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Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
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Posted by SLS on February 28, 2016, at 9:48:55
In reply to Re: Hey everyone.. Newby here, posted by Fiftylager1 on February 27, 2016, at 14:02:46
I understand your reluctance.
How would you feel if you were to take no drugs at all?
How often do you experience hypomania? Is it drug-related?
To describe my personal preferences here is in no way meant to be a judgement of the choices you have made or may make in the future.
We are all different in the choices we make. I made a decision long ago that I would gladly suffer side effects in order to be free of depression and live an otherwise normal life. For me, weight gain is the side effect that I loath most. For now, I need Abilify in order to feel better, even though I gained a lot of weight on it. I don't like the way I feel on SSRIs for reasons similar to yours. I stay away from them. However, I have found drugs that produce few side effects. Effexor and Cymbalta have been okay for me. Viibryd produced no side effects at all. I responded well to it, but only for a short while.
Desipramine sometimes works well when SSRIs don't work at all. Desipramine might cause you to lose weight. It does with me. There can be some annoying side effects in the beginning, including dry mouth, increased heart rate, and blurred vision. I like these side effects better than the sexual side effects, weight gain, blunted affect, and apathy caused by SSRIs.
I hope you find an answer quickly.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 28, 2016, at 20:09:02
In reply to Re: Hey everyone.. Newby here » Fiftylager1, posted by SLS on February 28, 2016, at 9:48:55
> I understand your reluctance.
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> How would you feel if you were to take no drugs at all?
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> How often do you experience hypomania? Is it drug-related?
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> To describe my personal preferences here is in no way meant to be a judgement of the choices you have made or may make in the future.
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> We are all different in the choices we make. I made a decision long ago that I would gladly suffer side effects in order to be free of depression and live an otherwise normal life. For me, weight gain is the side effect that I loath most. For now, I need Abilify in order to feel better, even though I gained a lot of weight on it. I don't like the way I feel on SSRIs for reasons similar to yours. I stay away from them. However, I have found drugs that produce few side effects. Effexor and Cymbalta have been okay for me. Viibryd produced no side effects at all. I responded well to it, but only for a short while.
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> Desipramine sometimes works well when SSRIs don't work at all. Desipramine might cause you to lose weight. It does with me. There can be some annoying side effects in the beginning, including dry mouth, increased heart rate, and blurred vision. I like these side effects better than the sexual side effects, weight gain, blunted affect, and apathy caused by SSRIs.
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> I hope you find an answer quickly.
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> - Scott
Friends,
The poster here is advocating to take mind-altering chemicals that are called "medicines" here in order to have depression go away. But at what cost? And do the drugs do that?
The drugs advocated here could induce suicidal thinking and homicidal thinking. Innocent people are killed each day by people taking these drugs and there are thousands of the drug takers killed by the drugs advocated here each month. And the drugs can be addictive. A life time of misery could result from taking theses drugs.
Do you want to be like Scott? Thinking that taking this drug or that drug and going on to the next drug in a merry-go-round and all the while you could be killed by the drug or become addicted or suffer a life time of misery while your on the train that could lead you to your death?
I am prevented here by Mr. Hsiung to tell you how you could get off the train that could lead you to your death. What a tragedy here to see that a psychiatrist prohibits me from posting from a Jewish perspective that I think could save your life and lead you out of the darkness of depression. And to see this deception being carried out to innocent readers thinking that a psychiatrist is the engineer of this train which could give it credibility as being safer than it really is because he says that what you see is supportive if it is not addressed by him, and worse, if it is not supportive and he allows it, he is doing so that it will be good for his community to allow it to be seen as supportive so he thinks. But why is the standard here, to be good for the whole of his community, more important than your life? Do not lives matter here? Are you all so beguiled by psychiatry that by doing what will be good for the whole of Mr. Hsiung's community is more important than the lives of people? Who will have the blood of those killed upon them by these drugs being allowed to be promoted here as being safer than they really are so that people suffer a horrible death by them? Where will your train stop?
