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Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
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Posted by Lou Pilder on September 16, 2016, at 8:42:02
In reply to Re: Lou's response-The Troubled Sea, posted by Hana on September 16, 2016, at 8:28:34
> > > My pdoc said its good for anhedonia. As I've mentioned before my anhedonia is caused by SSRIs cease not depression as that's not my original diagnosis. My pdoc refuses to acknowledge this despite many studies confirm my claim.
> > >
> > > Does Valdoxan work? I'm tired of feeling anhedonic. I'm going on meds merry go round. What kind of life is this? Imagine being in my 70s, 80s ,90s and still going to the pdoc. I just don't want to live any longer.
> >
> > Hana,
> > You wrote,[...I just don't want to live any longer...].
> > After reading our post I see that you are in the Troubled Sea, tossed to and fro. I can toss a life-preserver to you to bring you out of the raging sea to a new life free from the ravages of the drugs that the psychiatrist has given you.
> > You see, those drugs are not medicines because they do not treat a disease or cure. They are nerve agents used in insecticides, rat poison, worm killers and in the commission of mass-murder.
> > They are addictive and cause life-ruining conditions and death. Thousands are killed each month by these drugs including those duped by psychiatry like you state here.
> > Be advised, that what I could tell you comes from a Jewish perspective where this site allows anti-Semitic propaganda and defamation toward me to be seen as being supportive by the psychiatrist chairing this site. The members will attempt to sway you to ignore what I could tell you here that I think could save your life.
> > But be of good cheer. There is hope that could come from having dialog wit me. You could have a new heart and a new spirit and all the old things that are leading you to kill yourself will be gone. Gone will be the dark clouds and the cold winds and you could return to the green fields that you used to know.
> > Lou
>
> Hmm.. well, there's no need to tell me what religion you are and what this site is promoting. Your words make me think you have some type of delusions.
> I'm relatively new here but I've already noticed your trolling and causing a lot of trouble. You're deterring people from using such helpful forum. Please just stop.Friends,
Be not deceived. Mr. Hsiung allows the poster here to write;
[...you have some type of delusion...your trolling...causing a lot of trouble...deterring people from using this helpful forum...stop...].
Those statements are what constitutes defamation. They decrease the respect of me and accuse and put down. But worse, they attack my religion and could be seen as a against the Jew which is what anti-Semitism is as I am being blamed for causing trouble which is scapegoating, one of the worst forms of anti-Semitic hate. And Hsiung allows it as being supportive.
Lou
Posted by Hana on September 16, 2016, at 9:39:42
In reply to Re: Anyone's taking Agomelatine (Valdoxan)? » Hana, posted by SLS on September 14, 2016, at 15:47:21
> > My pdoc said its good for anhedonia. As I've mentioned before my anhedonia is caused by SSRIs cease not depression as that's not my original diagnosis. My pdoc refuses to acknowledge this despite many studies confirm my claim.
> >
> > Does Valdoxan work? I'm tired of feeling anhedonic. I'm going on meds merry go round. What kind of life is this? Imagine being in my 70s, 80s ,90s and still going to the pdoc. I just don't want to live any longer.
>
> I tried Valdoxan a few years ago. It didn't help improve my bipolar depression at all. Anhedonia is one of my symptoms. Of course, two people can have opposite reactions to the same drug.
>
> For some people, Abilify helps with anhedonia. If it is going to improve your condition, you should know within a week or two as long as you are at the right dosage. For depression, 2-5 mg/day is usually chosen. I happen to need 10-20 mg/day in combination with antidepressants.
>
> Besides anhedonia, are you experiencing any symptoms of depression?
>
> What drugs are you taking now?
>
> Keep an eye on the two newer antipsychotics, Reluxti and Vraylar. Both drugs might help with anhedonia, as they are dopamine receptor D3 partial antagonists. As with Abilify, it usually takes the addition of an other drug to produce a therapeuric response. Two drugs that can help are Lamictal and Wellbutrin.
>
>
> - ScottI only have social anxiety. No depression symptoms apart from anhendonia which I got immediately after ceasing ssri use. I've read that it is one of PAWS (Prolonged Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome) symptoms.The only way to treat anhedonia in this case is to get back on meds. Unfortunately, I found out not all meds treat it.
I'm wary of taking anti-psychotics for their side effects profile. and I think they're mostly used for those with serious mental illnesse like schizophrenia and bipolar. My pdoc swears by Abilify. He says its safe. I'm wondering if this drug has any sexual side effects?
P.S I'm taking Brintellix now. Mild effect on anxiety. No side effects but doesn't help with anhedonia. I actually feel Its making it worse.
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 16, 2016, at 12:22:27
In reply to Re: Anyone's taking Agomelatine (Valdoxan)? » SLS, posted by Hana on September 16, 2016, at 9:39:42
> > > My pdoc said its good for anhedonia. As I've mentioned before my anhedonia is caused by SSRIs cease not depression as that's not my original diagnosis. My pdoc refuses to acknowledge this despite many studies confirm my claim.
