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Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
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Posted by SLS on September 9, 2016, at 16:29:29
It is about time that the Psycho-Babble community as a whole treats Lou Pilder as nothing more than a troll and an irrelevant pest.
This issue is worth talking about in the open, so it might take quite a few posts to address it. Let's get it over with.
It would be helpful to consolidate all discourse regarding Lou Pilder to a single thread in order to open up the rest of the board for relevant posts.
I view the great many recent postings about Lou Pilder to be cathartic and empowering - even for those who now look for other forums to replace this one.
Do NOT feed the troll. It is counterproductive to engage him in conversation. It only encourages continued trolling.
Please ignore Lou Pilder completely.
Please post all comments regarding Mr. Pilder to this thread - or one to be started by someone else for the same purpose.
I believe that trolling by Lou Pilder can be mitigated, although not completely eradicated. His is a particularly difficult case to deal with for several reasons, one of which is that he probably has nowhere else to go. Because this forum is no longer moderated, trolls cannot be blocked from posting here. So it is up to the community to recognize trolls and to come up with suggestions for how to deal with them.
- Scott
Posted by Tabitha on September 9, 2016, at 16:45:13
In reply to Our troll problem. It is about time., posted by SLS on September 9, 2016, at 16:29:29
Yes, let's try an organized approach. Besides not responding, how should be handle others responding?
Should we make one last attempt to get Dr Bob to intervene now that we have more info about our problem?
Should we write a manifesto / FAQ type of post to point people to by way of explanation, or would that itself be food for the troll?
Posted by baseball55 on September 9, 2016, at 18:42:34
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is about time., posted by Tabitha on September 9, 2016, at 16:45:13
All of a sudden, after a few years of Lou being largely ignored and, thus, not being more than an annoyance, it's all Lou all the time. If people who came back and began to provoke him can't see the problem they've created, this is because they have not been on this site in some time and don't realize that Lou, while not disabled, has had significantly less presence than in the past.
Ignoring him and changing the subject line back to the original post has had a very positive effect.
This site is not moderated. Fact. Dr. Bob is gone. Fact. There is no mechanism for blocking someone. Fact. If it weren't Lou, it would be something else.
I like babble. I plan to stay. Frankly, I am more bothered by those who insist on provoking and endlessly talking about Lou than I am about Lou. Plan to leave? Fine by me.
Posted by Tabitha on September 9, 2016, at 18:55:45
In reply to Our troll problem. It is about time., posted by SLS on September 9, 2016, at 16:29:29
Folks, maybe this is the wrong approach. We're just moving the problem from controlling Lou to controlling everyone else's interactions with Lou.
I think there's a technical solution. Think about how this page would look if every line with "Lou" or "Pilder" in it was just not displayed at all. If someone can write a Chrome extension to change every instance of "the cloud" to "my butt", then it must be possible to hide Lou.
I think I'll look into it...
Posted by SLS on September 9, 2016, at 19:20:20
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is about time., posted by Tabitha on September 9, 2016, at 16:45:13
> Yes, let's try an organized approach. Besides not responding, how should be handle others responding?
I'll need to think about that one. If there is to be an extended interaction between a posting member and Lou Pilder along a thread, I would like to see at least one message posted along that thread describing the nature of trolls and their effects on this forum.
I found a few suggestions searching on Google. There are various strategies, but almost all of them involve ignoring the troll. Here is a list of suggestions, some of which would probably be counterproductive for Lou Pilder in particular:
https://www.searchenginejournal.com/10-ways-destroy-online-commenting-troll/84427/
> Should we make one last attempt to get Dr Bob to intervene now that we have more info about our problem?
I think it is worth a try.
> Should we write a manifesto / FAQ type of post to point people to by way of explanationYes. That is an excellent idea.
> or would that itself be food for the troll?
The food for the troll is the upsetting of the vulnerable and wreaking havoc in general. I certainly expect Lou Pilder to feel challenged by all of these posts about him and the measures proposed to squelch him. However, the true feeding of the troll would be for us to respond to his responses to our actions. The reward for a troll is to have people respond to his posts directly. The ultimate reward would be for a troll to shut down a website. Of course, the troll might wake up one morning realizing that he destroyed his only playground.