Lou
Posted by Fiftylager1 on February 28, 2016, at 20:35:01
In reply to Lou's warning-train to death » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on February 28, 2016, at 20:09:02
I've been unmedicated in the past and attempted Suicide. I know my brain chemicals are out of wack but its a matter of finding the right ones. It's just unfortunate that I have a fear of trying new meds because doctors, not psychiatrists prescribed anti depressants without a mood stabilizer not knowing I was bipolar. I would appreciate if you deleted your post. People could kill themselves if they follow your preaching or fall into psychosis and do things they'll regret for a lifetime. You know the guy who beheaded the man on the bus? He was schizophrenic and unmedicated. Don't preach meds are bad when they are life savers to some. I may not get there but I know pharmaceuticals have a place in treating psychiatrict illnesses just as antibiotics do for infection.
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 28, 2016, at 21:01:27
In reply to Re: Lou's warning-train to death, posted by Fiftylager1 on February 28, 2016, at 20:35:01
> I've been unmedicated in the past and attempted Suicide. I know my brain chemicals are out of wack but its a matter of finding the right ones. It's just unfortunate that I have a fear of trying new meds because doctors, not psychiatrists prescribed anti depressants without a mood stabilizer not knowing I was bipolar. I would appreciate if you deleted your post. People could kill themselves if they follow your preaching or fall into psychosis and do things they'll regret for a lifetime. You know the guy who beheaded the man on the bus? He was schizophrenic and unmedicated. Don't preach meds are bad when they are life savers to some. I may not get there but I know pharmaceuticals have a place in treating psychiatrict illnesses just as antibiotics do for infection.
Friends,
Be not deceived. People commit suicide outside of if they are taking these drugs or not. But the drugs can increase suicidal/homicidal thinking. Psychotic people given these drugs can commit mass-murder. There is no anti-suicidal drug. The army is trying to make one. The army has suicides and the people taking the drugs promoted here kill themselves while they are also taking these drugs. Giving mass-murderers these drugs does not stop them from killing, but could increase suicidal/homicidal urges. Be not deceived.
Lou
Posted by Fiftylager1 on February 28, 2016, at 21:08:01
In reply to Lou's warning-no anti-suicidal pill » Fiftylager1, posted by Lou Pilder on February 28, 2016, at 21:01:27
I posted here for advice and support.. Not religious, anti medication preaching. Since this board is no longer moderated can I say f*ck off and stay off my thread? Clearly I am in no MOOD for it.
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 28, 2016, at 21:39:37
In reply to Re: Lou's warning-no anti-suicidal pill, posted by Fiftylager1 on February 28, 2016, at 21:08:01
> I posted here for advice and support.. Not religious, anti medication preaching. Since this board is no longer moderated can I say f*ck off and stay off my thread? Clearly I am in no MOOD for it.
Friends,
Be not deceived. This board is open to different perspectives and posting a response to what is posted here is what this forum is dedicated to. For The Golden Rules is advocated by Mr. Hsiung to be implemented in your posts here.
Support is not the same as reinforcement. If someone posted here that the Earth was flat, would all the posts in that thread have to reinforce that false claim? And how about if someone is promoting a drug here without stating the real consequences to the drug that could seriously mislead readers to think that the drugs are safer than they really are? And what about the children could be led to their deaths by thinking that what is posted here about these drugs will be some type of remedy to their depression when 1000s are killed by these drugs each month?
Readers, be not deceived. Mr. Hsiung's goal for his forum is for support and education. Censoring is not education, but intellectual dishonesty.
Lou
Posted by SLS on February 28, 2016, at 22:10:15
In reply to Re: Lou's warning-no anti-suicidal pill, posted by Fiftylager1 on February 28, 2016, at 21:08:01
Hi.
I'm very sorry that you've been Pildered.
I took the liberty of taking Lou's name out of the subject line by rewriting it. I try to remember to do this any time I reply to his posts.
In my experience, it is best to ignore entirely the posts of Lou Pilder. His behavior is refractory to all requests to modify it.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on February 28, 2016, at 22:14:19
In reply to Lou's warning-train to death » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on February 28, 2016, at 20:09:02
Just because you had a bad experience with medication does not mean that all people will have similarly bad experiences.