> > >
> > > Does Valdoxan work? I'm tired of feeling anhedonic. I'm going on meds merry go round. What kind of life is this? Imagine being in my 70s, 80s ,90s and still going to the pdoc. I just don't want to live any longer.
> >
> > I tried Valdoxan a few years ago. It didn't help improve my bipolar depression at all. Anhedonia is one of my symptoms. Of course, two people can have opposite reactions to the same drug.
> >
> > For some people, Abilify helps with anhedonia. If it is going to improve your condition, you should know within a week or two as long as you are at the right dosage. For depression, 2-5 mg/day is usually chosen. I happen to need 10-20 mg/day in combination with antidepressants.
> >
> > Besides anhedonia, are you experiencing any symptoms of depression?
> >
> > What drugs are you taking now?
> >
> > Keep an eye on the two newer antipsychotics, Reluxti and Vraylar. Both drugs might help with anhedonia, as they are dopamine receptor D3 partial antagonists. As with Abilify, it usually takes the addition of an other drug to produce a therapeuric response. Two drugs that can help are Lamictal and Wellbutrin.
> >
> >
> > - Scott
>
> I only have social anxiety. No depression symptoms apart from anhendonia which I got immediately after ceasing ssri use. I've read that it is one of PAWS (Prolonged Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome) symptoms.The only way to treat anhedonia in this case is to get back on meds. Unfortunately, I found out not all meds treat it.
>
> I'm wary of taking anti-psychotics for their side effects profile. and I think they're mostly used for those with serious mental illnesse like schizophrenia and bipolar. My pdoc swears by Abilify. He says its safe. I'm wondering if this drug has any sexual side effects?
>
> P.S I'm taking Brintellix now. Mild effect on anxiety. No side effects but doesn't help with anhedonia. I actually feel Its making it worse.Friends,
The poster writes that the only way to treat anhedonia in this case is to get back to meds.
How does the poster know that, and to whom could that conclusion be revealed?
You see, the poster has in her mind from something that the only way is by meds. But where does she get that conclusion? Could there be another way? Does the poster want you to think that drugs are the only way? Why, if that is so?
You see, it has been revealed to me that anhedonia could be caused by the drugs. If that be so, how could more drugs cure the anhedonia? Could not more drugs cause worse and induce the poster to kill herself and/or others?
Be not deceived. The poster has already said that she is suffering from stopping the drug. That suffering could increase with adding more drugs to her death. Do you here want to promote more drugs to her?
Friends, it has been revealed to me how one can be freed from the bondage of anhedonia. It would come from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me that Mr. Hsiung prohibits me to post here. It involves the God that said "Let there be light."
This light is life. I can show you how that life can come back into you and dispel the darkness of depression and addiction and anhedonia. You see, turning away from the light leads to darkness. And like sheep gone astray, a shepherd is needed to seek the lost sheep and bring them back to the Light. That light is shinning in a dark place. That dark place is the heart. And I have come for all here to have a new heart and a new spirit, for it has been revealed to me that all we like sheep have gone astray.
Lou
Posted by Hana on September 16, 2016, at 12:42:01
In reply to Lou's response- anti-Semitism here allowed, posted by Lou Pilder on September 16, 2016, at 8:42:02
> > > > My pdoc said its good for anhedonia. As I've mentioned before my anhedonia is caused by SSRIs cease not depression as that's not my original diagnosis. My pdoc refuses to acknowledge this despite many studies confirm my claim.
> > > >
> > > > Does Valdoxan work? I'm tired of feeling anhedonic. I'm going on meds merry go round. What kind of life is this? Imagine being in my 70s, 80s ,90s and still going to the pdoc. I just don't want to live any longer.
> > >
> > > Hana,
> > > You wrote,[...I just don't want to live any longer...].
> > > After reading our post I see that you are in the Troubled Sea, tossed to and fro. I can toss a life-preserver to you to bring you out of the raging sea to a new life free from the ravages of the drugs that the psychiatrist has given you.
> > > You see, those drugs are not medicines because they do not treat a disease or cure. They are nerve agents used in insecticides, rat poison, worm killers and in the commission of mass-murder.
> > > They are addictive and cause life-ruining conditions and death. Thousands are killed each month by these drugs including those duped by psychiatry like you state here.
> > > Be advised, that what I could tell you comes from a Jewish perspective where this site allows anti-Semitic propaganda and defamation toward me to be seen as being supportive by the psychiatrist chairing this site. The members will attempt to sway you to ignore what I could tell you here that I think could save your life.
> > > But be of good cheer. There is hope that could come from having dialog wit me. You could have a new heart and a new spirit and all the old things that are leading you to kill yourself will be gone. Gone will be the dark clouds and the cold winds and you could return to the green fields that you used to know.
> > > Lou
> >
> > Hmm.. well, there's no need to tell me what religion you are and what this site is promoting. Your words make me think you have some type of delusions.
> > I'm relatively new here but I've already noticed your trolling and causing a lot of trouble. You're deterring people from using such helpful forum. Please just stop.
>
> Friends,
> Be not deceived. Mr. Hsiung allows the poster here to write;
> [...you have some type of delusion...your trolling...causing a lot of trouble...deterring people from using this helpful forum...stop...].
