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Posted by AKC on August 5, 2001, at 12:37:39
Did we all just get suckered (or most of us -- it looks like Kingfish and a couple of others might have caught on)? Or is this still part of a game? Either way, I'm very confused. I'm mad. I've tried to reach out and help someone when I am hurting (something I learned to do in AA).
Regardless, it is as I've said above -- the posts by gldngodess (regardless if she and Else are one and the same) make the board feel unsafe to me. My earlier question -- when do provactive posts cross the line? Even if we do not respond or respond civilly, is there a point that a poster should not be welcome? Is there a point that the community can say "hey, that is not appropriate" in the most civil tones? I know the problem with this question is that the line is different for each person.
So the line is your line, Dr. Bob, and up to now, the only behavior I have seen you slap someone on the wrist for is uncivil behavior. I'm hoping that if it is true that a person is posting as two individuals in the manner as it appears might have been done, another line might appear. However, if it is the case that these are two individuals, the tone of some of gldngodess' posts were quite disturbing. I don't know the solution. I just know I am very upset about the whole situation -- made worse by my own emotional state this weekend.
AKC
> > Else,
> >
> > A bit of advice from someone who's been down this road on this board before... Turn around and walk away from the person who is causing this anger.
> >
> > Have you ever seen the movie "War Games"? My favorite line from it is "Interesting game, the only way to win is not to play".
> >
> > Be well,
> > Greg
> >
> > > Believe me, I'm trying really hard not to be mad at myself but this double-duo play helps me with my BD. I really feel I am actually taking out my aggression positively, because I can vent what my other ,depressed, side thinks and tire myself out for a good night's sleep. It's like taking out my aggression on a pillow but better.
> Oh, thanks guys you truly are like family and feel happy for me that I am helping myself get better by releasing these thoughts that scream in my head.
>
> Thanks to all and just don't pay attention to lil' old me,
>
> Else :)
Posted by Else on August 5, 2001, at 18:18:32
In reply to Redirected:ok, ok..ya got me...I AM ELSE, yipee=)~, posted by AKC on August 5, 2001, at 12:37:39
Doesn't it occur to you thatI might fing THIS post offensive? Thank you really.
> Did we all just get suckered (or most of us -- it looks like Kingfish and a couple of others might have caught on)? Or is this still part of a game? Either way, I'm very confused. I'm mad. I've tried to reach out and help someone when I am hurting (something I learned to do in AA).
>
> Regardless, it is as I've said above -- the posts by gldngodess (regardless if she and Else are one and the same) make the board feel unsafe to me. My earlier question -- when do provactive posts cross the line? Even if we do not respond or respond civilly, is there a point that a poster should not be welcome? Is there a point that the community can say "hey, that is not appropriate" in the most civil tones? I know the problem with this question is that the line is different for each person.
>
> So the line is your line, Dr. Bob, and up to now, the only behavior I have seen you slap someone on the wrist for is uncivil behavior. I'm hoping that if it is true that a person is posting as two individuals in the manner as it appears might have been done, another line might appear. However, if it is the case that these are two individuals, the tone of some of gldngodess' posts were quite disturbing. I don't know the solution. I just know I am very upset about the whole situation -- made worse by my own emotional state this weekend.
>
> AKC
>
>
> > > Else,
> > >
> > > A bit of advice from someone who's been down this road on this board before... Turn around and walk away from the person who is causing this anger.
> > >
> > > Have you ever seen the movie "War Games"? My favorite line from it is "Interesting game, the only way to win is not to play".
> > >
> > > Be well,
> > > Greg
> > >
> > > > Believe me, I'm trying really hard not to be mad at myself but this double-duo play helps me with my BD. I really feel I am actually taking out my aggression positively, because I can vent what my other ,depressed, side thinks and tire myself out for a good night's sleep. It's like taking out my aggression on a pillow but better.
> > Oh, thanks guys you truly are like family and feel happy for me that I am helping myself get better by releasing these thoughts that scream in my head.
> >
> > Thanks to all and just don't pay attention to lil' old me,
> >
> > Else :)
Posted by jotho on August 5, 2001, at 20:11:12
In reply to Re: Redirected:ok, ok..ya got me...I AM ELSE, yipee=)~ » AKC, posted by Else on August 5, 2001, at 18:18:32
Obviously either Else and GG are one in the same, or they are not...In either case, Else's letters have always seemed helpful and, for the most part proper, and maybe we should just address that particular person(ality). And, in either case also, GG's posts seem to quickly decompose into rudeness and malevolence. I, personally, will respond to the first, but not the second.