Please explain to Psycho-Babble the reasons why you stopped taking medication as a treatment for your bipolar disorder.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on February 28, 2016, at 22:28:04
In reply to Lou's warning-censoring is not education, posted by Lou Pilder on February 28, 2016, at 21:39:37
Just in case you haven't noticed, in spite of your having taken multiple psychotropic drugs to treat you bipolar disorder, you are still very much alive.
Your overgeneralizations and exaggerations are not only wrong, but they are uncivil and fall outside the rules of this website.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
- Scott
Posted by Tomatheus on February 28, 2016, at 23:03:49
In reply to Re: Hey everyone.. Newby here, posted by Fiftylager1 on February 27, 2016, at 14:02:46
Fiftylager1,
I don't have a whole lot of clear-cut advice for you, but I just wanted to say that I can relate to the frustrations that you've expressed about having had bad reactions to medications, while at the same time knowing that you have a definite need for some sort of treatment. I've never had any good, long-term results myself with psychiatric medications or talk therapies, and like you, many of my responses to medications have been quite bad, so at times I tend to be a bit cynical about the mainstream mental health system. However, I think that you're right that psychiatric medications and other mainstream mental health treatments definitely have their place in the treatment of mental health conditions and that such treatments can sometimes even be life saving. As DSM-IV Task Force Chairman Allen Frances, M.D., said in a recent Huffington Post blog (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/allen-frances/psychiatry-and-antipsychi_b_9243944.html), a majority of patients receiving psychiatric treatments improve at rates equal to, or above, those who receive treatments for non-psychiatric medical conditions. Despite this, a significant minority of those receiving psychiatric treatments don't improve, and a small minority get worse, Frances went on to say.
It can be easy for patients like you and me to become so angry with psychiatry and the overall the mental health system that we deem psychiatric medications to be dangerous to all who take them, but despite your frustration with the medications, I don't see you doing this. You seem to have a good understanding of both the good things that psychiatric medications can do and the bad things that the medications can do. For whatever reasons, some of us tend to experience the drawbacks of psychiatric medications more than we experience the benefits of such medications, and it's very unfortunate for those of us whose experiences are as I've described. It can be difficult for those of us whose experiences with psychiatric medications and the mental health system in general have not been so positive to continue to try various treatment options in hopes that we'll find something that's beneficial. In my experience, the unsuccessful attempts that I've made to try to resolve my long-standing chronic fatigue and the schizophrenia-spectrum symptoms that I experience have not improved my optimism, but I still try to hold on to a small amount of hope that I'll experience at least enough symptom relief in the long run to help me achieve more of my goals.
I ended up writing more than I thought I would, but I just wanted to conclude by saying that I hope that you'll experience at least some level of success with your treatment at some point, and I hope that this will happen as quickly as possible. I also hope that you'll stick around these forums, even if you don't feel like at least some of the responses that you've received have been as supportive as you were hoping that they would have been. There are some good people on these forums who've not only provided me with some helpful information but have also written some very compassionate and understanding replies when I've been frustrated, and I consider myself fortunate to have found this place. I've also been hurt by some of the things that a certain member here has said to or about me, but ultimately, I've decided that I won't let a few bruises to my ego prevent me from participating here. At any rate, I don't want to tell you what to do as far as your participation here is concerned, but I will say that I would like it if you did continue to post.
Tomatheus
Posted by Fiftylager1 on February 28, 2016, at 23:45:00
In reply to Re: Hey everyone.. Newby here » Fiftylager1, posted by Tomatheus on February 28, 2016, at 23:03:49
I think this forum is great and supportive.. But that Pinder guy kinda ticked me off. Sorry if I dropped the f bomb but no one should tell people with mental Illness that the medications cause you to be suicidal, psychotic, etcetc.. It feeds fears. He's a fear mongering and I guess I have enough irritability in me right now to let him set me off.
I have fears of medication because at age 15 I first attempted suicide. I was prescribed Prozac and unbeknownst to me became very hypomanic and ultra rapid cycled. I tried to kill myself twice more before I signed myself into a psyche hospital to avoid being committed. I stayed 3 days and signed myself out. To this day I wonder what would have happened if I stayed.
I was taken off Prozac, saw a counselor twice who suggested bipolar. My parents dismissed it and I never saw that counselor or the psychiatrist again.