> Those statements are what constitutes defamation. They decrease the respect of me and accuse and put down. But worse, they attack my religion and could be seen as a against the Jew which is what anti-Semitism is as I am being blamed for causing trouble which is scapegoating, one of the worst forms of anti-Semitic hate. And Hsiung allows it as being supportive.
> Lou
>Mr. Hsiung doesn't seem to be using this site anymore. If he does, he'd ban you. No questions asked. but here you are, insulting everyone who doesn't agree with you. You're the one defaming Mr. Hsiung and everyone else.
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 16, 2016, at 12:54:26
In reply to Re: Lou's response- anti-Semitism here allowed, posted by Hana on September 16, 2016, at 12:42:01
> > > > > My pdoc said its good for anhedonia. As I've mentioned before my anhedonia is caused by SSRIs cease not depression as that's not my original diagnosis. My pdoc refuses to acknowledge this despite many studies confirm my claim.
> > > > >
> > > > > Does Valdoxan work? I'm tired of feeling anhedonic. I'm going on meds merry go round. What kind of life is this? Imagine being in my 70s, 80s ,90s and still going to the pdoc. I just don't want to live any longer.
> > > >
> > > > Hana,
> > > > You wrote,[...I just don't want to live any longer...].
> > > > After reading our post I see that you are in the Troubled Sea, tossed to and fro. I can toss a life-preserver to you to bring you out of the raging sea to a new life free from the ravages of the drugs that the psychiatrist has given you.
> > > > You see, those drugs are not medicines because they do not treat a disease or cure. They are nerve agents used in insecticides, rat poison, worm killers and in the commission of mass-murder.
> > > > They are addictive and cause life-ruining conditions and death. Thousands are killed each month by these drugs including those duped by psychiatry like you state here.
> > > > Be advised, that what I could tell you comes from a Jewish perspective where this site allows anti-Semitic propaganda and defamation toward me to be seen as being supportive by the psychiatrist chairing this site. The members will attempt to sway you to ignore what I could tell you here that I think could save your life.
> > > > But be of good cheer. There is hope that could come from having dialog wit me. You could have a new heart and a new spirit and all the old things that are leading you to kill yourself will be gone. Gone will be the dark clouds and the cold winds and you could return to the green fields that you used to know.
> > > > Lou
> > >
> > > Hmm.. well, there's no need to tell me what religion you are and what this site is promoting. Your words make me think you have some type of delusions.
> > > I'm relatively new here but I've already noticed your trolling and causing a lot of trouble. You're deterring people from using such helpful forum. Please just stop.
> >
> > Friends,
> > Be not deceived. Mr. Hsiung allows the poster here to write;
> > [...you have some type of delusion...your trolling...causing a lot of trouble...deterring people from using this helpful forum...stop...].
> > Those statements are what constitutes defamation. They decrease the respect of me and accuse and put down. But worse, they attack my religion and could be seen as a against the Jew which is what anti-Semitism is as I am being blamed for causing trouble which is scapegoating, one of the worst forms of anti-Semitic hate. And Hsiung allows it as being supportive.
> > Lou
> >
>
> Mr. Hsiung doesn't seem to be using this site anymore. If he does, he'd ban you. No questions asked. but here you are, insulting everyone who doesn't agree with you. You're the one defaming Mr. Hsiung and everyone else.Hana,
I am trying to save lives here and to stop the defamation and anti-Semitic propaganda against me and the Jews from being seen as supportive by Mr. Hsiung for he says that support takes precedence here.
What I am posting is true. Mr. Hsiung is allowing the hate to be seen as civil here. What I post to defend myself and the Jews is not insulting those that allow it. It is my duty to stop Mr. Hsiung and his followers from posting the hate against me and the Jews. Mr. Hsiung could come out from under and surface when he wants, like the mole. Just because he is below surface, that does not mean that I have to allow this site to promote hatred toward the Jews and others that are not Christendom people. If I was prohibited to post here, that might as well be saying, "No Jews allowed here."
Hsiung IMHO has a duty and responsibility to stop the anti-Semitic propaganda here. I see you as being in concert with him as you state the false accusation that I am insulting those that disagree with me here. That is not true and if you want it to be true, go ahead and post what link from me that incites you to post such hate here. Then I will answer anything that you post about me.
Lou
Posted by Hana on September 16, 2016, at 14:40:01
In reply to Lou's response-poster joins the pack » Hana, posted by Lou Pilder on September 16, 2016, at 12:54:26
>
> Hana,
> I am trying to save lives here and to stop the defamation and anti-Semitic propaganda against me and the Jews from being seen as supportive by Mr. Hsiung for he says that support takes precedence here.
> What I am posting is true. Mr. Hsiung is allowing the hate to be seen as civil here. What I post to defend myself and the Jews is not insulting those that allow it. It is my duty to stop Mr. Hsiung and his followers from posting the hate against me and the Jews. Mr. Hsiung could come out from under and surface when he wants, like the mole. Just because he is below surface, that does not mean that I have to allow this site to promote hatred toward the Jews and others that are not Christendom people. If I was prohibited to post here, that might as well be saying, "No Jews allowed here."
