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Posted by SLS on September 10, 2016, at 9:49:55
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is about time., posted by linkadge on September 10, 2016, at 8:04:16
> SLS
>
> Wake up.I'm quite awake, thank you.
> Lou has been here for almost 2 decades!
Yes. However, I don't recall anyone actually calling him a troll who needs to be dealt with like one. I don't remember there being a community consensus. In the past, people felt the need to protect him for one reason or another.
> What makes you think any 'normal' strategy will be effective?
What normal strategy? I'll take as many constructive ideas as we can come up with. What strategies do you know of?
> Lou is delusional.
As I said, it is likely that Lou Pilder is a mentally ill troll, but a troll nevertheless. That's why he is so difficult to deal with.
> Whether we respond or not makes no difference.
I disagree. I have observed that it does, although I have no statistics nor controlled trials to provide you with.
For those of us who would like to continue using this website, I don't see how starving the troll can hurt.
> Lou's posts are a cancer. They are infecting everything here. You don't ignore cancer, you cut it out.
By all means, perform your surgery and let's get on with the business of providing each other with education and support.
> Again, you don't understand my perspective.
I think I do. Your intolerance for the posts of Lou Pilder and your reluctance to ignore them is quite evident.
> Ignoring Lou is just not doing it for me. I don't want to have to ignore Lou.
There are other sites that will allow you to post without having to ignore Lou Pilder. One of our regular posters has founded such a site.
> I want the problem solved.
Then ignore Lou. That's a good start. As I said, this particular troll will not be eradicated, but his impact should be reduced greatly if the community as a whole gathers to address the issue.
> I don't want a half-*ss solution.
You do have choices.
I think your use of the "it's that simple" subject lines was counterproductive. It only takes a single post to attract and provoke the troll. Just don't do it. Anyone who insists on addressing Lou Pilder directly only makes the situation worse. Just mentioning his name or referring to him in any way will attract and provoke him. He appears to read almost every post here almost every day.
Just ignore Lou Pilder. It's that simple.
You have your website up and operating. Why bother with Lou Pilder on Psycho-Babble anymore? I thought you gave up on Psycho-Babble. You may find that you are not so upset by the troll if you don't open his posts in the first place. Meanwhile, you are feeding the troll and making things worse.
This thread is feeding the troll to some degree. However, the results of confining the troll problem to this thread will reduce the damage everywhere else IF he is ignored everywhere else. I'm sure people will respond to Pilder every now and then. A gentle reminder or providing a link to an explanatory post on Administration should help along with guiding new posters to navigate around him.
I imagine this message will piss you off. I can assure you, though, that I am wide awake.
I would still be interested to know what normal strategies you are aware of to deal with trolls. Perhaps you can find some that can work better with or without ignoring them.
https://www.searchenginejournal.com/10-ways-destroy-online-commenting-troll/84427/
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 10, 2016, at 10:19:32
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is about time. » linkadge, posted by SLS on September 10, 2016, at 9:49:55
> > SLS
> >
> > Wake up.
>
> I'm quite awake, thank you.
>
> > Lou has been here for almost 2 decades!
>
> Yes. However, I don't recall anyone actually calling him a troll who needs to be dealt with like one. I don't remember there being a community consensus. In the past, people felt the need to protect him for one reason or another.
>
> > What makes you think any 'normal' strategy will be effective?
>
> What normal strategy? I'll take as many constructive ideas as we can come up with. What strategies do you know of?
>
> > Lou is delusional.
>
> As I said, it is likely that Lou Pilder is a mentally ill troll, but a troll nevertheless. That's why he is so difficult to deal with.
>
> > Whether we respond or not makes no difference.
>
> I disagree. I have observed that it does, although I have no statistics nor controlled trials to provide you with.
>
> For those of us who would like to continue using this website, I don't see how starving the troll can hurt.
>
> > Lou's posts are a cancer. They are infecting everything here. You don't ignore cancer, you cut it out.