I went through years of swinging back and forth and looking back it was so easy to see I was bipolar. All the markers were there. As the years went by my anxiety sky rocketed and I was prescribed Ativan and finally celexa. Celexa had me in a severe dysphagia state within 24 hours. I was ready to crawl out of my skin and 2 children under 3 to care for. A few years later, I swallowed my fear and tried wellbutrin. I felt violent and almost the my 5 year old off my lap because she was bouncing. Very early spring tends to be a very big mood shift for me and I get hypomanic. But I now have dysphoric hypomania since taking anti depressants. I finally wrote my Dr a letter begging for help because I wanted to die so bad but I had 2 young children. I couldnt sleep, barely ate, was beyond irritated and felt like I had bugs on my skin. I was extremely paranoid too. She had seen me many times for anxiety and after my letter she recognized the symptoms and sent me to a psychiatrist. I finally was properly diagnosed.
I've tried lots of meds to since then and fear every single one. I don't care if I'm now on a mood stabilizer, I will never take another anti depressant again. Gaining weight, losing my hair and becoming a zombie aren't acceptable to me either. So I'm pretty limited. When my kids don't need me so much maybe I can try some of the meds that I've feared but I have to function for them.. Not feel drugged. Now they just think I'm lazy and unsocial but I've tried to explain certain aspects of my illness. They are teenagers though and I'm almost grateful they don't understand because that means they aren't likely experiencing bipolar symptoms.
I want to be better but feel I'm running out of options. My pdoc is conservative and I feel like I disappointed him each time I go in. He likes to stick with the meds such as lamotrigine, ability, Latuda, lithium and Depakote... As well. As the dreaded anti depressants. I just don't know where to go from here. I am very depressed and can't sleep at night but am so tired and fight off a nap during the day or give in. I rarely make nice dinners anymore and want to hide in my room. I'm not working and am too scared too and suffer extreme pain from a knee injury to top it off. I'm at the point of ending yet another relationship because I just am not dealing well. Sorry so long... But I hope this explains me a little better.
Posted by Tomatheus on February 29, 2016, at 1:00:30
In reply to Re: Hey everyone.. Newby here, posted by Fiftylager1 on February 28, 2016, at 23:45:00
Fiftylager1,
Thank you for taking the time to describe the symptoms that you've endured and the experiences that you've had with doctors and psychiatric medications. Without a doubt, bipolar disorder can be a difficult condition to live with. And I think that living with a mental health condition such as bipolar disorder can become a lot more complicated when the treatments that are prescribed and/or recommended don't produce the intended results, especially when this happens with one treatment after another. Not only do we the patients end up feeling disappointed and frustrated with the mental health system when the results of the treatments that are offered to us turn out to be quite different than what we were hoping for, but along the lines of what you pointed out, our family members, friends, and coworkers (if we have them) also end up becoming impatient, disappointed, and even resentful of us when we experience ongoing symptoms (or medication side effects) that might interfere with being able to living up to some of the expectations that those in our lives might have of us. When the treatment of a mental health condition doesn't go well, all of those close to the patient being treated end up being affected, and I think that this can have a tendency to intensify any feelings of helplessness that might already exist in the minds of us patients.
The search for solutions can definitely be challenging, to say the least, when a patient diagnosed with bipolar disorder or another mental health condition has not responded favorably to first and second-line treatments. One approach that some find to be helpful after (or even before) going through several medication trials with little to no success is to look beyond medications and psychiatry, sometimes as more of a means of adding to what mainstream psychiatry has to offer instead of being a means of replacing psychiatric care. Psychosocial treatment approaches, alternative treatments, and paying close attention to lifestyle factors like diet, exercise, and sleep can sometimes be of value in the management of mood disorders, even if such methods of managing mental health conditions don't necessarily lead to a reduction of symptoms in all patients. As the case is with psychiatric medications, other methods of managing mental health conditions are not necessarily going to be helpful for everyone who utilizes them, but I think that it can be beneficial to explore as many different approaches to treatment as possible to see if there might be some form of treatment that you might not have thought about that might somehow serve you well.
At any rate, I'd encourage you to take the approach or approaches to managing your condition that you feel would be best. I know that I didn't offer a whole lot of specifics in what I recommended in the above paragraph, but I definitely would keep looking for answers in any places where you think you might be able to find them.
