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Posted by SLS on December 3, 2015, at 9:47:19
At first, there will be a deluge of postings by the troll as they get more and more desperate for attention. They crave attention, engagement, and disruption, which they can't get if they are totally ignored. They don't much care if their behavior makes them a pariah and an outcast. They are often narcissists. It is best not to engage. I'm sure I will from time to time, but I almost never open the posts of a troll once I become familiar with their posting behaviors. I simply don't care what they have to say, unless they are upsetting someone.
My goal is simple. I hope to have people avoid getting upset, myself included. In addition, I would like to avoid the very high dropout rate by people who abhor being on a mental health forum with a troll. Some very fine and long-standing members of the Psycho-Babble community have left, describing their leaving as being the result of the lack of moderation that would otherwise block a troll from littering the board.
For me, I feel that it is important for me to express my feelings to Dr. Bob, and to describe what I see. I'm going to write a letter directly to Dr. Bob at:
- Scott
Posted by herpills on December 3, 2015, at 13:12:39
In reply to It is totally cool to ignore the posts of a troll., posted by SLS on December 3, 2015, at 9:47:19
Posted by elanor roosevelt on December 3, 2015, at 23:00:27
In reply to good advice (nm) » SLS, posted by herpills on December 3, 2015, at 13:12:39
yes,
i've been thinking of giving up on the site
thanks for your post Scott
Posted by topdog on December 4, 2015, at 6:11:18
In reply to It is totally cool to ignore the posts of a troll., posted by SLS on December 3, 2015, at 9:47:19
What is the purpose of Lou Pilder posts? I can understand that he does not like drugs too much, but what is he saying that has been forbidden to post here? Is he a religious extremist or just anti-drug troll?
Posted by SLS on December 4, 2015, at 10:02:43
In reply to Re: It is totally cool to ignore the posts of a troll., posted by topdog on December 4, 2015, at 6:11:18
> What is the purpose of Lou Pilder posts?
He often says that he is here to save lives. He also dedicates a great deal of his writings to the subject of antisemitism.
Of course, determining what and who is a troll is a subjective exercise. I am convinced that trolls exist, though. I'm sure some people think that I'm a troll.
Regarding Lou Pilder, I would not want to disclose all of my thoughts on his behaviors nor describe a model of his psyche. I doubt that everyone here considers him to be a troll, but I find his posting behaviors to be destructive to the Psycho-Babble website. In my estimation, a moderator should block Mr. Pilder from posting. He has come to violate this website's guidelines for civil communication as can be found in this website's FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
> I can understand that he does not like drugs too much, but what is he saying that has been forbidden to post here? Is he a religious extremist or just anti-drug troll?
It is a mystery to me.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 4, 2015, at 10:35:57
In reply to Re: good advice, posted by elanor roosevelt on December 3, 2015, at 23:00:27
> yes,
> i've been thinking of giving up on the site
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> thanks for your post Scotter,
You wrote that you have been thinking of giving up on this site. I am unsure as to why you are thinking that. If you could answer the following, then I could respond.
True or False:
I am thinking about giving up on this site because:
A. It is supportive to post that these drugs promoted here could cause suicidal thinking
B. It is supportive here to post that these drugs promoted here could cause death
C. It is supportive here to post that these drugs promoted here could cause life-ruining conditions and addictions
D. It is supportive here to post that these drugs combined could increase the adverse consequences exponentially
E. It is supportive here to post that the mechanism of action of most of these drugs is unknown.
F. It is supportive here for a Jew to object to Mr. Hsiung posting the swastika and refusing to delete it.
G. It is supportive here for a Jew to object to anti-Semitic propaganda being allowed to be seen as civil here where it is originally posted.
Fill in:
I am considering leaving here because____________________________________________________________________________________________Lou
Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 4, 2015, at 14:12:30
In reply to Lou's response-duhreezon » elanor roosevelt, posted by Lou Pilder on December 4, 2015, at 10:35:57
Lou I can find a website for you to post about anti-sent ism, but you can irritate people here, i'm not saying that to be mean, i irritate people just to delibrarly annoying, but i don't you understand this is causing a friction and for posters to not enjoy seeing these posts.
This site is for support and your responding to people with over-propgranda posts, people drive everyday in cars and still have car accidents, there's tons of other things that are there that are similar to med-inducing death and thats why it's getting pointless and aggravating
I mean, what happened in your past, was there an event that happened that caused you to be so urgent in this topic?