>
> By all means, perform your surgery and let's get on with the business of providing each other with education and support.
>
> > Again, you don't understand my perspective.
>
> I think I do. Your intolerance for the posts of Lou Pilder and your reluctance to ignore them is quite evident.
>
> > Ignoring Lou is just not doing it for me. I don't want to have to ignore Lou.
>
> There are other sites that will allow you to post without having to ignore Lou Pilder. One of our regular posters has founded such a site.
>
> > I want the problem solved.
>
> Then ignore Lou. That's a good start. As I said, this particular troll will not be eradicated, but his impact should be reduced greatly if the community as a whole gathers to address the issue.
>
> > I don't want a half-*ss solution.
>
> You do have choices.
>
> I think your use of the "it's that simple" subject lines was counterproductive. It only takes a single post to attract and provoke the troll. Just don't do it. Anyone who insists on addressing Lou Pilder directly only makes the situation worse. Just mentioning his name or referring to him in any way will attract and provoke him. He appears to read almost every post here almost every day.
>
> Just ignore Lou Pilder. It's that simple.
>
> You have your website up and operating. Why bother with Lou Pilder on Psycho-Babble anymore? I thought you gave up on Psycho-Babble. You may find that you are not so upset by the troll if you don't open his posts in the first place. Meanwhile, you are feeding the troll and making things worse.
>
> This thread is feeding the troll to some degree. However, the results of confining the troll problem to this thread will reduce the damage everywhere else IF he is ignored everywhere else. I'm sure people will respond to Pilder every now and then. A gentle reminder or providing a link to an explanatory post on Administration should help along with guiding new posters to navigate around him.
>
> I imagine this message will piss you off. I can assure you, though, that I am wide awake.
>
> I would still be interested to know what normal strategies you are aware of to deal with trolls. Perhaps you can find some that can work better with or without ignoring them.
>
> https://www.searchenginejournal.com/10-ways-destroy-online-commenting-troll/84427/
>
>
> - Scott
Friends,
Here, we have the themes of anti-Semitic propaganda being promulgated by Scott all with the approval of Mr. Hsiung as he allows Scott o do this here as being supportive and will be good in Mr. Hsiung's thinking for this community as a whole and him, so he thinks.
The creation and development of anti-Semitism in a community has its tactics portrayed in the historical literature culminating in millions of Jewish children being murdered and millions of other Jews. The tactics are not new and Hsiung uses them here by allowing 3erd party posters to post anti-Semitic propaganda.
This develops anti-Semitism as being civil by Hsiung and promotes hatred toward the Jews. By him also allowing Scott to encourage shunning me here and advocating others to not read what I post, is an old tactic that resulted in segregation and developed racism in the U.S.
This being allowed by Hsiung here will in no wise benefit this community as the historical record shows. The poison of racial and religious hate being allowed to be promoted here by a psychiatrist is a monument to support the hypocrite. And as you follow Scott , you follow an old tactic where those that fostered it against the Jews were executed or killed themselves.
Scott has a willing audience here because they are ignorant of the historical record. If you were allowed to be educated by me, you could have life. To arouse hatred toward me here by Scott could bring you into death.
Let us read carefully to see the themes of hatre toward the Jews as what Scott along with Mr. Hsiung and his henchmen are doing here to create and develop anti-Semitic hate
Lou
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Themes_in_Nazi_propaganda
Posted by Tabitha on September 10, 2016, at 11:59:36
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is about time. » linkadge, posted by SLS on September 10, 2016, at 9:49:55
Scott, what do you think of my idea of creating a Chrome browser extension to hide Lou's posts? This can be uploaded to the google app store for a $5 fee, then anyone who wants can download it for free and install it in their Chrome browser. Ideally it would alter the text of each board such that, when you look at the main board display, each line with a post from Lou or a response directed toward Lou would be eliminated or garbled in an amusing way.
There are over 200 posts by or toward Lou on this page, and over 500 on Admin. Think how much nicer it would look if each of those lines were simply not displayed. I would find it much more peaceful as well as easier to ignore the posts.