Take care,
Tomatheus
Posted by SLS on February 29, 2016, at 6:40:55
In reply to Re: Hey everyone.. Newby here, posted by Fiftylager1 on February 28, 2016, at 23:45:00
I'm glad you had such a productive interaction with Tomatheus. He's one of a kind.
I agree that most antidepressants are bad for you, primarily because you are bipolar. Any antidepressant can cause a switch into mania or hypomania, but some worse than others.
If you haven't tried Trileptal, I would consider taking it in place of Depakote. Depakote is okay for mania, but rarely helps for depression. It can even make depression worse. Trileptal might very well help with the hypomanic component of your mixed state. People who have anger or impulse control issues often respond well to Trileptal. In my experience, Trileptal has no discernible if any side effects. The only thing to watch for is a loss of blood sodium (hyponatremia). I would keep the Lamictal and possibly switch from Abilify to Geodon for both depression and perhaps act as a prophylactic against mania. Geodon can work for bipolar depression without having an antidepressant on board. From what I have observed, Abilify is not so good without an antidepressant. Saphris also has antidpressive effects in the absence of an antidepressant.
What has been your experience with lithium? What dosage are you taking and what is your blood level?
You will need to be patient, especially if there is any rapid cyclicity involved. The NIMH recommends combining lithium with Lamictal in these cases. Lamictal has been shown to help with ultra-rapid cyclicity, but can take as long as 6 months to penetrate the cycle.
As you already know, there are no guarantees as to how an individual will respond to any given drug. It would be wonderful if my suggestions were to get you well, but they might make you feel worse.
This is just one possible course of action. Of course, you must rely on the judgement of your doctor.
1. Depakote -> Trileptal
2. Abilify -> Geodon -> Saphris
3. Lamictal 300 mg/day as tolerated
4. Latuda? Possibly discontinue
5. lithium? Possibly reduce dosage
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 29, 2016, at 10:27:39
In reply to Re: Hey everyone.. Newby here » Fiftylager1, posted by SLS on February 29, 2016, at 6:40:55
> I'm glad you had such a productive interaction with Tomatheus. He's one of a kind.
>
> I agree that most antidepressants are bad for you, primarily because you are bipolar. Any antidepressant can cause a switch into mania or hypomania, but some worse than others.
>
> If you haven't tried Trileptal, I would consider taking it in place of Depakote. Depakote is okay for mania, but rarely helps for depression. It can even make depression worse. Trileptal might very well help with the hypomanic component of your mixed state. People who have anger or impulse control issues often respond well to Trileptal. In my experience, Trileptal has no discernible if any side effects. The only thing to watch for is a loss of blood sodium (hyponatremia). I would keep the Lamictal and possibly switch from Abilify to Geodon for both depression and perhaps act as a prophylactic against mania. Geodon can work for bipolar depression without having an antidepressant on board. From what I have observed, Abilify is not so good without an antidepressant. Saphris also has antidpressive effects in the absence of an antidepressant.
>
> What has been your experience with lithium? What dosage are you taking and what is your blood level?
>
> You will need to be patient, especially if there is any rapid cyclicity involved. The NIMH recommends combining lithium with Lamictal in these cases. Lamictal has been shown to help with ultra-rapid cyclicity, but can take as long as 6 months to penetrate the cycle.
>
> As you already know, there are no guarantees as to how an individual will respond to any given drug. It would be wonderful if my suggestions were to get you well, but they might make you feel worse.
>
> This is just one possible course of action. Of course, you must rely on the judgement of your doctor.
>
> 1. Depakote -> Trileptal
> 2. Abilify -> Geodon -> Saphris
> 3. Lamictal 300 mg/day as tolerated
> 4. Latuda? Possibly discontinue
> 5. lithium? Possibly reduce dosage
>
>
> - ScottFriends,
Be not deceived. There are millions of people in their graves that were prescribed these drugs and took them as prescribed by their doctor and were killed by the drug. And many of those drugged by the doctors killed innocent people.
