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Posted by PeterMartin on July 15, 2016, at 10:27:20
Studies have shown Lithium levels in drinking water correlate with suicide rates (For ex: http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/194/5/464)
Could adding tiny amounts of lithium to the drinking water in countries that breed suicide terrorists possibly reduce attacks?
Kind of a dumb hypothetical question but in light of recent events it crossed my mind.
Posted by Lamdage22 on July 15, 2016, at 12:16:17
In reply to Adding Lithium to water to fight Terrorism?, posted by PeterMartin on July 15, 2016, at 10:27:20
Thats why i take Lithium Orotate.
I think it helps with those most darkest thoughts.
Drinking water? I cant see any drawbacks. I think a very low amount of Lithium is actually like Calcium or Magnesium etc. Its a trace mineral and you need a certain level.
If you dont have it you are more prone to violent and suicidal thoughts and actions.
Posted by jonhed on July 15, 2016, at 13:36:52
In reply to Adding Lithium to water to fight Terrorism?, posted by PeterMartin on July 15, 2016, at 10:27:20
It would be illegal but that happens sometimes (i was writing about it 3 days ago), and i think that it could have a massive effect on violent behavior.
I think they maybe could add some more to, but i'm not really sure if i want to write this now but i will think about it.
It's an interesting thought that i have also thought about alot.
Posted by rjlockhart37 on July 15, 2016, at 13:38:51
In reply to Re: Adding Lithium to water to fight Terrorism?, posted by jonhed on July 15, 2016, at 13:36:52
yea if people knew the lithium levels where up in the water, they would either drink more of it, or refuse to drink it......buy bottled water in instead
Posted by jonhed on July 15, 2016, at 14:25:05
In reply to Re: Adding Lithium to water to fight Terrorism?, posted by rjlockhart37 on July 15, 2016, at 13:38:51
Yeah that's facts, but it's nice to discuss anecdotal things to :-)
I think that if they didn't knew, it would have effect.
I don't know if i think it's ethical, but it's more a philosophical question i think!
I don't agree with bottled water cause of all the plastic particles and all thing that are added to bottled water.. it's not natural.
But of course, if they where to be lithium in the drinking water, it would not be natural either haha :-)
Posted by PeterMartin on July 15, 2016, at 14:46:32
In reply to Re: Adding Lithium to water to fight Terrorism?, posted by rjlockhart37 on July 15, 2016, at 13:38:51
> yea if people knew the lithium levels where up in the water, they would either drink more of it, or refuse to drink it......buy bottled water in instead
>
>True but meanwhile Floride is put in there and some believe that can potentially cause mental issues....normal water filters won't remove it either....meh..
Posted by rjlockhart37 on July 15, 2016, at 15:36:57
In reply to Re: Adding Lithium to water to fight Terrorism?, posted by jonhed on July 15, 2016, at 14:25:05
it would be a benefit if they put added lithium levels in water, instead of drinking alcohol when your stressed out, just drink lithium water....they had lithium water back in 1800s you could buy at the store, i think it was lithawater or something.....
but still in way it could be health thing, because too much lithium causes problems, so even if the goverment added more lithium in the water system, they could only put a small-modeerate small amount, too much would cause psych and health problems
lithium is not a drug of abuse, and it has postive aspects on mood, maybe the goverment could read this post and propse an idea to enhace lithium levels in the water supply to help with mood and stopping violent behavior, but still...it would be illegal if they didnt tell people it was enhanced
but that is a great idea....
Posted by linkadge on July 15, 2016, at 17:26:12
In reply to Re: Adding Lithium to water to fight Terrorism?, posted by rjlockhart37 on July 15, 2016, at 15:36:57
I think this is a fantastic idea.
As a teacher, I wish lithium was added to the school drinking water.
Like mentioned, municipalities have no qualms about adding fluoride to our drinking water (in a misguided effort to reduce cavities IMO) yet adding lithium would likely be seen as unethical - even if it was only added in trace amounts.