> Hsiung IMHO has a duty and responsibility to stop the anti-Semitic propaganda here. I see you as being in concert with him as you state the false accusation that I am insulting those that disagree with me here. That is not true and if you want it to be true, go ahead and post what link from me that incites you to post such hate here. Then I will answer anything that you post about me.
> LouOk but how's trolling any beneficial? You can see no one's listening to you. If I was a christian or a muslim and this site's spreading propaganda against my religion, I'll leave. Anyway, I'm not gonna reply to you any further.
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 16, 2016, at 15:26:10
In reply to Re: Lou's response-poster joins the pack, posted by Hana on September 16, 2016, at 14:40:01
> >
> > Hana,
> > I am trying to save lives here and to stop the defamation and anti-Semitic propaganda against me and the Jews from being seen as supportive by Mr. Hsiung for he says that support takes precedence here.
> > What I am posting is true. Mr. Hsiung is allowing the hate to be seen as civil here. What I post to defend myself and the Jews is not insulting those that allow it. It is my duty to stop Mr. Hsiung and his followers from posting the hate against me and the Jews. Mr. Hsiung could come out from under and surface when he wants, like the mole. Just because he is below surface, that does not mean that I have to allow this site to promote hatred toward the Jews and others that are not Christendom people. If I was prohibited to post here, that might as well be saying, "No Jews allowed here."
> > Hsiung IMHO has a duty and responsibility to stop the anti-Semitic propaganda here. I see you as being in concert with him as you state the false accusation that I am insulting those that disagree with me here. That is not true and if you want it to be true, go ahead and post what link from me that incites you to post such hate here. Then I will answer anything that you post about me.
> > Lou
>
> Ok but how's trolling any beneficial? You can see no one's listening to you. If I was a christian or a muslim and this site's spreading propaganda against my religion, I'll leave. Anyway, I'm not gonna reply to you any further.Friends,
Be not deceived. The poster writes that I am trolling what could be considered that I am a troll here. Trying to save lives and protect the Jews from defamation and anti-Semitic propaganda and defending myself against defamation is not being a troll.
Now the pack here led by Scott is trying to manufacture that falsehood. But the facts speak for themselves.
You see, many will be killed from being here by that Scott and others promote these drugs being allowed by Mr. Hsiung to called medicines when they do not treat a disease or cure. The promotion is made in a manner that readers could think that the drugs are safer than they really are. That could seriously mislead readers to their deaths. Trying to stop that is not trolling.
Trying to stop hate is not trolling. Trying to stop false conclusions is not trolling. Posting what is true is not trolling.
You see, it has been revealed to me that there is the Father's House where you could abide. This is the house where the God residing there said, "Let us make man in our image after our likeness...".
This means that the Jewish perspective is that Jews see themselves as being in the likeness of God. And that God is a spirit. It is that God-Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, that I am bringing here to unshackle those enslaved to drugs and addiction and depression and the other life-ruining conditions that members write about here that they have. For when you abide in the Father's house, you become one with God, abiding together.
I can lead you to the Father's house. There is no pain there. There is no sorrow there .There are no tears there. All the old things will pass away. The darkness will be dispelled by the light. And outside are the green fields that you used to know.
The Father's house has many places that are prepared for those here. They are empty now, waiting for those to turn around to the Light to bring them back to the green fields that they used to know. And the Water of Life that anyone thirsts for can be had freely without price.
The Father's house is before you. It is waiting to be filled with the Spirit of Truth. The Father's house is a Temple. And your body is that Temple now. The Spirit of Truth will live in that Temple, your body. And when you fill that Temple with the spirit of Truth you are living in the Father's house.
Do you want to live in a sewer? Do you want to live in a slum? Do you want to live in a prison? You can live in the Father's house for He says that in no wise will He cast anyone out. Where will you live today.
Lou
Posted by Hana on September 16, 2016, at 16:04:49
In reply to Lou's response-all we like sheep » Hana, posted by Lou Pilder on September 16, 2016, at 12:22:27
> Friends,
> The poster writes that the only way to treat anhedonia in this case is to get back to meds.
> How does the poster know that, and to whom could that conclusion be revealed?
> You see, the poster has in her mind from something that the only way is by meds. But where does she get that conclusion? Could there be another way? Does the poster want you to think that drugs are the only way? Why, if that is so?
> You see, it has been revealed to me that anhedonia could be caused by the drugs. If that be so, how could more drugs cure the anhedonia? Could not more drugs cause worse and induce the poster to kill herself and/or others?
> Be not deceived. The poster has already said that she is suffering from stopping the drug. That suffering could increase with adding more drugs to her death. Do you here want to promote more drugs to her?
> Friends, it has been revealed to me how one can be freed from the bondage of anhedonia. It would come from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me that Mr. Hsiung prohibits me to post here. It involves the God that said "Let there be light."
