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Posted by Dr. Bob on December 13, 2001, at 15:54:15
[actually in reply to http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20010718/msgs/2444.html]
> I think what you are seeing is a reluctance for people to move boards. I certainly feel more comfortable on the med board and I know many feel similarly about PSB.
Hmm, maybe that's it. So it's not one community talking about one thing here and another thing there, but two separate (but overlapping) communities?
I keep wondering about expanding, you know... What if there were a second medication board that wasn't focused on a particular type of medication or a particular type of problem, but was just a separate, different, community? With different people and maybe a different "culture"?
My concern has been that there would be a lot of cross-posting (people asking the same questions on both boards), but (1) maybe they'd just ask on the board they were more comfortable with, and (2) I could try to make it so that people could only join one or the other.
Just throwing out an idea...
Bob
Posted by susan C on December 13, 2001, at 18:10:38
In reply to Separate communities?, posted by Dr. Bob on December 13, 2001, at 15:54:15
> [actually in reply to http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20010718/msgs/2444.html]
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> > I think what you are seeing is a reluctance for people to move boards. I certainly feel more comfortable on the med board and I know many feel similarly about PSB.
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> Hmm, maybe that's it. So it's not one community talking about one thing here and another thing there, but two separate (but overlapping) communities?
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> I keep wondering about expanding, you know... What if there were a second medication board that wasn't focused on a particular type of medication or a particular type of problem, but was just a separate, different, community? With different people and maybe a different "culture"?
>
> My concern has been that there would be a lot of cross-posting (people asking the same questions on both boards), but (1) maybe they'd just ask on the board they were more comfortable with, and (2) I could try to make it so that people could only join one or the other.
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> Just throwing out an idea...
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> Bob
Dear DrdashbobI recommend 'throwing out the idea'-Do you really want more to do? (see above)
I think sometimes PB threads just get too serious and someone has to lighten up. and I must admit to 'sneaking' a non med post in here or there in PB and a med post in PBS there and here...mainly, because i am not sure which one is the most appropriate. I think having a third choice would make for more difficult decision making on my part.
I think you are doing a fine job of just enough traffic patrol.
an appreciative mouse
sc
Posted by stjames on December 13, 2001, at 18:54:44
In reply to Separate communities?, posted by Dr. Bob on December 13, 2001, at 15:54:15
Many bitched about the social board, but now it is popular. Put up another one, give it the same test of fire.
Posted by JahL on December 13, 2001, at 18:59:37
In reply to Re: Separate communities?, posted by susan C on December 13, 2001, at 18:10:38
> > I keep wondering about expanding, you know... What if there were a second medication board that wasn't focused on a particular type of medication or a particular type of problem, but was just a separate, different, community? With different people and maybe a different "culture"?> I recommend 'throwing out the idea'-Do you really want more to do? (see above)
I kinda agree with Susan. What you propose sounds complicated and I'm not sure if anyone should be excluded from a board (" I could try to make it so that people could only join one or the other.")
I'm not sure there's a problem as such, just smaller communities existing peacefully w/in a larger one.
J.
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 15, 2001, at 13:19:21
In reply to Re: Separate communities?, posted by stjames on December 13, 2001, at 18:54:44
> Many bitched about the social board, but now it is popular. Put up another one, give it the same test of fire.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained? I'll have to think more about how exactly to implement it. Hmm, what should it be called?
Bob
Posted by mist on December 15, 2001, at 14:03:26
In reply to Separate communities?, posted by Dr. Bob on December 13, 2001, at 15:54:15
> I keep wondering about expanding, you know... What if there were a second medication board that wasn't focused on a particular type of medication or a particular type of problem, but was just a separate, different, community? With different people and maybe a different "culture"?
> Bob
Dr. Bob, I'm not sure what you mean by this. It's not clear to me what the purpose of this new board would be or why it's needed. -mist
Posted by stjames on December 15, 2001, at 20:05:18
In reply to Re: Separate communities?, posted by Dr. Bob on December 15, 2001, at 13:19:21
Hmm, what should it be called?
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> BobOr what do we want to discuss. I like the idea of an "Advanced" area (but that is the last think you want to call it !) where newer, complex issues can be discussed, link could be posted and people would actually read them and discuss. Like the "old timers" discussed in the past. No restrictions, or course.
Or a psychology board. Social does fill this need
at present, but this board is oft dised for being to med related.Those are my ideas, lets brain storm !
Posted by JahL on December 15, 2001, at 20:38:15
In reply to Re: Separate communities?, posted by stjames on December 15, 2001, at 20:05:18
> I like the idea of an "Advanced" area (but that is the last think you want to call it !) where newer, complex issues can be discussed, link could be posted and people would actually read them and discuss. Like the "old timers" discussed in the past. No restrictions, or course.