- Scott
Posted by Tabitha on September 9, 2016, at 19:42:06
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is about time., posted by SLS on September 9, 2016, at 19:20:20
> I found a few suggestions searching on Google. There are various strategies, but almost all of them involve ignoring the troll. Here is a list of suggestions, some of which would probably be counterproductive for Lou Pilder in particular:
>
> https://www.searchenginejournal.com/10-ways-destroy-online-commenting-troll/84427/
Nice! I think we're on the right track with "ignore" and "unify the community". Didn't get much result from "unveil their identity", but I still have hopes for "hellban" :-)
Posted by linkadge on September 9, 2016, at 19:49:17
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is about time., posted by SLS on September 9, 2016, at 19:20:20
Sorry SLS,
"Ignoring" Lou is like ignoring a hoard of ants building a nest inside my eardrum. The only way for me to 'ignore' Lou, is to ignore this site.
It's not that I "can't" ignore Lou, its that I don't want to. Being on this site with Lou brings me down to his level. Clearly, he is irritating me, and I simply don't want to spend my time on a site where I am more irritated than fulfilled. I don't want to be part of a site that gives people like Lou airplay.
The fact is that the ratio of 'irritation' to 'therapy' on this site has ballooned.
The problem is bigger than Lou, its the fact that I no longer want to be on a site that has absolutely no rules or guidelines. Even the "proposed" rules / guidelines are impossible to inforce, since we don't have control of this site. You guys can sit around dreaming up 'rules' and guidelines, but it is meaningless without a system of enforcement.The fact is that several other alternative sites have exited the 'stone age' and have safeguards in place to keep things in control.
The fact is that I shouldn't have to ignore Lou. That's the great thing about the internet, is that I have 'choice'.
I am still leaving, I just want to have my rational fully communicated before I do.
Linkadge
Posted by Larry Hoover on September 9, 2016, at 19:53:26
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is about time., posted by SLS on September 9, 2016, at 19:20:20
Scott, I've seen trolls on every forum imaginable. Cooking forums, stock investment forums, organic gardening forums, I don't know. I'm very tired. Not good at lists at the moment.
I think there's an erroneous assumption to merely consider the Pilderbeest as simply a troll. This is a mental health forum, and it is precisely for that reason that issue is not the same as those others. (Are you listening, baseball?)
Vulnerable people who can use google come here for help. They wouldn't come here if they didn't need help. Someone who took Paxil or Risperidol without adverse effect would have no reason to look deeper, would they? Somebody who had no boundary issues with a therapist would neither. Neither would someone who had adequate psychological supports provided by their prescriber. Someone diagnosed with a mental illness should never be handed a prescription and told to come back in three months, but we know that happens all the time. To say nothing of comorbidities, which are unlikely to be addressed with immediate success because the clinical studies exclude comorbidities in the subjects that they accept. But I digress.
Lou Pilder, in his own words, described multiple psychotic episodes (the rider on the white horse series). If you read the archives, you'll learn that his parents had him institutionalized against his will. And what he came away with was a delusion of having met a doctor who never existed, a Jewish doctor who survived the Nazi era, but one a with a secret message intended only for him. His own words. And the Tabitha uncovered the fact that he was fired for bizarre behaviour when he was a young man. I suspect those are related/contemporaneous issues.
I also have never seen him exhibit empathy. One of the hallmarks of sociopathy is extreme narcissism, the complete inability to imagine what another person might feel. But that in itself is insufficient. Not all narcissists are sociopaths, but all sociopaths are narcissists.
It is the combination of self-delusion egotism with the narcissism that defines sociopathy, also known as psychopathy. Lou was sent by God, to save us all, whether we want it or not.
If this was physical violence that we were observing, our society favours indefinite confinement. This is psychological and emotional abuse, which cannot be proven by photograph or x-ray.
The ostrich approach is not a solution. I don't know what is, but it needs to be discussed.
Just my opinion.