> This light is life. I can show you how that life can come back into you and dispel the darkness of depression and addiction and anhedonia. You see, turning away from the light leads to darkness. And like sheep gone astray, a shepherd is needed to seek the lost sheep and bring them back to the Light. That light is shinning in a dark place. That dark place is the heart. And I have come for all here to have a new heart and a new spirit, for it has been revealed to me that all we like sheep have gone astray.
> LouAnhedonia could be caused by drugs but it also could be caused by the cessation of drug use (which is my case). There are drugs that treat anhedonia and there are drugs that make it worse. Quitting Paxil CR gave me PAWS to which one of the symptoms is the damn anhedonia but once I got back on Paxil, PAWs have resolved. Life felt interesting once again. That said, I'm not planning on getting back to Paxil as I've been on it for so long, long enough to realize how weird it made me feel socially.
These sources discuss PAWS:
http://www.pbinstitute.com/signs-paws/
http://drugabuse.com/library/post-acute-withdrawal-syndrome/
Posted by Hana on September 16, 2016, at 16:05:48
In reply to Anyone's taking Agomelatine (Valdoxan)?, posted by Hana on September 14, 2016, at 5:52:18
SLS, my bad. PAWS is Post-acute Withdrawal Syndrome. It's not specific to ADs.
Posted by Tabitha on September 16, 2016, at 16:31:59
In reply to Re: Anyone's taking Agomelatine (Valdoxan)? » SLS, posted by Hana on September 16, 2016, at 9:39:42
> P.S I'm taking Brintellix now. Mild effect on anxiety. No side effects but doesn't help with anhedonia. I actually feel Its making it worse.Hi, I just wondered if
1. could the anhedonia be a side-effect of the brintellix?
2. did you discontinue the SSRI rapidly? People that talk about PAWS say that one remedy is to go back on the med, then taper off it more slowly
Posted by SLS on September 16, 2016, at 17:07:23
In reply to Re: Lou's response-poster joins the pack, posted by Hana on September 16, 2016, at 14:40:01
> Anyway, I'm not gonna reply to you any further.
:-)
That's the idea. A troll must be ignored as much as possible.
If you should find yourself replying to a troll, please make sure that the subject line is returned to the original wording without the name of the troll appearing in it.
Thank you.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 16, 2016, at 20:47:14
In reply to Thank you - Our trolls can be quite challenging. » Hana, posted by SLS on September 16, 2016, at 17:07:23
> > Anyway, I'm not gonna reply to you any further.
>
> :-)
>
> That's the idea. A troll must be ignored as much as possible.
>
> If you should find yourself replying to a troll, please make sure that the subject line is returned to the original wording without the name of the troll appearing in it.
>
> Thank you.
>
>
> - ScottFriends,
Scott here says that I must be ignored. That statement is against the rules here and has been determined to be uncivil. Yet today, Mr. Hsiung allows Scott favor and provides him with immunity from his enforcement policy.
By Scott telling you what you must do, does that take away your freedom to respond by your own determination? Do you loose your identity as a person that makes their own choices? Then is Scott telling you what you must do an unsound psychological practice? And is it supportive?
My friends, step out of the darkness into the light of reason. Think on your own. The tragedy here is that people could be killed by obeying Scott. for they could discard what I could bring to them that could save their lives and obey Scott thinking that they are doing what is supportive as Hsiung allows the hate to flourish.
Lou
Posted by Hana on September 17, 2016, at 13:06:44
In reply to Re: Anyone's taking Agomelatine (Valdoxan)? » Hana, posted by Tabitha on September 16, 2016, at 16:31:59
>
> > P.S I'm taking Brintellix now. Mild effect on anxiety. No side effects but doesn't help with anhedonia. I actually feel Its making it worse.
>
> Hi, I just wondered if
>
> 1. could the anhedonia be a side-effect of the brintellix?
>
> 2. did you discontinue the SSRI rapidly? People that talk about PAWS say that one remedy is to go back on the med, then taper off it more slowly
>
>
>
1- The leaflet only lists side effects that are physical. It says B treats major depressive disorder.
Wow I found someone with the same exact issue.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20140512/msgs/1066214.html2- Tapering off SSRI slowly made WD symptoms less intense. However, after quitting completely and staying off for some time, the symptoms became worse by the day (after 2 months or so). It felt like my neurotransmitters were all messed up.
Posted by Hana on September 17, 2016, at 13:09:23
In reply to Re: Anyone's taking Agomelatine (Valdoxan)? » Hana, posted by Tabitha on September 16, 2016, at 16:31:59
I've never experienced sth called anhedonia in my life. Never. Having experienced that now, I have my sympathies for sufferers of depression. I wish Brintellix could help with that considering it has no SEs. No med is perfect I guess.
P.S Since dopamine is the neurotransmitter that is responsible for motivation and pleasure, I do believe I have low dopamine which could be as a result of high levels of serotonin.
Posted by Hana on September 17, 2016, at 13:20:13
In reply to Thank you - Our trolls can be quite challenging. » Hana, posted by SLS on September 16, 2016, at 17:07:23
> > Anyway, I'm not gonna reply to you any further.
>
> :-)
>
> That's the idea. A troll must be ignored as much as possible.
>
> If you should find yourself replying to a troll, please make sure that the subject line is returned to the original wording without the name of the troll appearing in it.