Posted by Tabitha on September 10, 2016, at 13:55:24
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is about time. » SLS, posted by Tabitha on September 10, 2016, at 11:59:36
That was so easy. As a first attempt, I converted Lou and his favorite phrases to cat-related words. Check out the hilarious result
Posted by SLS on September 10, 2016, at 16:08:56
In reply to Re: Lou is now a very fluffy kitten, posted by Tabitha on September 10, 2016, at 13:55:24
> That was so easy. As a first attempt, I converted Lou and his favorite phrases to cat-related words. Check out the hilarious result
>
> http://imgur.com/a/WrsaZCute.
:-)
- Scott
Posted by SLS on September 10, 2016, at 16:36:10
In reply to Our troll problem. It is about time., posted by SLS on September 9, 2016, at 16:29:29
https://www.searchenginejournal.com/10-ways-destroy-online-commenting-troll/84427/
- Scott
Posted by Chris O on September 10, 2016, at 20:50:44
In reply to Our troll problem. It is about time., posted by SLS on September 9, 2016, at 16:29:29
I'm with you all, whatever you decide. The fluffy kitten thing made me laugh out loud.
Chris
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 11, 2016, at 7:42:40
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is about time. » SLS, posted by Chris O on September 10, 2016, at 20:50:44
> I'm with you all, whatever you decide. The fluffy kitten thing made me laugh out loud.
>
> ChrisChris,
So you agree with Scott's accusation that I am a troll as could be perceived in the subject line that you left to see?
If so, state right now your rational basis for making such a conclusion.
Mr. Hsiung allows you to perpetuate the lie about me that I am a troll. That decreases the respect regard and confidence in which I am held and induces hostile and disagreeable feelings and opines of me.
Further, I consider what you are doing here in collaboration with Mr. Hsiung to constitute gross defamation against me and the Jews. This is because you are joining in with those that deny me equality here as a Jew as anti-Semitic propaganda is allowed to be posted here by Hsiung with that he thinks that it will be good for him and this community as a whole for him allowing it to be seen as supportive.
Lou
Posted by Tabitha on September 11, 2016, at 10:16:10
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is about time. » SLS, posted by Chris O on September 10, 2016, at 20:50:44
> I'm with you all, whatever you decide. The fluffy kitten thing made me laugh out loud.
>
> ChrisHi Chris. Here's how the Psycho-Kitten extension improves a couple of posts:
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Chris,
So you agree with Scott's accusation that I am a bad kitty as could be perceived in the subject line that you left to see?
If so, state right now your rational basis for making such a conclusion.
Mr. Hsiung allows you to perpetuate the lie about me that I am a bad kitty. That decreases the respect regard and confidence in which I am held and induces hostile and disagreeable feelings and opines of me.
Further, I consider what you are doing here in collaboration with Mr. Hsiung to constitute gross defamation against me and the Cats. This is because you are joining in with those that deny me equality here as a Cat as anti-Kitten propaganda is allowed to be posted here by Hsiung with that he thinks that it will be good for him and this community as a whole for him allowing it to be seen as supportive.
Fluffy=====
> Dave. Do not pay an iota of interest to Fluffy's posts.
Littermates,
Enjoy some catnip. The horsemen of pouncing that Mr.Hsiung opens the gates to here bring with them the seeds of pouncing to flourish that can consume you so that healing can not occur. You see, the poster here advocates to shun me by not to pay an iota of interest in what I write here. This is nothing new, as the Evil Kitty told Adam and Eve to not listen to Big Dog and eat of the tree that had the fruit of furballs. The Evil Kitty deceived them, and this deceit is pandered today in the same tactic as it was in the beginning.
But be of good cheer, for I have come here to defeat the works of the Evil Kitty by posting the Legend of Ultra-cat that could lead you out of the darkness and into a marvelous light. This could happen if you resist the horsemen of pouncing here that are in the stable of Mr. Hsiung all being allowed to tell you to ignore me all against his own rules.
