![[dr. bob]](/dr-bob-sm.gif)
Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
bob@dr-bob.orgShown: posts 1 to 7 of 7. This is the beginning of the thread.
Posted by Hugh on February 20, 2024, at 13:04:38
A pilot clinical trial led by University of Cincinnati researchers at the Lindner Center of HOPE found electrical stimulation [tsDCS -- transcutaneous spinal direct current stimulation -- at 2.5 milliamps] of the spinal cord is feasible, well-tolerated and shows therapeutic potential to treat depression.
The results of the trial were published in the journal Molecular Psychiatry on Dec. 20.
Research background
Principal investigator Francisco Romo-Nava, MD, PhD, said his research focuses on how brain-body communication is involved in psychiatric disorders.
"We think that the connection between the brain and the body is essential for psychiatric disorders," said Romo-Nava, associate professor in the Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Neurosciences at UC, associate chief research officer for the Research Institute at the Lindner Center of HOPE and a UC Health physician scientist. "Many of the symptoms of mood disorders or eating disorders or anxiety disorders have to do with what one could interpret as dysregulation in this brain-body interaction."
Romo-Nava said pathways of neurons located in the spinal cord convey information from the body to regions of the brain that are involved in the emotional experience we know as mood. When functioning properly, the brain uses this information to constantly make adjustments to help regulate a person's mood.
While major depressive disorder can have many different causes, one contributor could be this pathway being overloaded with information.
"For example, chronic stress could lead to a hyperactive brain-body circuit that eventually burns the system out and prevents it from adjusting itself in an effective and optimal way," Romo-Nava said.
The research team looked at different ways to modulate this interaction between the brain and body and developed a novel approach through noninvasive spinal cord stimulation. Romo-Nava obtained a patent in 2020 for the stimulation method used after working with UC's Office of Innovation.
The spinal cord stimulation is designed to decrease the flow of information in the brain-body circuit so that the brain is better able to readjust and regulate itself.
"Spinal cord stimulation is thought to help the brain modulate itself as it should by decreasing the noise or decreasing the hyperactive signaling that may be in place during a depressive syndrome," Romo-Nava said.
The investigational device that was used is no larger than a shoe box, with the active electrode placed on the patient's back and the return electrode placed on their right shoulder.
Trial details
With funding through a Brain and Behavior Research Foundation NARSAD Young Investigator Award, Romo-Nava designed the pilot study to test the feasibility and tolerability of spinal cord stimulation for patients with major depressive disorder.
A total of 20 patients were enrolled in the trial, with half randomized to receive the active version of the spinal cord stimulation and half receiving a different version of current that was not expected to have much of an effect.
Patients went to the Lindner Center of HOPE for three 20-minute sessions a week for eight weeks, for a total of 24 spinal stimulation sessions.
Trial results
Romo-Nava said like with most pilot studies, the primary focus of the study was the feasibility and safety of the intervention and how well patients tolerated the stimulation. The study was designed so that the dose of stimulation could be decreased if needed, but Romo-Nava said all patients tolerated the initially prescribed dose well.
"We used a current that is so small that it's about 10 times smaller than the one known to induce tissue damage, so that's also pretty encouraging because there's a lot to explore in terms of what is the optimal dose and session frequency," he said.
Side effects of the treatment were mild, including skin redness at the site of stimulation and brief non-painful itching or burning sensations that only lasted during the treatment sessions. The skin redness typically did not last more than 20 minutes after a session, Romo-Nava said.
A virtual reconstruction of how the current from the device moves through the body showed the current reaches spinal gray matter in the spinal cord, but does not reach the brain itself.
"That supports our hypothesis that it is the modulation of these pathways of information that then may induce an effect on the mood-relevant areas in the brain," he said. "So it is not the current that reaches the brain, it is the change in the signal that then has an effect. This study is not sufficient to prove all of these components of the hypothesis, but we think it's a great start."
Patients that received the active stimulation had a greater decrease in the severity of their depressive symptoms compared to the control group, but Romo-Nava cautioned the study was limited by its small sample size. These results will need to be replicated in much larger studies to be confirmed.
"We need to be cautious when we interpret these results because of the pilot nature and the small sample size of the study," he said. "While the primary outcome was positive and it shows therapeutic potential, we should acknowledge all the limitations of the study."
Data showed participants' resting blood pressure did not change over the course of the eight weeks, but their diastolic blood pressure (the bottom number of a blood pressure reading) decreased for a short time after each session in a cumulative way during the study.