I don't know how divisive this might be (ie would you get a 'brain-drain' from the central board?) but this idea has legs. There used to be a lot of complex discussion on novel treatments and the like. Right now I need ideas. I guess you'd need a critical mass of 'experts' to make it work?
J.
Posted by stjames on December 15, 2001, at 21:08:58
In reply to Re: new board, posted by JahL on December 15, 2001, at 20:38:15
> I don't know how divisive this might be (ie would you get a 'brain-drain' from the central board?) but this idea has legs. There used to be a lot of complex discussion on novel treatments and the like. Right now I need ideas. I guess you'd need a critical mass of 'experts' to make it work?
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> J.I think we have several who are comfortable with discussing this, already. Cam and I often discuss things by private e-mail, it would be nice to have this on the board. I count several others who seem to be intrested in these issues and well read.
Dos and other experts might be more willing to discuss theory, when asked as guests.
Dr Bob, you mentioned psydoc, what is up with this ? When will he post ?
Posted by Cam W. on December 16, 2001, at 0:44:16
In reply to Re: Separate communities?, posted by stjames on December 15, 2001, at 20:05:18
James - I like the idea of an advanced board. I don't think that we should limit it specifically to meds, but include advances in neuroscience (eg. neural correlates of cognition, or hippocampal plasticity, etc.). We could put our heads together and see what new avenues can be explored in terms of potential treatments. Why should all the ivory tower geeks have all the fun. Hell, who knows, perhaps some big name will steal our ideas, and we will see them in print (then we can say, "Ya know, we thought of that, and that b*st**d stole it!"). That would be fun.
I can see one problem: NewAgeism ('nuff said)
What would we call it?
The Deep See
Deeper Than Whale Sh**
Beyond Medication
The Illuminati (no, that's been taken)
The Psychrometer
Beyond Psycho-Babble
Psychonauts
Psychopatholetes (I like this one)
Psychosomatography
Pseudo-Babble- Cam
Posted by susan C on December 16, 2001, at 20:11:48
In reply to Re: Separate communities? » stjames, posted by Cam W. on December 16, 2001, at 0:44:16
> James - I like the idea of an advanced board. I don't think that we should limit it specifically to meds, but include advances in neuroscience (eg. neural correlates of cognition, or hippocampal plasticity, etc.). We could put our heads together and see what new avenues can be explored in terms of potential treatments. Why should all the ivory tower geeks have all the fun. Hell, who knows, perhaps some big name will steal our ideas, and we will see them in print (then we can say, "Ya know, we thought of that, and that b*st**d stole it!"). That would be fun.
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> I can see one problem: NewAgeism ('nuff said)
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> What would we call it?
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> The Deep See
> Deeper Than Whale Sh**
> Beyond Medication
> The Illuminati (no, that's been taken)
> The Psychrometer
> Beyond Psycho-Babble
> Psychonauts
> Psychopatholetes (I like this one)
> Psychosomatography
> Pseudo-BabbleWhere is Latin Paxvox when you need him...
neuro psycho tides
Post Graduate Babble (PGB)mouse with short legs trying to catch up
sc
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 16, 2001, at 23:03:39
In reply to Re: new board, posted by stjames on December 15, 2001, at 21:08:58
> > I keep wondering about expanding, you know... What if there were a second medication board that wasn't focused on a particular type of medication or a particular type of problem, but was just a separate, different, community? With different people and maybe a different "culture"?
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by this. It's not clear to me what the purpose of this new board would be or why it's needed.I don't know that it's *needed*, it would just be a way to expand. A new territory to settle.
> I like the idea of an "Advanced" area> Cam and I often discuss things by private e-mail, it would be nice to have this on the board.
My original idea was for it just to be a second medication board, without any particular focus. I'm not sure how an "Advanced" board would fit in. Can't "advanced" issues just be brought up on PB?
> Or a psychology board.
But I have in fact also been thinking about separating the "being social" and "psychology" parts of PSB, maybe that makes more sense...
> you mentioned psydoc, what is up with this ? When will he post ?
He already posted, don't tell me you missed it!
Bob
Posted by stjames on December 16, 2001, at 23:06:57
In reply to Re: Separate communities?, posted by susan C on December 16, 2001, at 20:11:48
I like Psychonauts, it is also sometimes used to describe a psychedelic explorer. neuro psycho tides is very clever, too !
Posted by Shar on December 17, 2001, at 14:36:09
In reply to Re: Separate communities?, posted by stjames on December 16, 2001, at 23:06:57
I think a second general meds-related board would probably turn into another board where the same questions are asked time and again (have you noticed that even on one board there can be 2-3 threads about "I'm starting Effexor, what should I expect?"). Or what to do about sleeplessness, or too much sedation/sleep, or weight gain, or weight loss, or constipation, or diarrhea, etc.
And, the archives probably contain hundreds of "I'm starting Effexor...." threads.