Posted by baseball55 on December 4, 2015, at 19:00:39
In reply to Re: It is totally cool to ignore the posts of a troll., posted by topdog on December 4, 2015, at 6:11:18
> What is the purpose of Lou Pilder posts? I can understand that he does not like drugs too much, but what is he saying that has been forbidden to post here? Is he a religious extremist or just anti-drug troll?
Who cares? He is boring and always says the same thing and never adds anything substantive to a discussion. I don't read his posts and I don't read relies to his posts. I don't understand the occasional angst about them. Every public internet forum has irritating posters and most people just ignore them.
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 4, 2015, at 19:05:09
In reply to Re: Lou's response-duhreezon, posted by rjlockhart37 on December 4, 2015, at 14:12:30
> Lou I can find a website for you to post about anti-sent ism, but you can irritate people here, i'm not saying that to be mean, i irritate people just to delibrarly annoying, but i don't you understand this is causing a friction and for posters to not enjoy seeing these posts.
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> This site is for support and your responding to people with over-propgranda posts, people drive everyday in cars and still have car accidents, there's tons of other things that are there that are similar to med-inducing death and thats why it's getting pointless and aggravating
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> I mean, what happened in your past, was there an event that happened that caused you to be so urgent in this topic?
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> rj,
You used the analogy that people drive cars and there are deaths due to accidents in the cars.
But let us look at that analogy to see if drives straight.
There are cars that have unsafe attributes to them and the manufacturer recalls those for repairs to make them safe. Recently, certain air-bags could malfunction in a collision and there were deaths from the faulty manufacture of the bags. And there have been cases of faulty brakes, faulty wheels and now deliberate fraud to circumvent the pollution controls by the manufacturer to make the cars seem more fuel efficient than they really are and the manufacturer may not be able to remedy this with the EPA. But the EPA is on top of the situation and will act to have VW correct the fraud.
And then there are cars in their entirety that were unsafe and the manufacturer stopped making them. I remember the Pinto and the Corvair. The Chev was designed intricately but had an unsafe balance to it as the rear engine air-cooled engine was problematic in cornering and was ruled unsafe at any speed by consumer advocates and Chev stopped production. They could have remedied the design but consumer sentiment stopped that. There were a lot of deaths involved with that car.
Another is still made today, the Corvett. More deaths than in any other car. But the car is designed to go fast and those that buy them know that. And speed kills.
One of the great cars never made it. It was made by Preston Tucker in 1949. It also had a rear engine but Tucker planned the car out correctly and it handled beautifully for its day, even with an air-cooled rear engine from a helicopter.
Cars can be analogous to drugs. If a defect is in the car, the manufacturer fixes it so that it doesn't continually happen to kill people. And if the car is defective that results in deaths, the manufacturer stops making it.
Now if a drug has a defect in it that causes deaths, the manufacturer still allows it to be produced. Where is the FDA? Are they driving Corvairs and Pintos?
Lou
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6jzCdESDrc
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Posted by SLS on December 4, 2015, at 20:26:42
In reply to Re: It is totally cool to ignore the posts of a troll. » topdog, posted by baseball55 on December 4, 2015, at 19:00:39
> > What is the purpose of Lou Pilder posts? I can understand that he does not like drugs too much, but what is he saying that has been forbidden to post here? Is he a religious extremist or just anti-drug troll?
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> Who cares? He is boring and always says the same thing and never adds anything substantive to a discussion. I don't read his posts and I don't read relies to his posts. I don't understand the occasional angst about them. Every public internet forum has irritating posters and most people just ignore them.There is angst.
Who cares why? (A sociologist might care why).
People do not ignore his posts. Not every mentally ill person looking for survival will know what a troll is.
Too many people ignore this website. Too many people leave this website. How many moderators would allow this kind of post to litter and overwhelm a mental health forum?
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on December 5, 2015, at 17:32:18
In reply to Re: It is totally cool to ignore the posts of a troll. » baseball55, posted by SLS on December 4, 2015, at 20:26:42
I left for this reason also. Sad to see Dr Bob abandoned this site. And Lou do not post to me. I also do not read your posts. Over and over again the same old garbage. I remember your post once where you said a med caused you to have tinnitus. Phillipa
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 6, 2015, at 8:07:41
In reply to Re: It is totally cool to ignore the posts of a troll. » baseball55, posted by SLS on December 4, 2015, at 20:26:42
> > > What is the purpose of Lou Pilder posts? I can understand that he does not like drugs too much, but what is he saying that has been forbidden to post here? Is he a religious extremist or just anti-drug troll?