And children reading here could take the advice you give them like a brother. Their life span could be shortened, they could receive addiction and get life-ruining conditions and death. This is in part caused by the fallacious argument that these drugs are medicines. But a medicine is something that treats a disease. These conditions are not a disease. If they were, then the drugs could cure them, but they do not. These drugs are chemicals used to kill, they are nerve agents used in the commission of mass-murder and to kill parasitic worms and rats.
There is a way to get off the train of death but I am prevented by Mr. Hsiung to post that here due to his prohibition to me to not post the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me.
But the foundation of death is allowed to be promulgated here as the train leaves daily here to transport those taking these drugs to their deaths. And once you are on that train of death, it is most difficult to get off of it because you become captive to the psychiatrists and their drugs by addiction and the false ideas of psychiatry that deceives you into thinking that you have a disease, where no disease is justified to be claimed, and you have to take their concoctions of death that they call "medicines". And then they could convince you that you have a chemical imbalance and their drugs will correct that imbalance. The imbalance will come from taking their drugs and keep you on the train to death to try to find another drug to offset the imbalance that the psychiatrist gave you.
And all the while posters here keep insisting that there is the fantasy out there that you have been given the wrong drug and they will help you to find the right drug for you. Those people that do that here could look back at the people here that were killed by the drugs or killed themselves and ask themselves if the blood of those killed could be upon them. After all, they could have gotten them on the train to their deaths and gave them a ticket to ride.
All aboard,
Lou
Posted by SLS on February 29, 2016, at 12:24:33
In reply to Re: Hey everyone.. Newby here » Fiftylager1, posted by SLS on February 29, 2016, at 6:40:55
I rewrote the subject line to return it to its original text and removed Lou Pilder's name from it.
- Scott
Posted by 10derheart on March 1, 2016, at 18:49:20
In reply to Lou's warning-train to death » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on February 28, 2016, at 20:09:02
>>Do you want to be like Scott?
In many ways I most certainly do. I try to and hope to emulate many of Scott's qualities.
(((Scott)))
-- 10der
Posted by Larry Hoover on March 6, 2016, at 23:02:17
In reply to Lou's grave warning-all aboard-a ticket to ride » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on February 29, 2016, at 10:27:39
>These drugs are chemicals used to kill, they are nerve agents used in the commission of mass-murder and to kill parasitic worms and rats.
Psycho Lou, there is a heck of a lot more in those that I will deal with in due course, but let's start here.
What you have stated here is false. By what authority do I state that, Lou? I am a chemist. I am an environmental toxicologist.
You, Lou, are a clueless sociopath, who will say anything to try and support your pathological narcissism. You were not informed by divine intervention. You are mentally ill. Severely mentally ill.
If you doubt that, Lou, I will proceed to discuss other sentences in this post.
Lar
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 7, 2016, at 6:42:16
In reply to Re: Lou's grave warning-all aboard-a ticket to ride » Lou Pilder, posted by Larry Hoover on March 6, 2016, at 23:02:17
> >These drugs are chemicals used to kill, they are nerve agents used in the commission of mass-murder and to kill parasitic worms and rats.
>
> Psycho Lou, there is a heck of a lot more in those that I will deal with in due course, but let's start here.
>
> What you have stated here is false. By what authority do I state that, Lou? I am a chemist. I am an environmental toxicologist.
>
> You, Lou, are a clueless sociopath, who will say anything to try and support your pathological narcissism. You were not informed by divine intervention. You are mentally ill. Severely mentally ill.
>
> If you doubt that, Lou, I will proceed to discuss other sentences in this post.
>
> LarFriends,
Be not deceived. The tactics of those that want to defame Jews is to represent them as liars. This is part of the game plan for centuries. Here we have the classic anti-Semitic community that the owner/operator allows defamation to be heaped upon me and giving those that post such hate immunity from his enforcement policy.
But be it as it may be, your life is at stake here by reading the slander against me here as being supportive by Mr. Hsiung and his deputies of record. The tragedy here is that children could be killed by reading here.
You see, I have come here to take those chains off your heart and set you free. Free from the slavery of addiction to these mind-altering chemicals that come from pesticides and insecticides. These chemicals are not medicines, for they do not treat a disease nor cure what you have. They are chemical nerve-agents. But it is much worse than that. But let us look first at this:
Lou
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenothiazine
Posted by Fiftylager1 on March 7, 2016, at 8:28:28
In reply to Lou's response-take those chains off your heart » Larry Hoover, posted by Lou Pilder on March 7, 2016, at 6:42:16
Maybe he's suffering psychosis.. He's clearly not taking medsmeds.. I'm juse ignoring his babble from now on.