Posted by Kingfish on August 6, 2001, at 16:18:26
In reply to Re: Redirected:ok, ok..ya got me...I AM ELSE, yipee=)~, posted by jotho on August 5, 2001, at 20:11:12
> At the risk of getting into trouble, I'm going out on a limb and saying again, that I think GG and Else are the same person and that we are being "taken for a ride". I'm extremely sorry if I'm wrong, but I really don't think I am, and I'm very upset as well.
If I am correct, this person is very ill, but, unfortunately, I don't feel any sympathy for them. I made the mistake of reading GG's posts and one of them upset me so much, it literally brought back feelings I haven't had in a long time. If you suffer from sexual dysfunction of any sort, one of the posts is really upsetting.
Perhaps I have missed some of the posts, but many of Else's messages have been instigating and rude, and there are similarities to GG's tones, etc. Why in heaven's name are GG and Else posting back and forth to each other? It's like a conversation going on inside this person's mind. I really think it's dangerous and needs to be stopped.
Whatever, Else and GG are supposed to be banned for awhile, so Else, please remove yourself if Dr. Bob hasn't been able to stop you.
And everyone needs to stop responding to GG's posts. Period. That's the only way to end this.
- K.
Posted by jotho on August 6, 2001, at 18:01:09
In reply to Re: Redirected:ok, ok..ya got me...I AM ELSE, yipee=)~, posted by Kingfish on August 6, 2001, at 16:18:26
Hello K...
I can understand your being extremely upset over this situation, but if i may: The point I was trying to make is that we are not sure about Else actually submitting as another person and I think it would be a disservice to her, and the site, to arbitrarily dismiss her without proof.. Some of her posts were a little aggressive, true, but many were helpful and supportive. That aside, if indeed she is GG, whose posts always seemed a little 'different' and oftimes belligerent, then we maybe should just refuse to respond to GG. Else may see the pain she has caused or perhaps be coaxed into receiving additional help. I have to say that I do sympathize with her, (whoever that may indeed be) as mental illness, in its various forms, does not necessarily just make us shy, or anxious, or down... it is often twisting and cruel...we have to remember that.....john
Posted by Kingfish on August 6, 2001, at 18:27:51
In reply to Re: Redirected:ok, ok..ya got me...I AM ELSE, yipee=)~ » Kingfish, posted by jotho on August 6, 2001, at 18:01:09
John:
As a Bipolar I know well that mental illness has a cruel and twisted side but this is not the place for it. This is a place for people to heal.
We've already lost one very insightful and helpful person for at least awhile because of this poster. It's extremely difficult for people with mental illness to find a place where they feel safe to post, to find support. It's ludicrous to offer this GG person, or any such person, any feedback, in my opinion. They must seek help elsewhere. They're absolutely being abusive.
I don't often argue on this board because I believe it to be a place of support, a place of debate, not abuse. But the tone has changed since these two posters came. If I am incorrect in my assumptions, I have apologized already.
I don't think you were here when a poster called "ItsJustMe" incited folks very similarly. If everyone would just ignore the posts, the people might go away, but it's difficult. I've fallen into the discussions as well.
I'm sounding off here, because this is the more appropriate place to do it. I would hate to see others, including myself, have to leave because the entire tone of the board was changed due to one or two people. And I'm angry because I do think there's something odd going on here (I could offer some analytical "proof" I suppose but then that seems like I'm really getting confrontational), and this place is supposed to be a safe haven.
- K.
Posted by jotho on August 6, 2001, at 20:32:09
In reply to Re: Redirected:ok, ok..ya got me...I AM ELSE, yipee=)~ » jotho, posted by Kingfish on August 6, 2001, at 18:27:51
Thanks for your response Kingfish, and again, I understand what your saying, I have nothing but sympathy for you and others hurt by this. Also, if you are saying you have proof, or are quite certain, that the two are actually one, I will take you at your word. But if it is just an assumption, all I am saying is...is it really fair for a second party to suffer because of a trap laid by the first...if (the key word here is if) the second party truly is innocent? That is all i am trying to say and I am in no way trying to stick up for either one, I think it was most certainly cruel and malicious... I just want to see the guilty party held accountable, and only the guilty party.
You mentioned it has happened before (and yes, you are correct, i was not here for it) and, unfortunately, it will probably happen again sometime down the road. I think we all have to be vigilant, perhaps report things to Dr. Bob a bit earlier, and try not to let it get to a point where others are hurt again.
With respect and compassion, john
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