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Posted by Lamdage22 on April 6, 2019, at 8:30:19
I can only attest to the crippling effects of social anxiety. I am watching the anxiety pipeline. I think that anxiolytics are not as likely to make me go nuts as are the antidepressants. I am wary of most meds and I don't agree with how frivolously they are recommended here. If I had taken the meds I take right now right away and didn't make a merry go round with meds, I think they would have helped. Might not even have needed the Antipsychotics. HOWEVER, trying all the stuff made me act out and burn bridges with MANY friends. I think I would have been better off not trying anything and that is what I recommend to the majority of people.
Maybe I need a drug effective for social anxiety to try and build some of those bridges again. I can explain, but social anxiety prevents me from doing so.
I am looking out for Aloradine and I now found this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SL651498
Also, can anyone read this article and see if Aloradine causes tolerance? https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=aloradine+tolerance&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
Cheers,
Lamdage
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 6, 2019, at 9:47:05
In reply to SA is crippling, posted by Lamdage22 on April 6, 2019, at 8:30:19
SA is the original problem
Posted by Christ_empowered on April 6, 2019, at 21:11:28
In reply to Re: SA is crippling, posted by Lamdage22 on April 6, 2019, at 9:47:05
hi. i read a small collection of case studies, about people whose neuroleptics made their anxiety worse or straight up caused intense anxiety (apparently, -not- akathisia). in cases where the person was on an older neuroleptic, they switched them, usually to seroquel. in other cases, the solution was xanax xr (LOL).
do you think your high dose neuroleptic combination could be contributing to this? I remember...I had to take haldol only -1- time, in a hospital...and the anxiety was unspeakable. next day it was risperidone, not so terrible. but...
especially when there's 2 full dose neuroleptic in the mix, id wonder...if the major tranquilizers aren't exacerbating the situation, not helping.
not trying to be hard on you, either. have you ever tried abilify or the other D2 partial agonists? I just ask because Abilify has a crazy high D2 occupancy rate...at the max dose of 30mgs, its something like 90%...if it wasn't for that partial agonism, it'd be like Haldol...
and the high occupancy at therapeutic doses makes for a much looser fitting chemical strait jacket. i say this as someone pretty much stuck on abilify, lol.
just a thought. i hope things get better for you.
Posted by Radish on April 7, 2019, at 7:43:01
In reply to SA is crippling, posted by Lamdage22 on April 6, 2019, at 8:30:19
Yes SA is really underestimated in how extensively it deteriorates ability to function in life and have quality of life. You need to interact to do basically everything in life. I wish there were cleaner meds options without risk and side effects or ones that actually worked. I can relate to burning bridges with friends. I do the same thing when people mildly upset me, but not from effects of meds, just from my lifelong emotional and communicative problems.
Aloradine looks interesting. I didnt find any info one way or the other on tolerance. Preliminary human trials suggest similar efficacy to lorazepam as an anxiolytic, but with little or no sedation or impairment of memory, motor skills or cognitive function.[7] sounds very good to me. I take lorazepam often and it really affects me cognitively, yet so does anxiety.
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 7, 2019, at 10:45:05
In reply to Re: SA is crippling, posted by Radish on April 7, 2019, at 7:43:01
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPnNfY_7chc
This sums it up nicely
Posted by linkadge on April 7, 2019, at 12:47:11
In reply to SA is crippling, posted by Lamdage22 on April 6, 2019, at 8:30:19
I hear what you are saying. I have many regrets about taking meds in the past.
However, my strategy was to never take the meds at the prescribed dose (always take much less, and increase much more slowly).
My only extreme reactions were when I took the 'recommended' dose.
I suppose you have tried drugs like gabapentin or pregabalin for SA.
Linkadge
Posted by linkadge on April 7, 2019, at 12:49:04
In reply to SA is crippling, posted by Lamdage22 on April 6, 2019, at 8:30:19
Just to add...
I agree that gaba-a modulators are likely a significant area where development can be made.
Benzos are much more effective for some people with GAD than SSRIs. However, psychiatry has moved away from this highly effective treatment to one that is less effective (in many cases).
Linkadge
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 7, 2019, at 14:05:31
In reply to Re: SA is crippling » Lamdage22, posted by linkadge on April 7, 2019, at 12:49:04
A former best friend claims I punched him in the face for negligible reasons more than 10 years ago. I don't remember it at all and I think it really sucks I did that (if I did). I have no memory of that. I guess sometimes people do repress events. Apparently, I do. I never knew why we weren't friends anymore!
Maybe I sabotage relationships because I don't think I deserve good friends? I don't know!
Can you imagine the pain that this tendency of mine causes?
I am trying to explain and apologized. have had many friends, however, only one friendship lasted. And I got two new friends or buddies on top. Hmm.
Maybe I sabotaged more than one friendship. I can't wait to tell my therapist. Maybe we can work with that.
I was very unconscious when I was in high school. I didn't feel sh*t, didn't give a damn... My upbringing numbed me to death! I just didn't care!
Posted by Radish on April 7, 2019, at 15:40:20
In reply to Re: SA is crippling, posted by Lamdage22 on April 7, 2019, at 14:05:31
That must have felt, after being told that and still long after the fact, very disorienting and upsetting. I am glad you have a therapist you can use effectively. I have yet to find one I dont habitually lie to in order to help them save face.
I think of how there are billions and billions of undiscovered drugs. I wish they would find the good ones already.
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 8, 2019, at 10:25:02
In reply to Re: SA is crippling, posted by Radish on April 7, 2019, at 15:40:20
It is upsetting. I have been broken since 3 years old. Happy baby but since toddlerhood, not happy anymore.
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 8, 2019, at 10:33:27
In reply to Re: SA is crippling, posted by Lamdage22 on April 8, 2019, at 10:25:02
Obviously i was broken before Nardil, too. It just didnt come to my attention before. I was repressing my feelings and memories. My parents marriage was sh*t since age 3.
Posted by rjlockhart37 on April 10, 2019, at 21:51:11
In reply to SA is crippling, posted by Lamdage22 on April 6, 2019, at 8:30:19
a really relevant suggestion would be propranolol, it used for stage fright, and extreme anxiety in social enviorments. It blocks norephinephrine and ephineprhine
but besides that - nuerontin is good, but lately all this drug abuse opioid epedimic happening in the US, nuerontin is getting a bad rep, even though it's not an opiate, it is used with opiates to enhance pain relief.
The best suggestion i know would be proponal, it's used for stage fright, and blocks adrenaline.
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 19, 2019, at 2:16:25
In reply to Re: SA is crippling, posted by rjlockhart37 on April 10, 2019, at 21:51:11
But I am very shut down aside from the social anxiety. I think i would be even more shut down with a beta blocker. I am waiting for Aloradine and I hope there is no tolerance/addiction with using that.
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 8, 2019, at 7:04:30
In reply to Re: SA is crippling, posted by Lamdage22 on April 19, 2019, at 2:16:25
I think i tried the betablockers already. I did not like how i felt. My blood pressure is already on the low end.
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