Posted by Larry Hoover on March 7, 2016, at 22:36:09
In reply to Lou's response-take those chains off your heart » Larry Hoover, posted by Lou Pilder on March 7, 2016, at 6:42:16
Lou, I told you to drop the religion card. Don't do it again, unless you want to prove you're a sociopath with a low IQ.
Your link to phenothiazine is precisely the type of BS that I was calling you on. Phenothiazine is a precursor to other substances. Its properties are not the same as those other substances. There is no "memory" of what once existed, in the properties of the final chemical product. Change one atom, and you change the properties. Permanently.
Lou, what do you get if you mix lye (Drano) with muriatic acid (concrete cleaner) in a ratio of 1.097 to 1, mixed in a little bit of water?
Lar
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 8, 2016, at 8:42:11
In reply to Re: Lou faces his Rubicon » Lou Pilder, posted by Larry Hoover on March 7, 2016, at 22:36:09
> Lou, I told you to drop the religion card. Don't do it again, unless you want to prove you're a sociopath with a low IQ.
>
> Your link to phenothiazine is precisely the type of BS that I was calling you on. Phenothiazine is a precursor to other substances. Its properties are not the same as those other substances. There is no "memory" of what once existed, in the properties of the final chemical product. Change one atom, and you change the properties. Permanently.
>
> Lou, what do you get if you mix lye (Drano) with muriatic acid (concrete cleaner) in a ratio of 1.097 to 1, mixed in a little bit of water?
>
> LarFriends,
Be not deceived. Let us look at this:
Lou
https://www.madinamerica.com/2011/11/5EF5BFtimeline
Mr. Hoover is allowed to defame me here by Mr. Hsiung and any deputy of record. This could induce hostile and disagreeable opinions and feelings toward me and decrease the respect, regard and confidence in which I am held.
This is how anti-Semitism is created and developed in a community. The Jews in the community are allowed to be defamed with impunity by the leaders which creates two standards as the Jew is not afforded equal protection of the laws or rules here. This creates a hostile environment for Jews here as Mr. Hsiung allows anti-Semitic propaganda to be seen as being supportive by him and worse, that in his thinking it will better his community as a whole.
This is nothing new, but part of the playbook that has been used for centuries to arouse hatred toward the Jews. Here, Mr. Hoover could seriously mislead you to your deaths. And Mr. Hsiung allows
the defamation against me to be seen as being supportive. My friends, modifying a chemical constituent could make it more water or fat soluble so that the drug can enter the brain easier or faster or increase the potency of the drug without changing the neurotoxicity of the nerve-agent in the drug. The molecule in the drugs in question here can still cause tardive dyskinesia even of they are chloronated, fluorinated, methylated piperdined or diazapined or a whole lot more modifications to the original molecule. Brain damage could still happen from those drugs as well from the original molecule. The original molecule comes from benzene. A benzodiazepine could still cause addiction and worse. The drugs modified could still cause diabetes, liver failure, blood diseases and worse. Thousands of people are killed by these drugs each month. They came from chemicals used in insecticides, and to kill parasitic worms.
Mr. Hsiung is allowing Mr. Hoover to post what could cause your death if you think that these drugs have been changed by chemical manipulation so that they are safer than they really are. You can still die from the drugs when modified chemically as you could from the original molecule. And worse, children reading here could discard what I post and be led to their deaths. Oh, the horrors of this site.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 8, 2016, at 9:13:40
In reply to Lou's response-create and develop antisemitism » Larry Hoover, posted by Lou Pilder on March 8, 2016, at 8:42:11
> > Lou, I told you to drop the religion card. Don't do it again, unless you want to prove you're a sociopath with a low IQ.
> >
> > Your link to phenothiazine is precisely the type of BS that I was calling you on. Phenothiazine is a precursor to other substances. Its properties are not the same as those other substances. There is no "memory" of what once existed, in the properties of the final chemical product. Change one atom, and you change the properties. Permanently.