Lar
Posted by SLS on September 9, 2016, at 21:13:47
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is about time. » SLS, posted by Larry Hoover on September 9, 2016, at 19:53:26
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20151225/msgs/1085536.html
It is likely that Lou Pilder is a mentally ill troll, but a troll nevertheless. I am convinced that he is lucid enough to know what he is doing. More recently, he has demonstrated his true meanness.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on September 9, 2016, at 22:26:06
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is about time., posted by linkadge on September 9, 2016, at 19:49:17
> Sorry SLS,
>
> "Ignoring" Lou is like ignoring a hoard of ants building a nest inside my eardrum.I'm sorry to hear that.
> It's not that I "can't" ignore Lou, its that I don't want to.
I don't know whether you can or can't ignore Lou Pilder and what he does to your eardrum. However, not ignoring Lou Pilder seems to be what inspires him to increase his trolling activity. I would rather not contribute to this.
> Being on this site with Lou brings me down to his level.
Exactly.
> Clearly, he is irritating me, and I simply don't want to spend my time on a site where I am more irritated than fulfilled. I don't want to be part of a site that gives people like Lou airplay.
I know. The situation sucks, but may not be refractory to mitigation.
> The fact is that the ratio of 'irritation' to 'therapy' on this site has ballooned.I know.
> The problem is bigger than Lou,
The immediate problem is Lou Pilder.
> its the fact that I no longer want to be on a site that has absolutely no rules or guidelines.
Rules and guidelines already exist. They are not being enforced by a moderator, but still may have some utility. Nevertheless, there are some things that a forum community can do in the absence of a moderator to deal with trolls.
> The fact is that I shouldn't have to ignore Lou.
What you do or don't do will affect the forum in one way or another.
> That's the great thing about the internet, is that I have 'choice'.
I don't see anyone who is trying to take your choice away from you. I'm not. We all have choices here.
> I am still leaving, I just want to have my rational fully communicated before I do.I am sure your Internet project will help a great many people.
- Scott
Posted by Lamdage22 on September 9, 2016, at 22:42:33
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is about time., posted by SLS on September 9, 2016, at 22:26:06
I think the solution is simple: http://newbabble.freeforums.net
Posted by Tabitha on September 9, 2016, at 23:07:13
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is about time. » SLS, posted by Larry Hoover on September 9, 2016, at 19:53:26
> Vulnerable people who can use google come here for help. They wouldn't come here if they didn't need help. Someone who took Paxil or Risperidol without adverse effect would have no reason to look deeper, would they? Somebody who had no boundary issues with a therapist would neither. Neither would someone who had adequate psychological supports provided by their prescriber. Someone diagnosed with a mental illness should never be handed a prescription and told to come back in three months, but we know that happens all the time. To say nothing of comorbidities, which are unlikely to be addressed with immediate success because the clinical studies exclude comorbidities in the subjects that they accept. But I digress.That's a really, really good summation. There's so much necessary education and support that mental health care providers utterly fail to provide.
Posted by lil jimi on September 10, 2016, at 3:32:18
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is about time., posted by baseball55 on September 9, 2016, at 18:42:34
Posted by linkadge on September 10, 2016, at 8:04:16
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is about time., posted by SLS on September 9, 2016, at 22:26:06
SLS
Wake up. Lou has been here for almost 2 decades!
What makes you think any 'normal' strategy will be effective? Lou is delusional. Whether we respond or not makes no difference.
Lou's posts are a cancer. They are infecting everything here. You don't ignore cancer, you cut it out.
Again, you don't understand my perspective.
Ignoring Lou is just not doing it for me. I don't want to have to ignore Lou. I want the problem solved.
I don't want a half-*ss solution.
Linkadge
Posted by SLS on September 10, 2016, at 9:49:55
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is about time., posted by linkadge on September 10, 2016, at 8:04:16
> SLS
>
> Wake up.I'm quite awake, thank you.
> Lou has been here for almost 2 decades!
Yes. However, I don't recall anyone actually calling him a troll who needs to be dealt with like one. I don't remember there being a community consensus. In the past, people felt the need to protect him for one reason or another.