Linkadge
Posted by jonhed on July 15, 2016, at 17:55:59
In reply to Re: YES, posted by linkadge on July 15, 2016, at 17:26:12
7up was lithium when it came :-)
It's not conspiratorial, that's just fun facts.It was a drink to cheer you up from the bank thing in the 20s, it came just when the bank thing happened in the United states!
And i mean it came like the day after so that makes a lot of question marks but anyway, i don't know american history so well but it's easy to find.
7up = lithium
Coca cola = cocaine
Posted by jonhed on July 15, 2016, at 18:00:30
In reply to Re: YES, posted by jonhed on July 15, 2016, at 17:55:59
AND what is one of the main ingredients in methamphetamine?
Lithium!
Posted by jonhed on July 15, 2016, at 18:05:48
In reply to Re: YES, posted by jonhed on July 15, 2016, at 18:00:30
But yeah i know, you just need the lithium for a chemical reaction to occur with another substance in that case, but anyway, it's a multifaceted element that good ol lithium :-)
Posted by Horse on July 15, 2016, at 18:29:18
In reply to Re: YES, posted by linkadge on July 15, 2016, at 17:26:12
Geez, so a trace amount can help invoke a sense of calm? I suppose this has been written about on at Alt board.
Good luck getting any added to US water. Or having gun owners surrender their privelge, I mean right.
Posted by PeterMartin on July 15, 2016, at 18:35:15
In reply to Re: YES, posted by Horse on July 15, 2016, at 18:29:18
> Geez, so a trace amount can help invoke a sense of calm? I suppose this has been written about on at Alt board.
>
> Good luck getting any added to US water. Or having gun owners surrender their privelge, I mean right.Yea I was actually talking more about that have terrorist training camps etc. Like Iraq and Afghanistan.....or if you could add lithium to the water supply in Syria.....would that cut down on radicalization to the point of willing to kill yourself to take out others...
But Yea I wish even here there was at least a tiny amount of lithium added.....the human body probably needs a touch of it....
Posted by jonhed on July 16, 2016, at 8:33:38
In reply to Re: YES, posted by PeterMartin on July 15, 2016, at 18:35:15
The lithium in 7up was in america though and that went just fine!
I like the idea though, maybe i should try myself and add like 1mg of lithium for every liter i drink.
I think i might try it and see, it would be a many year project but it could be worth it.
Posted by Horse on July 16, 2016, at 15:49:49
In reply to Re: YES, posted by jonhed on July 16, 2016, at 8:33:38
That's a lot, isn't it? But I don't know....
> The lithium in 7up was in america though and that went just fine!
>
> I like the idea though, maybe i should try myself and add like 1mg of lithium for every liter i drink.
> I think i might try it and see, it would be a many year project but it could be worth it.
Posted by jonhed on July 16, 2016, at 17:00:00
In reply to Re: YES » jonhed, posted by Horse on July 16, 2016, at 15:49:49
yeah i just realized that!
I will consult my doctor before such experiment, and i don't know if she's going to approve it, but i really want to try it due to the very small side effects that should be from trace amounts of lithium.I know one here who takes the ororate version of it, and i have been reading up on it and it seems to lack the side effects that the carbonate causes.
I don't know, i'm tired and just feel that i need some mood stabilizer. But i'm gonna give my current regimen 1 month more before i add something to it, often the drastic decisions are bad..
Posted by baseball55 on July 16, 2016, at 20:05:20
In reply to Re: YES, posted by PeterMartin on July 15, 2016, at 18:35:15
Lithium is supposed to be very effective in calming suicidal ideation. I don't think the problem with suicide bombers is suicidal ideation - they're not undertaking these actions because they are depressed. They're doing it for religious and ideological reasons. Some cultures see suicide in the service of a greater good as an honorable way to die. Not just the jihadists, but also the Japanese pilots in WWII who launched their planes into targets (can't remember the word for them). I'm sure there are other examples throughout history.
