.
I can't imagine such a board being quieter than the tele-psycho board!
Just some of my many opinions!
Wanting Willow
ps boss what's with the link to internet dating? i've had no luck on this board! i think i'll stick to real men, cyber hugs just don't cut it
Posted by Lini on April 15, 2002, at 17:03:58
In reply to Re: It's been a year now...can we just try it?!, posted by Greg on April 14, 2002, at 21:10:41
at the risk of beating a dead horse (what an awful phrase!) My opinions about a "reunion" board are simply opinions about a reunion board, nothing against you personally Greg for bringing it up. I just thought people would want to know how some of us feel about its creation, which is not positive or supported . . . but it seems like Dr. Bob is gung ho to get it going, and to have it be limited to certain people, so best of luck with it, hope it accomplishes what you want it to.
I have to ask though - Dr. Bob, is a reunion board more conducive to your research in some way?
Posted by CtrlAlt n Del on April 15, 2002, at 20:02:28
In reply to Re: It's been a year now... (and my thoughts), posted by Willow on April 15, 2002, at 12:08:51
> ps boss what's with the link to internet dating? i've had no luck on this board! i think i'll stick to real men, cyber hugs just don't cut it
(\/)
(';')
(")(")_ the little bunny agrees
Posted by Willow on April 15, 2002, at 20:58:54
In reply to Re: It's been a year now... (and my thoughts), posted by CtrlAlt n Del on April 15, 2002, at 20:02:28
Posted by IsoM on April 15, 2002, at 21:06:04
In reply to Re: It's been a year now... (and my thoughts), posted by CtrlAlt n Del on April 15, 2002, at 20:02:28
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