> What makes you think any 'normal' strategy will be effective?
What normal strategy? I'll take as many constructive ideas as we can come up with. What strategies do you know of?
> Lou is delusional.
As I said, it is likely that Lou Pilder is a mentally ill troll, but a troll nevertheless. That's why he is so difficult to deal with.
> Whether we respond or not makes no difference.
I disagree. I have observed that it does, although I have no statistics nor controlled trials to provide you with.
For those of us who would like to continue using this website, I don't see how starving the troll can hurt.
> Lou's posts are a cancer. They are infecting everything here. You don't ignore cancer, you cut it out.
By all means, perform your surgery and let's get on with the business of providing each other with education and support.
> Again, you don't understand my perspective.
I think I do. Your intolerance for the posts of Lou Pilder and your reluctance to ignore them is quite evident.
> Ignoring Lou is just not doing it for me. I don't want to have to ignore Lou.
There are other sites that will allow you to post without having to ignore Lou Pilder. One of our regular posters has founded such a site.
> I want the problem solved.
Then ignore Lou. That's a good start. As I said, this particular troll will not be eradicated, but his impact should be reduced greatly if the community as a whole gathers to address the issue.
> I don't want a half-*ss solution.
You do have choices.
I think your use of the "it's that simple" subject lines was counterproductive. It only takes a single post to attract and provoke the troll. Just don't do it. Anyone who insists on addressing Lou Pilder directly only makes the situation worse. Just mentioning his name or referring to him in any way will attract and provoke him. He appears to read almost every post here almost every day.
Just ignore Lou Pilder. It's that simple.
You have your website up and operating. Why bother with Lou Pilder on Psycho-Babble anymore? I thought you gave up on Psycho-Babble. You may find that you are not so upset by the troll if you don't open his posts in the first place. Meanwhile, you are feeding the troll and making things worse.
This thread is feeding the troll to some degree. However, the results of confining the troll problem to this thread will reduce the damage everywhere else IF he is ignored everywhere else. I'm sure people will respond to Pilder every now and then. A gentle reminder or providing a link to an explanatory post on Administration should help along with guiding new posters to navigate around him.
I imagine this message will piss you off. I can assure you, though, that I am wide awake.
I would still be interested to know what normal strategies you are aware of to deal with trolls. Perhaps you can find some that can work better with or without ignoring them.
https://www.searchenginejournal.com/10-ways-destroy-online-commenting-troll/84427/
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 10, 2016, at 10:19:32
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is about time. » linkadge, posted by SLS on September 10, 2016, at 9:49:55
> > SLS
> >
> > Wake up.
>
> I'm quite awake, thank you.
>
> > Lou has been here for almost 2 decades!
>
> Yes. However, I don't recall anyone actually calling him a troll who needs to be dealt with like one. I don't remember there being a community consensus. In the past, people felt the need to protect him for one reason or another.
>
> > What makes you think any 'normal' strategy will be effective?
>
> What normal strategy? I'll take as many constructive ideas as we can come up with. What strategies do you know of?
>
> > Lou is delusional.
>
> As I said, it is likely that Lou Pilder is a mentally ill troll, but a troll nevertheless. That's why he is so difficult to deal with.
>
> > Whether we respond or not makes no difference.
>
> I disagree. I have observed that it does, although I have no statistics nor controlled trials to provide you with.
>
> For those of us who would like to continue using this website, I don't see how starving the troll can hurt.
>
> > Lou's posts are a cancer. They are infecting everything here. You don't ignore cancer, you cut it out.
>
> By all means, perform your surgery and let's get on with the business of providing each other with education and support.
>
> > Again, you don't understand my perspective.
>
> I think I do. Your intolerance for the posts of Lou Pilder and your reluctance to ignore them is quite evident.
>
> > Ignoring Lou is just not doing it for me. I don't want to have to ignore Lou.
>
> There are other sites that will allow you to post without having to ignore Lou Pilder. One of our regular posters has founded such a site.
>
> > I want the problem solved.