>
> Thank you.
>
>
> - ScottYeah that's the only solution. Ignore him. I'm wondering though is what he says true? Does this forum really promote anti-antisemitism?
Posted by SLS on September 17, 2016, at 14:05:57
In reply to Re: Thank you - Our trolls can be quite challenging. » SLS, posted by Hana on September 17, 2016, at 13:20:13
> Yeah that's the only solution. Ignore him. I'm wondering though is what he says true? Does this forum really promote anti-antisemitism?
I have never seen any antisemitism on the part of posters or moderators. I have been here since 2000. Being Jewish myself, I take seriously any posts that deserve scrutiny. The posting history of Lou Pilder is long and undeserving of recounting. As of today, as far as I can see, antisemitic posting is absent, and not at all promoted or protected by the owner or previous moderators.
If you would like to continue with this conversation, perhaps we can move it to either the Administration board or the thread beginning at:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20160819/msgs/1091960.html
- Scott
Posted by SLS on September 17, 2016, at 14:21:03
In reply to Re: Thank you - Our trolls can be quite challenging. » Hana, posted by SLS on September 17, 2016, at 14:05:57
This post has been redirected to the Administration forum:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20151112/msgs/1092209.html
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 17, 2016, at 14:59:29
In reply to Re: Thank you - Our trolls can be quite challenging. » SLS, posted by Hana on September 17, 2016, at 13:20:13
> > > Anyway, I'm not gonna reply to you any further.
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > That's the idea. A troll must be ignored as much as possible.
> >
> > If you should find yourself replying to a troll, please make sure that the subject line is returned to the original wording without the name of the troll appearing in it.
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> >
> > - Scott
>
> Yeah that's the only solution. Ignore him. I'm wondering though is what he says true? Does this forum really promote anti-antisemitism?Hana,
You asked if it is true that this site promotes anti-Semitism.
The site creates and develops anti-Semitism. It is done in an crude manner as others greater than Hsiung and Scott have swayed entire countries to think that genocide would be good for their country as a whole.
Here, Scott and Hsiung attempt to use the playbook of creating and developing anti-Semitism in a community of people that take mind-altering drugs and are easily influenced by a psychiatrist that is a powerful influence to readers as he says that he does what will be good for him and his community as a whole in his thinking and to trust him. That is the same argument that war criminals used and even invoked it before they were hanged, to justify mass-murder of Jews.
Here, we have the psychjiatrist abusing his power to allow Scott and others to defame me and the Jews. Anti-Semitism means against the Jew or posting lies against the Jews or putting their fath down or insulting Judaism itself.
Here we have Scott degrading and debasing Jews saying that they have to convert to Christianity to be saved. That lie against the Jews is the foundation of the persecution of the Jews that Christendom people use to murder Jews for centuries.
Here is Scott's post all allowed by Mr. Hsiung to be seen as being supportive where it is originally posted. I have pleaded with Hsiung to post repudiations to those type of posts that put down Jews and he is still allowing the flame of hate toward the Jews to be seen as being civil.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130903/msgs/1055904.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 17, 2016, at 15:19:32
In reply to Lou.'s response-create and developing antiSemitism » Hana, posted by Lou Pilder on September 17, 2016, at 14:59:29
> > > > Anyway, I'm not gonna reply to you any further.
> > >
> > > :-)
> > >
> > > That's the idea. A troll must be ignored as much as possible.
> > >
> > > If you should find yourself replying to a troll, please make sure that the subject line is returned to the original wording without the name of the troll appearing in it.
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > >
> > > - Scott
> >
> > Yeah that's the only solution. Ignore him. I'm wondering though is what he says true? Does this forum really promote anti-antisemitism?
>
> Hana,
> You asked if it is true that this site promotes anti-Semitism.
> The site creates and develops anti-Semitism. It is done in an crude manner as others greater than Hsiung and Scott have swayed entire countries to think that genocide would be good for their country as a whole.
> Here, Scott and Hsiung attempt to use the playbook of creating and developing anti-Semitism in a community of people that take mind-altering drugs and are easily influenced by a psychiatrist that is a powerful influence to readers as he says that he does what will be good for him and his community as a whole in his thinking and to trust him. That is the same argument that war criminals used and even invoked it before they were hanged, to justify mass-murder of Jews.
> Here, we have the psychjiatrist abusing his power to allow Scott and others to defame me and the Jews. Anti-Semitism means against the Jew or posting lies against the Jews or putting their fath down or insulting Judaism itself.
> Here we have Scott degrading and debasing Jews saying that they have to convert to Christianity to be saved. That lie against the Jews is the foundation of the persecution of the Jews that Christendom people use to murder Jews for centuries.
> Here is Scott's post all allowed by Mr. Hsiung to be seen as being supportive where it is originally posted. I have pleaded with Hsiung to post repudiations to those type of posts that put down Jews and he is still allowing the flame of hate toward the Jews to be seen as being civil.