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> > Who cares? He is boring and always says the same thing and never adds anything substantive to a discussion. I don't read his posts and I don't read relies to his posts. I don't understand the occasional angst about them. Every public internet forum has irritating posters and most people just ignore them.
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> There is angst.
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> Who cares why? (A sociologist might care why).
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> People do not ignore his posts. Not every mentally ill person looking for survival will know what a troll is.
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> Too many people ignore this website. Too many people leave this website. How many moderators would allow this kind of post to litter and overwhelm a mental health forum?
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> - Scott
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Scott,
I could be seen as your subject person here and what you have posted about my character could induce hostile and disagreeable opinions and feelings toward me and decrease the respect, regard and confidence in which I am held.
And worse, because Mr. Hsiung is allowing you to do so with impunity from his enforcement policy, readers could think that you are in concert with Mr. Hsiung to defame me and inflict emotional harm on me through stigmatization and dehumanization of me as I am being denied equal protection of the rules here that harm not only me but humanity itself as for me to be seen by you as being used as a scapegoat for real or imagined reasons for people not being seen here. This scapegoating is a terrible is a terrible is a terrible thing to do in a mental health community chaired by a psychiatrist that allows you and others to spread hate. And those that suffer a horrible death from here, their blood will not be upon me.
Lou
Posted by baseball55 on December 6, 2015, at 18:54:12
In reply to Re: It is totally cool to ignore the posts of a troll. » baseball55, posted by SLS on December 4, 2015, at 20:26:42
That's a good point Scott. I hadn't thought about new posters who are not already jaded about Lou. Well, Bob has done nothing about it. I appreciate your decision to always go back to the original subject line. Maybe it would be useful to respond with new posters by telling them to take Lou with a grain of salt. I don't know what the solution is though, if Bob won't deal with it. And it seems that Bob had gone completely AWOL.
> > Who cares? He is boring and always says the same thing and never adds anything substantive to a discussion. I don't read his posts and I don't read relies to his posts. I don't understand the occasional angst about them. Every public internet forum has irritating posters and most people just ignore them.
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> There is angst.
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> Who cares why? (A sociologist might care why).
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> People do not ignore his posts. Not every mentally ill person looking for survival will know what a troll is.
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> Too many people ignore this website. Too many people leave this website. How many moderators would allow this kind of post to litter and overwhelm a mental health forum?
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> - Scott
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Posted by Phillipa on December 6, 2015, at 19:58:23
In reply to Re: It is totally cool to ignore the posts of a troll. » SLS, posted by baseball55 on December 6, 2015, at 18:54:12
I think he's gone. Since site not associated with University of Chicago anymore? Phillipa
Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 6, 2015, at 21:37:57
In reply to Re: It is totally cool to ignore the posts of a troll. » baseball55, posted by Phillipa on December 6, 2015, at 19:58:23
they read our posts......the university, and also google, i wish i had the eyes of the oracle and knew what exactly dr-bob is doing but my best guess is he browses maybe once a while babble, but it's not in his main intrest anymore, like maybe us posters could start a site for ourselves instead of being monitered through the university of chicago.....or really the world of google
we can all make this site become alive again, but right now it just looks like a drift, if the univsirty stopped looking at this site, or broke it's ties it's because of wacky posts, and they didnt want to associate with this site anymore, so......
like my personal view - this is a site to post about meds, advice, personal blogs, jokes, politics, and poster's insight, but it seemed to lose the energy, and there are some things that cause new posters to mainly read instead of post.......
and some of the posts i wrote where troll like in the past and caused disruption in ease of reading, and i no longer choose to write those things - exaggerated, just my thoughts and no longer post repelling posts that disturb people, or give negative biorhythms
Are the dupeties even still here? i havent seen someone getting blocked in a while, hope they didnt leave too....
Posted by SLS on December 6, 2015, at 22:24:18
In reply to Re: It is totally cool to ignore the posts of a troll., posted by rjlockhart37 on December 6, 2015, at 21:37:57
> and some of the posts i wrote where troll like in the past
Never.