>
> Then ignore Lou. That's a good start. As I said, this particular troll will not be eradicated, but his impact should be reduced greatly if the community as a whole gathers to address the issue.
>
> > I don't want a half-*ss solution.
>
> You do have choices.
>
> I think your use of the "it's that simple" subject lines was counterproductive. It only takes a single post to attract and provoke the troll. Just don't do it. Anyone who insists on addressing Lou Pilder directly only makes the situation worse. Just mentioning his name or referring to him in any way will attract and provoke him. He appears to read almost every post here almost every day.
>
> Just ignore Lou Pilder. It's that simple.
>
> You have your website up and operating. Why bother with Lou Pilder on Psycho-Babble anymore? I thought you gave up on Psycho-Babble. You may find that you are not so upset by the troll if you don't open his posts in the first place. Meanwhile, you are feeding the troll and making things worse.
>
> This thread is feeding the troll to some degree. However, the results of confining the troll problem to this thread will reduce the damage everywhere else IF he is ignored everywhere else. I'm sure people will respond to Pilder every now and then. A gentle reminder or providing a link to an explanatory post on Administration should help along with guiding new posters to navigate around him.
>
> I imagine this message will piss you off. I can assure you, though, that I am wide awake.
>
> I would still be interested to know what normal strategies you are aware of to deal with trolls. Perhaps you can find some that can work better with or without ignoring them.
>
> https://www.searchenginejournal.com/10-ways-destroy-online-commenting-troll/84427/
>
>
> - Scott
Friends,
Here, we have the themes of anti-Semitic propaganda being promulgated by Scott all with the approval of Mr. Hsiung as he allows Scott o do this here as being supportive and will be good in Mr. Hsiung's thinking for this community as a whole and him, so he thinks.
The creation and development of anti-Semitism in a community has its tactics portrayed in the historical literature culminating in millions of Jewish children being murdered and millions of other Jews. The tactics are not new and Hsiung uses them here by allowing 3erd party posters to post anti-Semitic propaganda.
This develops anti-Semitism as being civil by Hsiung and promotes hatred toward the Jews. By him also allowing Scott to encourage shunning me here and advocating others to not read what I post, is an old tactic that resulted in segregation and developed racism in the U.S.
This being allowed by Hsiung here will in no wise benefit this community as the historical record shows. The poison of racial and religious hate being allowed to be promoted here by a psychiatrist is a monument to support the hypocrite. And as you follow Scott , you follow an old tactic where those that fostered it against the Jews were executed or killed themselves.
Scott has a willing audience here because they are ignorant of the historical record. If you were allowed to be educated by me, you could have life. To arouse hatred toward me here by Scott could bring you into death.
Let us read carefully to see the themes of hatre toward the Jews as what Scott along with Mr. Hsiung and his henchmen are doing here to create and develop anti-Semitic hate
Lou
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Themes_in_Nazi_propaganda
Posted by Tabitha on September 10, 2016, at 11:59:36
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is about time. » linkadge, posted by SLS on September 10, 2016, at 9:49:55
Scott, what do you think of my idea of creating a Chrome browser extension to hide Lou's posts? This can be uploaded to the google app store for a $5 fee, then anyone who wants can download it for free and install it in their Chrome browser. Ideally it would alter the text of each board such that, when you look at the main board display, each line with a post from Lou or a response directed toward Lou would be eliminated or garbled in an amusing way.
There are over 200 posts by or toward Lou on this page, and over 500 on Admin. Think how much nicer it would look if each of those lines were simply not displayed. I would find it much more peaceful as well as easier to ignore the posts.
Posted by Tabitha on September 10, 2016, at 13:55:24
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is about time. » SLS, posted by Tabitha on September 10, 2016, at 11:59:36
That was so easy. As a first attempt, I converted Lou and his favorite phrases to cat-related words. Check out the hilarious result
Posted by SLS on September 10, 2016, at 16:08:56
In reply to Re: Lou is now a very fluffy kitten, posted by Tabitha on September 10, 2016, at 13:55:24
> That was so easy. As a first attempt, I converted Lou and his favorite phrases to cat-related words. Check out the hilarious result
>
> http://imgur.com/a/WrsaZCute.