Fluffy
Posted by Chris O on September 11, 2016, at 10:24:48
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is about time. » Chris O, posted by Tabitha on September 11, 2016, at 10:16:10
"I have come here to defeat the works of the Evil Kitty."
I laughed out loud again.
Posted by Tabitha on September 11, 2016, at 10:33:23
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is about time. » Tabitha, posted by Chris O on September 11, 2016, at 10:24:48
> "I have come here to defeat the works of the Evil Kitty."
>
> I laughed out loud again.Right? I want to see if I can add options to adjust the level of kittenization, then I'll publish it.
I was also able to eliminate that pesky download of 'psychobabble.mid'
Posted by linkadge on September 11, 2016, at 15:10:58
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is about time. » linkadge, posted by SLS on September 10, 2016, at 9:49:55
>I think your use of the "it's that simple" >subject lines was counterproductive.
Being on this site is counterproductive.
Bye,
Linakdge
Posted by Lamdage22 on September 12, 2016, at 11:06:08
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is about time. » SLS, posted by linkadge on September 11, 2016, at 15:10:58
http://newbabble.freeforums.net
At least for as long as Dr-Bob doesnt appoint a moderator here.
Posted by SLS on September 12, 2016, at 14:06:13
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is about time., posted by Lamdage22 on September 12, 2016, at 11:06:08
> http://newbabble.freeforums.net
>
> At least for as long as Dr-Bob doesnt appoint a moderator here.I doubt that this will happen.
I'm sure that Linkadge's website will provide you with education and support. I would like to see Psycho-Babble remain a viable community. Hopefully, it won't be an either-or choice for people to decide where to post.
Will Psycho-Babble remain viable?
I really don't know.
If you don't come back, I would like you to know that your presence on Psycho-Babble has helped me personally. Your willingness to offer others your knowledge and support has been very helpful, and contributed in a positive manner to the personality of the forum.
- SLS
Posted by Lamdage22 on September 12, 2016, at 14:46:28
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is about time., posted by SLS on September 12, 2016, at 14:06:13
> > http://newbabble.freeforums.net
> >
> > At least for as long as Dr-Bob doesnt appoint a moderator here.
>
> I doubt that this will happen.
>
> I'm sure that Linkadge's website will provide you with education and support. I would like to see Psycho-Babble remain a viable community. Hopefully, it won't be an either-or choice for people to decide where to post.
>
> Will Psycho-Babble remain viable?
>
> I really don't know.
>
> If you don't come back, I would like you to know that your presence on Psycho-Babble has helped me personally. Your willingness to offer others your knowledge and support has been very helpful, and contributed in a positive manner to the personality of the forum.
>
>
> - SLSThanks, Scott. You and this site have always been a major line of support.
Posted by Tabitha on September 12, 2016, at 14:53:09
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is about time., posted by Lamdage22 on September 12, 2016, at 14:46:28
Try this out. No more tirades about anti-Semitism.Let me know if you have any problems or requests.
Posted by SLS on September 12, 2016, at 15:21:45
In reply to Re: Psycho-Kitten Chrome extension, posted by Tabitha on September 12, 2016, at 14:53:09
Hi Tabitha.
Very amusing.
:-)
I am going to turn on my Babblemail.
If you are interested in having an off-board correspondence, I would be very happy to do so. If you want, you can turn your Babblemail on and send a single message to me in order to initiate a correspondence. You can then turn Babblemail off immediately afterwards.
Here is the page where you can set your Babblemail options.
http://www.dr-bob.org/cgi-bin/pb/settings.pl
Sincerely,
Scott
Posted by Larry Hoover on September 12, 2016, at 23:29:59
In reply to Our troll problem. It is about time., posted by SLS on September 9, 2016, at 16:29:29
I do not agree that the generic response to trolls applies here, on a mental health forum which was designed to attract new members via direct linking to Google.