> Lou
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130903/msgs/1055904.htmlHana,
Hsiung opens up many pathways to defame the Jews and create and develop anti-Semitism. One pathway is to allow the channeling of readers to think that Jews are going to hell because they reject Jesus. This has been used for centuries to justify genocide even from the crusades, the Spanish inquisition and expulsion of Jews from Spain in 1492 and all the way to today.
Hsiung uses third party posters to accomplish the lie against the Jews to be seen by him as civil. This creates and develops anti-Semitism here as readers could think that Hsiung is validating the hate as he allows it.
Here is one such post of many that creates and develops he theme of Jews as being unsaved and going to hell because they reject Jesus. That lie against the Jews being allowed here turns my stomach.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20160819/msgs/1092008.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 17, 2016, at 15:39:52
In reply to Lou's response to Hana-pathways for anti-Semitism, posted by Lou Pilder on September 17, 2016, at 15:19:32
> > > > > Anyway, I'm not gonna reply to you any further.
> > > >
> > > > :-)
> > > >
> > > > That's the idea. A troll must be ignored as much as possible.
> > > >
> > > > If you should find yourself replying to a troll, please make sure that the subject line is returned to the original wording without the name of the troll appearing in it.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > - Scott
> > >
> > > Yeah that's the only solution. Ignore him. I'm wondering though is what he says true? Does this forum really promote anti-antisemitism?
> >
> > Hana,
> > You asked if it is true that this site promotes anti-Semitism.
> > The site creates and develops anti-Semitism. It is done in an crude manner as others greater than Hsiung and Scott have swayed entire countries to think that genocide would be good for their country as a whole.
> > Here, Scott and Hsiung attempt to use the playbook of creating and developing anti-Semitism in a community of people that take mind-altering drugs and are easily influenced by a psychiatrist that is a powerful influence to readers as he says that he does what will be good for him and his community as a whole in his thinking and to trust him. That is the same argument that war criminals used and even invoked it before they were hanged, to justify mass-murder of Jews.
> > Here, we have the psychjiatrist abusing his power to allow Scott and others to defame me and the Jews. Anti-Semitism means against the Jew or posting lies against the Jews or putting their fath down or insulting Judaism itself.
> > Here we have Scott degrading and debasing Jews saying that they have to convert to Christianity to be saved. That lie against the Jews is the foundation of the persecution of the Jews that Christendom people use to murder Jews for centuries.
> > Here is Scott's post all allowed by Mr. Hsiung to be seen as being supportive where it is originally posted. I have pleaded with Hsiung to post repudiations to those type of posts that put down Jews and he is still allowing the flame of hate toward the Jews to be seen as being civil.
> > Lou
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130903/msgs/1055904.html
>
> Hana,
> Hsiung opens up many pathways to defame the Jews and create and develop anti-Semitism. One pathway is to allow the channeling of readers to think that Jews are going to hell because they reject Jesus. This has been used for centuries to justify genocide even from the crusades, the Spanish inquisition and expulsion of Jews from Spain in 1492 and all the way to today.
> Hsiung uses third party posters to accomplish the lie against the Jews to be seen by him as civil. This creates and develops anti-Semitism here as readers could think that Hsiung is validating the hate as he allows it.
> Here is one such post of many that creates and develops he theme of Jews as being unsaved and going to hell because they reject Jesus. That lie against the Jews being allowed here turns my stomach.
> Lou
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20160819/msgs/1092008.htmlHana,
Another pathway that Hsiung uses to channel anti-Semitic propaganda is the pathway that Jew-haters use to defame Jews by accusing them of bringing harm to the community. This pathway Hsiung uses Scott even to this day, as Scott want people to shun me as if they participate with me here, harm will come to the readers. This type of hate toward the Jews was even to blame the Jews for the Black Death in Europe that killed millions. Scott an Hsiung work this to their advantage as I am prohibited by Hsiung to defend myself against them by Hsiung posting prohibitions to me here.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130702/msgs/1049220.html
Posted by Hana on September 17, 2016, at 16:06:52
In reply to Re: Thank you - Our trolls can be quite challenging. » Hana, posted by SLS on September 17, 2016, at 14:05:57
> > Yeah that's the only solution. Ignore him. I'm wondering though is what he says true? Does this forum really promote anti-antisemitism?
>
> I have never seen any antisemitism on the part of posters or moderators. I have been here since 2000. Being Jewish myself, I take seriously any posts that deserve scrutiny. The posting history of Lou Pilder is long and undeserving of recounting. As of today, as far as I can see, antisemitic posting is absent, and not at all promoted or protected by the owner or previous moderators.
>
> If you would like to continue with this conversation, perhaps we can move it to either the Administration board or the thread beginning at:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20160819/msgs/1091960.html
>
>
> - ScottThank you, Scott. I prefer to not continue with this conversation as I'm not interested to talk about that delusional dude. He has done an excellent job sending negative energy.
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 17, 2016, at 16:44:06
In reply to Re: Thank you - Our trolls can be quite challenging. » SLS, posted by Hana on September 17, 2016, at 16:06:52
> > > Yeah that's the only solution. Ignore him. I'm wondering though is what he says true? Does this forum really promote anti-antisemitism?