> >
> > Lou, what do you get if you mix lye (Drano) with muriatic acid (concrete cleaner) in a ratio of 1.097 to 1, mixed in a little bit of water?
> >
> > Lar
>
> Friends,
> Be not deceived. Let us look at this:
> Lou
> https://www.madinamerica.com/2011/11/5EF5BFtimeline
> Mr. Hoover is allowed to defame me here by Mr. Hsiung and any deputy of record. This could induce hostile and disagreeable opinions and feelings toward me and decrease the respect, regard and confidence in which I am held.
> This is how anti-Semitism is created and developed in a community. The Jews in the community are allowed to be defamed with impunity by the leaders which creates two standards as the Jew is not afforded equal protection of the laws or rules here. This creates a hostile environment for Jews here as Mr. Hsiung allows anti-Semitic propaganda to be seen as being supportive by him and worse, that in his thinking it will better his community as a whole.
> This is nothing new, but part of the playbook that has been used for centuries to arouse hatred toward the Jews. Here, Mr. Hoover could seriously mislead you to your deaths. And Mr. Hsiung allows
> the defamation against me to be seen as being supportive. My friends, modifying a chemical constituent could make it more water or fat soluble so that the drug can enter the brain easier or faster or increase the potency of the drug without changing the neurotoxicity of the nerve-agent in the drug. The molecule in the drugs in question here can still cause tardive dyskinesia even of they are chloronated, fluorinated, methylated piperdined or diazapined or a whole lot more modifications to the original molecule. Brain damage could still happen from those drugs as well from the original molecule. The original molecule comes from benzene. A benzodiazepine could still cause addiction and worse. The drugs modified could still cause diabetes, liver failure, blood diseases and worse. Thousands of people are killed by these drugs each month. They came from chemicals used in insecticides, and to kill parasitic worms.
> Mr. Hsiung is allowing Mr. Hoover to post what could cause your death if you think that these drugs have been changed by chemical manipulation so that they are safer than they really are. You can still die from the drugs when modified chemically as you could from the original molecule. And worse, children reading here could discard what I post and be led to their deaths. Oh, the horrors of this site.
> LouFriends,
These drugs originated from drugs that were used to kill insects and parasitic worms and rats. Here is the timeline for such:
Lou
https://www.madinamerica.com/2011/11/%EF%BB%BFtimeline
Posted by Fiftylager1 on March 8, 2016, at 9:52:09
In reply to Lou's response-timeline, posted by Lou Pilder on March 8, 2016, at 9:13:40
Ever heard of Coumadin.. A life saving drug that prevents blood clotting and saves millions of people. It's also called warfarin. A medication used to kill rats and mice. You are a pathetic troll. I bet you sit behind your computer all day doing things I won't even say andand getting pleasure out of tormenting the already tormented. Go somewhere else. Some people here are on the verge of suicide because they don't take meds and many others have already killed themselves because they didn't get a proper diagnosis or medication. I'd be dead already if not for medication. My medication is not perfect and may need to be changed but better then dead I guess. You are promoting stigma and hate. No one on here believes a thing you say so why don't you take your repetitive message elsewhere and get a life while you're at it. This is a support board not a troll board.
Posted by J Kelly on March 8, 2016, at 11:28:37
In reply to Lou's response-timeline, posted by Lou Pilder on March 8, 2016, at 9:13:40
Lou?
Meh
Indifference; to be used when one simply does not care.
Jade
Posted by Tabitha on March 8, 2016, at 11:45:33
In reply to Lou's response-timeline, posted by Lou Pilder on March 8, 2016, at 9:13:40
> https://www.madinamerica.com/2011/11/%EF%BB%BFtimeline
Wow, that site is a horrifying collection of unsubstantiated claims, inneundo, and straw-man arguments.
I found one article by a psychiatrist who had a personal revelation while pregnant that psychiatric drugs were dangerous for everyone, not just pregnant people. She then devoted herself to taking her patients off drugs, based on no evidence but her personal feelings. Commenters in her article claim that schizophrenia and bipolar disorder don't exist and should not be medicated!
I feel sad for people like our own Lou Pilder that believe this mis-information and avoid getting appropriate treatment.
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