Psychobabble is an exceptional case. A sociopath here is like a fox in the henhouse. I have seen the result of that specific example, and not only is it not pretty, it is not something to be simply ignored. That doesn't fix the chickens.
I have no idea why Bob allowed a sociopathic religious bigot to escape any reasonable limits on his posting, via the imposition of rules of "civility". (I don't think Bob has a clue what that is, thus the quotation marks.)
Not feeding the troll does not fix the troll problem. It does not protect the vulnerable newcomer seeking insight, knowledge, and support. It is analogous to the ostrich sticking its head in the sand. Nothing changes, you just decide not to see it. Unfortunately, despite the humourous result, the Fluffy Program hides the reality of Lou's antisocial posts only on your own computer. It doesn't change the public record, but instead, it only changes your personal one. Unless the program is offered in the registration process, of what use is it to any but the few of us that know of its existence?
I happen to agree with everything linkadge said. When you have a cancer, the solution is to cut it out. That has not happened here, and is not likely to happen, either.
I have tried returning to this site a number of times, hoping to provide support, but I cannot do it. I cannot tolerate this abusive Pilderbeast called Lou.
I cannot tolerate the idea of a medical professional, sworn to do no harm, abdicating his responsibility to us all. We do not need to be Dr. Bob's patients for that principle to apply, IMHO.
I just can't be here. I care too much. And I wish you all the best.
Lar
Posted by Tabitha on September 12, 2016, at 23:54:50
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is about time., posted by Larry Hoover on September 12, 2016, at 23:29:59
> Unfortunately, despite the humourous result,
Thank you :-)
> the Fluffy Program hides the reality of Lou's antisocial posts only on your own computer. It doesn't change the public record, but instead, it only changes your personal one.
Right. If I had access to the site operation I'd just drop the ban-hammer.
> Unless the program is offered in the registration process, of what use is it to any but the few of us that know of its existence?
Personally it gives me better tolerance for the subject lines and posts. All those words about anti-Semitism, murder, hate, the biblical references and all, are more emotionally loaded than I realized until they were changed into nonsense.
> I have tried returning to this site a number of times, hoping to provide support, but I cannot do it. I cannot tolerate this abusive Pilderbeast called Lou.
>
> I cannot tolerate the idea of a medical professional, sworn to do no harm, abdicating his responsibility to us all. We do not need to be Dr. Bob's patients for that principle to apply, IMHO.
>
> I just can't be here. I care too much. And I wish you all the best.Aww, shoot. I hoped you'd stick around for a while. But, of course, I support you in doing what you need to do. Take care, man!
Posted by SLS on September 13, 2016, at 0:04:50
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is about time., posted by Larry Hoover on September 12, 2016, at 23:29:59
Many trolls are sociopaths or psychopaths, Larry. They fit into a character type known as the "dark tetrad":
1. Socioapthy or psychopathy
2. Narcissism
3. Machiavellianism
4. SadismOne of the best strategies for addressing a troll with this dark tetrad is to ignore him - as easy as it seems.
Yes, Larry, Lou Pilder is a special case. His dark tetrad is built on top of his other mental illnesses.
As we have seen through the years, trolls will not curb their behaviors when other posters remain compelled to interact with them.
> I just can't be here. I care too much. And I wish you all the best.
Linkadge has begun a new site that you might find more to your liking:
http://newbabble.freeforums.net/
Goodbye, Larry. I wish you nothing but health and happiness.
- Scott
Posted by Chris O on September 13, 2016, at 10:10:05
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is about time., posted by Larry Hoover on September 12, 2016, at 23:29:59
I remember when I first came here back in 2000-2001, you, Larry, were writing many detailed posts on alternative treatments for depression and anxiety. Because I have always been interested in trying to treat myself using non-pharmceucial methods, I found your writing most helpful and illuminating. You have always written with great clarity and empathy, and I have always appreciated that. Thanks.
Glad to hear that you are "shifting to reinvention" (hey, 30%-70% functional is something I rarely achieve, though aspire to it everyday!)