I would look forward to a board that could, for example, focus in on the different combos people take, and how the meds might interact. For example, within certain boundaries, and based on the proposed action of the med, what could one reasonably expect from the combo of Nortrip and Wellbutrin? That is the type of thing I'm talking about.
More ideas....The latest on treatment resistant depression; new meds or meds being tested; meds that are being used successfully but were not originally designed for depression; to what extent are people returning to tricyclics and MAOIs, after stints with the "new" ssri-type meds; and I'm always up for more advanced info even though I may not understand it all.
And, I wouldn't mind a board that addressed the fact that this condition is not for the squeamish. I think at times on PsychoBabble, people tend to be particularly hopeful for the sake of the newbies. I know that people who have dealt with depression/bi-polar/etc. for years and through many meds can offer a different perspective that I would like to hear.
And, lively debates could take place over some of the approaches taken in practice.
Names?
PsychoRabble
PsychoDabble
Nerdvana (from Dilbert cartoon)
Today's Psycho(tic)
Psycho and Beyond
Trends in Psychosis
Trendy Psychotics
...ok, I'm rambling...Psycho RamblerShar
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 17, 2001, at 17:45:15
In reply to Re: Separate communities? Might be good, posted by Shar on December 17, 2001, at 14:36:09
> I think a second general meds-related board would probably turn into another board where the same questions are asked time and again
Right. It would be like driving out a ways and starting a new town. It would have to have a grocery store, just like the old town did. It might have a lot of similarities. But still some people might prefer it...
> I would look forward to a board that could, for example, focus in on the different combos people take, and how the meds might interact.
Hey, there's an idea! One thing I like about it is it would be easy to decide which posts were appropriate for which board. :-)
Bob
Posted by Dinah on December 17, 2001, at 19:55:25
In reply to Re: new board?, posted by Dr. Bob on December 16, 2001, at 23:03:39
> But I have in fact also been thinking about separating the "being social" and "psychology" parts of PSB, maybe that makes more sense...
>
How would that work? One thing I like about PSB is that it isn't overwhelming in the number of posts and so can easily be absorbed by my concentration challenged brain. I can understand the separation between med and non-med but what would the separation be here?
Maybe I'm just being dense.
Posted by akc on December 18, 2001, at 6:31:41
In reply to Re: new board? » Dr. Bob, posted by Dinah on December 17, 2001, at 19:55:25
Maybe it should be a board just for posts on Effexor.
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 18, 2001, at 20:37:20
In reply to Re: new board?, posted by akc on December 18, 2001, at 6:31:41
> > But I have in fact also been thinking about separating the "being social" and "psychology" parts of PSB, maybe that makes more sense...
>
> How would that work? One thing I like about PSB is that it isn't overwhelming in the number of posts and so can easily be absorbed by my concentration challenged brain. I can understand the separation between med and non-med but what would the separation be here?Sorry, I didn't explain that very well... My idea was to split up PSB, into, say, PSB Social, which would be for "being social", for example:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20011207/msgs/15616.html
and PSB Psychology, which would be for psychological (or at least non-medication) questions, for example:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20011207/msgs/15581.html
Does that make more sense?
> Maybe it should be a board just for posts on Effexor.:-)
BTW, I think this could be somewhat self-perpetuating. If a lot of people post on Effexor, you show up high on a search for Effexor, so more people come and post on Effexor, so you show up even higher...
Bob
Posted by judy1 on December 19, 2001, at 16:33:46
In reply to Re: Separate communities? Might be good, posted by Shar on December 17, 2001, at 14:36:09
i really liked your idea about a treatment resistant board; i can name every person who posts who has been on every conceivable combination of medication and still has symptoms- and I would much rather hear advice from those people. unless there's nothing left... an overly hormonal judy
Posted by christophreJMC on December 19, 2001, at 16:43:00
In reply to Re: new board?, posted by Dr. Bob on December 18, 2001, at 20:37:20
What about a board for specific medication questions (e.g.: side effects, withdrawl, safety considerations) and another board for discussing unconventional treatments or for help/advice on appropriate medication choices for that person's needs, etc. (basically, anything not appropriate for the first board). Board1 would be a straightforward question & answer forum while board2 would be more personal and open-ended (or, perhaps, more "advanced" -- without being elitist). This might seperate the frequently-asked-questions from the infrequently-asked-questions ...or maybe it would just confuse everybody.
Christophre.
Posted by shellir on December 25, 2001, at 13:09:32
In reply to Re: new board?, posted by Dr. Bob on December 18, 2001, at 20:37:20
> > > But I have in fact also been thinking about separating the "being social" and "psychology" parts of PSB, maybe that makes more sense...