> >
> > I have never seen any antisemitism on the part of posters or moderators. I have been here since 2000. Being Jewish myself, I take seriously any posts that deserve scrutiny. The posting history of Lou Pilder is long and undeserving of recounting. As of today, as far as I can see, antisemitic posting is absent, and not at all promoted or protected by the owner or previous moderators.
> >
> > If you would like to continue with this conversation, perhaps we can move it to either the Administration board or the thread beginning at:
> >
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20160819/msgs/1091960.html
> >
> >
> > - Scott
>
> Thank you, Scott. I prefer to not continue with this conversation as I'm not interested to talk about that delusional dude. He has done an excellent job sending negative energy.
>
Friends,
The poster calls me a delusional dude. and what I write sends negative energy.
This could decrease the respect , regard and confidence in which I am held and induce hostile and disagreeable opinions and feelings toward me.
The anti-Semitism being created and developed here is not a delusion as it is plainly visible. This could seriously mislead you to also deny the reality of what can be seen plainly. That is called denial and is not a sound mental-health practice according to many psychiatrists. But it is allowed here to be seen as being supportive.
This poster that I am responding to now joins the pack of posters pretending that they just don't see. How many deaths will it take, before you are allowed to be free.
Lou
Posted by SLS on September 17, 2016, at 17:45:16
In reply to Re: Thank you - Our trolls can be quite challenging. » SLS, posted by Hana on September 17, 2016, at 16:06:52
> > If you would like to continue with this conversation, perhaps we can move it to either the Administration board or the thread beginning at:
> >
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20160819/msgs/1091960.html
> Thank you, Scott. I prefer to not continue with this conversation as I'm not interested to talk about that delusional dude. He has done an excellent job sending negative energy.Yes, he has.
Thanks again.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on September 17, 2016, at 17:52:12
In reply to Re: Anyone's taking Agomelatine (Valdoxan)? » Hana, posted by SLS on September 14, 2016, at 15:47:21
Correction.
> Keep an eye on the two newer antipsychotics, Reluxti and Vraylar. Both drugs might help with anhedonia, as they are dopamine receptor D3 partial antagonists.
My mistake. These drugs are D3 partial agonists.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 18, 2016, at 7:32:57
In reply to Lou's response-.how many deaths » Hana, posted by Lou Pilder on September 17, 2016, at 16:44:06
> > > > Yeah that's the only solution. Ignore him. I'm wondering though is what he says true? Does this forum really promote anti-antisemitism?
> > >
> > > I have never seen any antisemitism on the part of posters or moderators. I have been here since 2000. Being Jewish myself, I take seriously any posts that deserve scrutiny. The posting history of Lou Pilder is long and undeserving of recounting. As of today, as far as I can see, antisemitic posting is absent, and not at all promoted or protected by the owner or previous moderators.
> > >
> > > If you would like to continue with this conversation, perhaps we can move it to either the Administration board or the thread beginning at:
> > >
> > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20160819/msgs/1091960.html
> > >
> > >
> > > - Scott
> >
> > Thank you, Scott. I prefer to not continue with this conversation as I'm not interested to talk about that delusional dude. He has done an excellent job sending negative energy.
> >
> Friends,
> The poster calls me a delusional dude. and what I write sends negative energy.
> This could decrease the respect , regard and confidence in which I am held and induce hostile and disagreeable opinions and feelings toward me.
> The anti-Semitism being created and developed here is not a delusion as it is plainly visible. This could seriously mislead you to also deny the reality of what can be seen plainly. That is called denial and is not a sound mental-health practice according to many psychiatrists. But it is allowed here to be seen as being supportive.
> This poster that I am responding to now joins the pack of posters pretending that they just don't see. How many deaths will it take, before you are allowed to be free.
> Lou
>
Friends,
Another pathway used by Hsiung to create and develop anti-Semitism is to allow Scott and others to defame me by the false accusation against me that what I write will destroy the forum.
By Hsiung allowing Scott and his followers to be immune from his enforcement policy, he denies me the equal protection of his rules which is discrimination. Discrimination is an abuse of power that in this case can arouse anti-Semitic feelings as the Jew posting here is allowed to be defamed with impunity. The denial of me having the equal protection of the rules here induces a community of hate that could lead you to your deaths. The allowing by Hsiung is against the Jew which is what ant-Semitism is. Here, by Hsiung allowing Scott and others to stigmatize me, the harm from discrimination is seen as being supportive by Hsiung and the humiliation from being discriminated on is going to be good for Mr. Hsiung and his community as a whole so he says his thinking is. But by saying that allowing defamation and stigmatization to me here will be good, readers could be seriously misled to think that defamation that a Jew is harming the community is to be allowed by Hsiung, readers could think that it is in Mr. Hsiung's thinking that it will be good and it is a good thing for this forum to create and develop against the Jews.
To deny the Jew in the community equal protection of the laws that could protect him, could lead to the promotion of anti-Semitic hate.
Never again
Lou
Here Scott is allowe to defame me here saying that I will destroy this forum. but he does not specify with any citation of a post by me to substantiate his accusation against me.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20160306/msgs/1087350.html
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