> Yea I was actually talking more about that have terrorist training camps etc. Like Iraq and Afghanistan.....or if you could add lithium to the water supply in Syria.....would that cut down on radicalization to the point of willing to kill yourself to take out others...
>
> But Yea I wish even here there was at least a tiny amount of lithium added.....the human body probably needs a touch of it....
Posted by rjlockhart37 on July 16, 2016, at 20:14:55
In reply to Re: YES, posted by baseball55 on July 16, 2016, at 20:05:20
yea they actually would not drink lithium water because there not doing it because of mental illness, (some don't) these full force people that have terror with no regret......
i've seen people on tv have remorse when they kill people, these people do it because they think it's a reasonable cause......and they would defeintly not drink lithium water if they knew it was in there because it would prevent them from doing what they view is right
Posted by rjlockhart37 on July 16, 2016, at 22:28:48
In reply to Re: YES, posted by rjlockhart37 on July 16, 2016, at 20:14:55
it would still be good for lithium to be freely open, it would be a great change if you could buy lithium at a health food store (lithium carbonate)
if society was provided lithium instead of alcohol it would be so much more better......
i apologize for writing too much about this subject.....but that would be such a good goal to replace alcohol with lithium, it would have so much more better effect and stablizing from doing violent behaviors, you can't get drunk on lithium, if you have too much it makess you dyphoric
great idea maybe hope it will be considered one day.....
Posted by jonhed on July 17, 2016, at 4:44:36
In reply to Re: YES, posted by rjlockhart37 on July 16, 2016, at 22:28:48
Yeah bring back the original 7up, why not?
I like the idea about lithium to.I have another thought about alcohol replacement though, that would make a lot of people less aggressive.
First i think it's good that some states legalized, yeah i do, and that's not because i like people to smoke but people will anyway and the downfall in RC-drugs is very good in states that legalizes.
People die off RC-drug every day i sweden because we have so conservative drug laws (we have the second highest mortality among drug addicts in the whole I-world. 15 a day, that's f*ck*ng crazy, and a proof that strict drug laws does not do any good at all... portugal has less then us, they use to have more, until they decriminalized drugs for own use, and now they are the second lowest drug mortility...)Anyway, sorry for that but my friends is dying out there and i just can sit and watch...
4-5 friends per year dies in my old circle of friends..The thing about lithium is good, but people needs something to get a buzz from, or else it won't work out..
I think maybe opium instead of alcohol, cause of the calming effects from it, and opium is not strong at all in comparison to morphine and that stuff.
Like measured poppy tea, and that sort of stuff.
It's just a thought i had, cause it is a very social drug to, but no one gets aggressive and wasted on it..
And i have a question for you all:Do you think that lithium has that narrow therapeutic range (0.85-1.1 in blood serum), or could you take like 100mg per day and not measure the levels and be good, without damaging the kidneys?
Posted by Hugh on July 17, 2016, at 15:11:40
In reply to Re: YES, posted by jonhed on July 17, 2016, at 4:44:36
It's been estimated that if drinking water nationwide contained 70-170 micrograms of lithium per liter (the same amount found in the drinking water of some Texas counties), 13,000 fewer Americans would commit suicide each year. There would be thousands of fewer murders each year, tens of thousands of fewer rapes. And it would prevent, or at least delay, the onset of dementia for a great many Americans.
As Dr. Jacob Appel of Mount Sinai Hospital in New York says, "People who oppose adding lithium to the drinking water in trace amounts don't go around advocating to strain the lithium from the drinking water from areas where it does exist.
150 micrograms of lithium per liter of water are only a thousandth of the minimum pharmaceutical dose, and have no known deleterious effects."
Posted by jonhed on July 17, 2016, at 17:03:12
In reply to Re: YES, posted by Hugh on July 17, 2016, at 15:11:40
I'm up for it.
I i have a prescription for 100 360mg lithium pills, it would be a lifetime support.
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