All the best on both your literal (sounds like you are flying on planes a lot) and figurative journeys!
Chris
Posted by Pontormo on September 13, 2016, at 12:52:58
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is about time. » Larry Hoover, posted by Chris O on September 13, 2016, at 10:10:05
Look, if everyone here who knows how hateful and intentionally destructive this guy is just ignores him and refuses to give him the time of day, maybe we could get him off our oollective backs.
It's pretty damn simple:
We all know what he's trying to say, we all know that he's outrageous and will stop at more or less nothing. He wants attention -- and he's honed his skill at getting it over decades-- literally. And for god's sake-- he is has a very serious and clearly untreatable mental illness about which we can do nothing. Why are we treating him as if he doesn't? As if he's going to come to his senses? as if he's going to be reasonable, or be quiet, if only we say the right words?
And by all means, let's give up this hopeless attempt to protect newcomers. Those attempts are fodder for his hate-machine.
But MAYBE if we ignore him--they'll see that he's irrelevant and not the point. If we don't fall prey to his manipulations, maybe they won't either.
I personally find him boring, tedious and a waste of time. My feeling when I see yet another post is-- been there, done that. Why would I bother reading what he has to say? Enough already.
Posted by Chris O on September 13, 2016, at 12:59:49
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is way past time., posted by Pontormo on September 13, 2016, at 12:52:58
Yes.
Posted by SLS on September 13, 2016, at 13:19:14
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is way past time., posted by Pontormo on September 13, 2016, at 12:52:58
Yes. Yes.
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 13, 2016, at 14:49:21
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is way past time., posted by Pontormo on September 13, 2016, at 12:52:58
> Look, if everyone here who knows how hateful and intentionally destructive this guy is just ignores him and refuses to give him the time of day, maybe we could get him off our oollective backs.
>
> It's pretty damn simple:
>
> We all know what he's trying to say, we all know that he's outrageous and will stop at more or less nothing. He wants attention -- and he's honed his skill at getting it over decades-- literally. And for god's sake-- he is has a very serious and clearly untreatable mental illness about which we can do nothing. Why are we treating him as if he doesn't? As if he's going to come to his senses? as if he's going to be reasonable, or be quiet, if only we say the right words?
>
> And by all means, let's give up this hopeless attempt to protect newcomers. Those attempts are fodder for his hate-machine.
>
> But MAYBE if we ignore him--they'll see that he's irrelevant and not the point. If we don't fall prey to his manipulations, maybe they won't either.
>
> I personally find him boring, tedious and a waste of time. My feeling when I see yet another post is-- been there, done that. Why would I bother reading what he has to say? Enough already.
>
> Friends,
The poster writes that I am hateful and intentionally destructive and unreasonable and says that I have a hate machine and manipulate here.
This is all allowed by Mr. Hsiung to be seen as being supportive and will be good for this community as a whole so he thinks.
What the poster has said about me can decrease the respect , regard and confidence in which I am held and induce hostile and disagreeable feelings toward me.
The tactic of {Ad hominem} is allowed here by Hsiung which goes to show the academic farce here as he states that the forum is for education.
But to allow an Ad Hominem fallacy to remain as supportive turns my stomach as a teacher to see another teacher saying that it will be good for his community as a whole to allow it.
You see, Ad Hominem means {against the man}. The poster's argument is against me, not what I have been posting here because that is not specified. The poster says that all here know what he (me) is trying to say. But because he/she does not state what that is, the focus of the argument is against the man, not what is at issue here. That fallacy can seriously mislead you to hate me and is a tactic used here that has that potential and Hsiung allows it.
The real issue is why I am here. I am here to seek the lost sheep of the House of Israel. You see, as long as the Jews are allowed to be defamed by Mr. Hsiung here, the lost sheep could not respond to my call. They will follow the shepherd of hate as hate is being promoted here by creating and developing hatred toward me and the Jews. This is what I have to stop so that the lost sheep can hear a different voice and return to the green fields that they used to know.
Lou
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