> >The only problem with so many boards is that I do think redirection does tend still to be confusing. When therapy and meds are discussed together, it seems arbitrary as to what board they belong on. I sort of like the idea of a social vs. psychology/psychotherapy board because at times PBS has involved just a few people asking for help everyday or several times a day. I would like to read more about cognitive therapy; also diagnoses might also be a topic on a psychology board vs. PSB. Of course then diagnoses connect to both meds and therapy, so......
I will have to wait to participate in setting up a fund drive until the spring, I'm afraid--didn't ancitipate a christmas breakdown. If anyone else wants to take over the task, that's fine.
Sometimes I've gotten into long threads with one person. The threads have been about medication trials, but then as they continue, both participants want to start to exchange some information (job, family). The reason that I haven't just continued with the person off the board and by e-mail is because I know that there are people reading and learning, and occasionally someone will start to participate. Generally I've done that on PB, but get nervous and purposefully try to add something about meds every time so it will not be redirected. These continuing threads have been of great value to me and I feel less guilty since you have changed your system of "hiding" part of long threads. But I don't know how you feel about them. For example Lorraine, Elizabeth and I had a thread going for months, filled with many things, although I would say the main focus was med trials and information.
As far as dividing PB, I like the idea of a separate board for treatment resistent depression, but I also can see the possible problem of traditional vs. "new age" or wholistic treatment. I don't really know why such disagreements have to arise, but they seem to, so it is probably best to anticipate them.
Anyway, thanks for providing us such a wonderful space to communicate, and hoping your new year is full of love and joy.
Shelli
Posted by akc on January 4, 2002, at 17:47:25
In reply to Re: new board?, posted by Dr. Bob on December 18, 2001, at 20:37:20
We could have a board dedicated to posts about your pictures, Dr. Bob!
Posted by fi on January 7, 2002, at 12:22:24
In reply to Re: new board?, posted by Dr. Bob on December 18, 2001, at 20:37:20
> > > But I have in fact also been thinking about separating the "being social" and "psychology" parts of PSB, maybe that makes more sense...
> >
Apologies in advance- I havent read all the posts so may be repeating stuff.I think its really great to have a choice between a list focussing on meds and one that doesnt. Important that people can send messages to any of the PB Boards- the same person may have different needs at different times.
I dont think your examples below are really all that different- personally, I'd prefer to keep PSB as is for these. PSB also certainly doesnt need professional input, from my experience (as a pretty new member).
Other possiblities:
*a list for people who want to express how they are feeling/ wider philosophy of life, but not looking for a response.
*a list (as has been mentioned) re research Tho this might also be addressed by doing PubMed searches- maybe what is needed is advice on how to search PubMed effectively (and you can also set up free update searches on it).On a different tack: a facility for people who want to let another PBabbler know their email to do it via you (so its not put on the Boards).
But main thing is its great to have the Boards, and that they are free (I would certainly not have joined if payment was needed- would have been wary of committing credit card details over the internet and to another country, and also not know it was going to be worth it.
Fi
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> Sorry, I didn't explain that very well... My idea was to split up PSB, into, say, PSB Social, which would be for "being social", for example:
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> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20011207/msgs/15616.html
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> and PSB Psychology, which would be for psychological (or at least non-medication) questions, for example:
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> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20011207/msgs/15581.html
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> Does that make more sense?
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Posted by Fi on January 7, 2002, at 12:29:07
In reply to Re: Separate communities?, posted by Dr. Bob on December 15, 2001, at 13:19:21
Just had another idea: I'm sure you could sustain a separate list with all the messages about your pictures!!
Fi
Posted by mair on January 7, 2002, at 13:15:22
In reply to Re: new board? » Dr. Bob, posted by shellir on December 25, 2001, at 13:09:32
One of the problems posed by the notion of a new board is best demonstrated to me by the infrequencies of my visits to PBA. I've been mostly unaware of this thread. We can only disperse ourselves so far and it's getting increasingly difficult to keep up with 3 boards much less 4 or 5.
With regard to some of the suggestions - 1) it seems to me that most of the people on this board are somewhat treatment resistant or they wouldn't stick around as long as they do. I'm not sure what's gained by weeding out those who are not. Usually these are recent arrivals who need the kind of help and guidance that comes from those who have been around the bend, so to speak. When I am in between meds trials, I don't visit PB much, so my guess it that the vast majority of people there are either treatment resistant and looking for or in the process of trying something new, or people who are new to medications.
2) I'm not sure our lives bifurcate so neatly that the purely social and the psychotherapy related issues are distinct. I stay clear of the threads about Dr. Bob's numerous incarnations - these are pretty much the only threads that I see as solely social. For better or worse, our illnesses are so much a part of who we are that they tend to inform our social interactions too. I think there's alot of overlap, and alot of us might have trouble figuring out how to direct our posts if further delineation were required.
I've met tons of very interesting people here - I'm not sure that would be quite as easy if you further split the board.
IMHO
Mair
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