:-)
- Scott
Posted by SLS on September 10, 2016, at 16:36:10
In reply to Our troll problem. It is about time., posted by SLS on September 9, 2016, at 16:29:29
https://www.searchenginejournal.com/10-ways-destroy-online-commenting-troll/84427/
- Scott
Posted by Chris O on September 10, 2016, at 20:50:44
In reply to Our troll problem. It is about time., posted by SLS on September 9, 2016, at 16:29:29
I'm with you all, whatever you decide. The fluffy kitten thing made me laugh out loud.
Chris
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 11, 2016, at 7:42:40
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is about time. » SLS, posted by Chris O on September 10, 2016, at 20:50:44
> I'm with you all, whatever you decide. The fluffy kitten thing made me laugh out loud.
>
> ChrisChris,
So you agree with Scott's accusation that I am a troll as could be perceived in the subject line that you left to see?
If so, state right now your rational basis for making such a conclusion.
Mr. Hsiung allows you to perpetuate the lie about me that I am a troll. That decreases the respect regard and confidence in which I am held and induces hostile and disagreeable feelings and opines of me.
Further, I consider what you are doing here in collaboration with Mr. Hsiung to constitute gross defamation against me and the Jews. This is because you are joining in with those that deny me equality here as a Jew as anti-Semitic propaganda is allowed to be posted here by Hsiung with that he thinks that it will be good for him and this community as a whole for him allowing it to be seen as supportive.
Lou
Posted by Tabitha on September 11, 2016, at 10:16:10
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is about time. » SLS, posted by Chris O on September 10, 2016, at 20:50:44
> I'm with you all, whatever you decide. The fluffy kitten thing made me laugh out loud.
>
> ChrisHi Chris. Here's how the Psycho-Kitten extension improves a couple of posts:
=====
Chris,
So you agree with Scott's accusation that I am a bad kitty as could be perceived in the subject line that you left to see?
If so, state right now your rational basis for making such a conclusion.
Mr. Hsiung allows you to perpetuate the lie about me that I am a bad kitty. That decreases the respect regard and confidence in which I am held and induces hostile and disagreeable feelings and opines of me.
Further, I consider what you are doing here in collaboration with Mr. Hsiung to constitute gross defamation against me and the Cats. This is because you are joining in with those that deny me equality here as a Cat as anti-Kitten propaganda is allowed to be posted here by Hsiung with that he thinks that it will be good for him and this community as a whole for him allowing it to be seen as supportive.
Fluffy=====
> Dave. Do not pay an iota of interest to Fluffy's posts.
Littermates,
Enjoy some catnip. The horsemen of pouncing that Mr.Hsiung opens the gates to here bring with them the seeds of pouncing to flourish that can consume you so that healing can not occur. You see, the poster here advocates to shun me by not to pay an iota of interest in what I write here. This is nothing new, as the Evil Kitty told Adam and Eve to not listen to Big Dog and eat of the tree that had the fruit of furballs. The Evil Kitty deceived them, and this deceit is pandered today in the same tactic as it was in the beginning.
But be of good cheer, for I have come here to defeat the works of the Evil Kitty by posting the Legend of Ultra-cat that could lead you out of the darkness and into a marvelous light. This could happen if you resist the horsemen of pouncing here that are in the stable of Mr. Hsiung all being allowed to tell you to ignore me all against his own rules.
Fluffy
Posted by Chris O on September 11, 2016, at 10:24:48
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is about time. » Chris O, posted by Tabitha on September 11, 2016, at 10:16:10
"I have come here to defeat the works of the Evil Kitty."
I laughed out loud again.
Posted by Tabitha on September 11, 2016, at 10:33:23
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is about time. » Tabitha, posted by Chris O on September 11, 2016, at 10:24:48
> "I have come here to defeat the works of the Evil Kitty."
>
> I laughed out loud again.Right? I want to see if I can add options to adjust the level of kittenization, then I'll publish it.
I was also able to eliminate that pesky download of 'psychobabble.mid'
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