"That may mean that we may be actually inducing a form of plastic effect on the brain-body interaction circuit that is also involved in autonomic functions like blood pressure and heart rate," Romo-Nava said. "This is very preliminary, but it is also another signal that is in the right direction."
Moving forward, Romo-Nava said the research team is seeking additional funding to put together an expanded trial and develop a portable version of the spinal cord stimulation device. If further studies confirm the stimulation is safe and effective to treat psychiatric disorders, future work will also be needed to find the optimal dose, frequency and conditions it can be used for.
Full text of the clinical trial article:
Posted by Hugh on February 22, 2024, at 10:41:24
In reply to A new way to treat depression and anxiety, posted by Hugh on February 20, 2024, at 13:04:38
This spinal stimulation depression protocol can be done at home, using a tDCS (transcranial direct current stimulation) device. These can be purchased online.
In the University of Cincinnati study, depression test subjects received three 20-minute sessions per week for eight weeks. The anode electrode was placed over the spine in the middle back, and the cathode electrode was placed on the right shoulder. This article has illustrations that show the placement of the electrodes:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41380-023-02349-9.epdf
The strength of the stimulation was 2.5 milliamps. If it was irritating, it could be lowered to 2.0 mA. If it was still irritating, it could be lowered to 1.5 mA. Most tDCS devices only go up to 2.0 mA, though some go up to 2.5 or 3.0. The Foc.us V3 device goes up to 4.0 mA.
This site rates tDCS devices:
https://caputron.com/pages/best-tdcs-device
Most tDCS devices use sponge electrodes that are soaked in saline solution. This video shows how to make saline solution.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuZI1Uq6dTg
Some tDCS devices use self-adhering electrodes like these. They can be reused repeatedly.
https://www.amazon.com/Premium-Reusable-TENS-Unit-Electrode/dp/B01EYQH9OU
Posted by Hugh on February 23, 2024, at 13:37:12
In reply to Re: A new way to treat depression and anxiety, posted by Hugh on February 22, 2024, at 10:41:24
The NeuroMyst Pro device can go up to 4 mA. In addition to doing tDCS (transcranial direct current stimulation), it can also be used to do tACS (transcranial alternating current stimulation).
https://www.amazon.com/NeuroMyst-Pro-tDCS-Device-Rechargeable/dp/B091Y85CRF/
NeuroMyst Pro YouTube videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihowIJUgoDs
Posted by SLS on February 23, 2024, at 19:24:19
In reply to Re: A new way to treat depression and anxiety, posted by Hugh on February 23, 2024, at 13:37:12
Posted by Hugh on February 25, 2024, at 10:17:35
In reply to Great job, Hugh. - Thank you. (nm) » Hugh, posted by SLS on February 23, 2024, at 19:24:19
Posted by Tony P on April 4, 2024, at 1:26:45
In reply to A new way to treat depression and anxiety, posted by Hugh on February 20, 2024, at 13:04:38
Home experimenting -- would a consumer TENS or EMS or sex eStim unit be usable to try to reproduce this effect? I have several of these lying around gathering dust. Any safety concerns with these?
I have long term MDD mixed with anxiety, not bad at present, but anhedonia, lack of motivation and other dopamine related dysfunctionality have played hell with my life routine lately. I'll post separately about medication issues.
Posted by Hugh on April 10, 2024, at 21:38:50
In reply to Re: A new way to treat depression and anxiety » Hugh, posted by Tony P on April 4, 2024, at 1:26:45
I think it's worth a try. You could experiment with different frequencies and intensities, and see how they make you feel. It should be safe to use on the spine.
> Home experimenting -- would a consumer TENS or EMS or sex eStim unit be usable to try to reproduce this effect? I have several of these lying around gathering dust. Any safety concerns with these?
>
> I have long term MDD mixed with anxiety, not bad at present, but anhedonia, lack of motivation and other dopamine related dysfunctionality have played hell with my life routine lately. I'll post separately about medication issues.
This is the end of the thread.
Psycho-Babble Medication | Extras | FAQ
Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
bob@dr-bob.org
Script revised: February 4, 2008
URL: http://www.dr-bob.org/cgi-bin/pb/mget.pl
Copyright 2006-17 Robert Hsiung.
Owned and operated by Dr. Bob LLC and not the University of Chicago.