> and caused disruption in ease of reading
You were not at all disruptive.
> and i no longer choose to write those things - exaggerated, just my thoughts and no longer post repelling posts that disturb people, or give negative biorhythms
Hopefully, we are all constantly growing as you have been. You were what you were. You couldn't be anything else. Along the way, you have always worked to be your best you.
> Are the dupeties even still here?
Most of them officially resigned years ago.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 7, 2015, at 6:25:38
In reply to Re: It is totally cool to ignore the posts of a troll. » SLS, posted by baseball55 on December 6, 2015, at 18:54:12
> That's a good point Scott. I hadn't thought about new posters who are not already jaded about Lou. Well, Bob has done nothing about it. I appreciate your decision to always go back to the original subject line. Maybe it would be useful to respond with new posters by telling them to take Lou with a grain of salt. I don't know what the solution is though, if Bob won't deal with it. And it seems that Bob had gone completely AWOL.
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> > > Who cares? He is boring and always says the same thing and never adds anything substantive to a discussion. I don't read his posts and I don't read relies to his posts. I don't understand the occasional angst about them. Every public internet forum has irritating posters and most people just ignore them.
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> > There is angst.
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> > Who cares why? (A sociologist might care why).
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> > People do not ignore his posts. Not every mentally ill person looking for survival will know what a troll is.
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> > Too many people ignore this website. Too many people leave this website. How many moderators would allow this kind of post to litter and overwhelm a mental health forum?
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> > - Scott
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> bb55,
You have posted advocating that new posters to take me with a grain of salt.
That could defame me here and decrease the respect, regard and confidence in which I am held and induce hostile and disagreeable opinions and feelings toward me. And worse, Mr. Hsiung is allowing you to post such with impunity from his enforcement policy.
Since you have not specified what readers are to take with a grain of salt of what I post here, that could then mean that anything that I post here is to be taken with a grain of salt. This could then mean that people could be deceived here to think that my efforts to try to stop Mr. Hsiung and members here from allowing the anti-Semitic propaganda against the Jews being allowed to be seen as being supportive here, or the defamation heaped upon me here with impunity, should be taken with a grain of salt. That could arouse more anti-Semitic hate here and more defamation against me here by posters taking your advice. For the reality
of a psychiatrist allowing anti-Semitic hate to be seen as being supportive by him could induce a mind-set to embrace not only hatred toward the Jews, but hatred toward others also. That could bring from the past to here a backward vision of what will be good for a community as a whole to resurrect racism and the swastika as Mr. Hsiung posts here flaunting his own rule to not post anything about Nazis.
If you succeed in resurrecting that type of hate here, there could be deaths from people entertaining the hate in their minds. And innocent people could be killed by those that think that it will be good for their community to kill Jews and others. Their blood will not be upon me.
Lou
Posted by Phillipa on December 7, 2015, at 19:37:37
In reply to Re: It is totally cool to ignore the posts of a troll., posted by rjlockhart37 on December 6, 2015, at 21:37:57
Deputies left years ago. None here at all. Bob still on facebook? Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on December 7, 2015, at 19:44:44
In reply to Lou's response-a backward vision » baseball55, posted by Lou Pilder on December 7, 2015, at 6:25:38
Lou Happy Hanuka!!!! Phillipa
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 9, 2015, at 13:17:41
In reply to Re: Lou's response-a backward vision » Lou Pilder, posted by Phillipa on December 7, 2015, at 19:44:44
> Lou Happy Hanuka!!!! Phillipa
Phillipa,
I am pleased by you posting that. You also show that I am not the only one here that has bad spelling. :)
Lou
Posted by Phillipa on December 9, 2015, at 20:27:03
In reply to Lou's reply-bhadd psbelleeng, posted by Lou Pilder on December 9, 2015, at 13:17:41
Lou you are welcome. Spell check gave me this spelling. Sorry about this. Have a Happy Holiday . Phillipa
Posted by Lamdage22 on December 13, 2015, at 3:44:33
In reply to Lou's response-a backward vision » baseball55, posted by Lou Pilder on December 7, 2015, at 6:25:38
I dont like those meds very much either.
They are telling me to try prozac. Which i can only imagine would be akathisia inducing, suicidality inducing, hostility inducing and psychosis inducing, or psychosis and anxiety.
Needless to say, i am fed up with pharmaceuticals.
Posted by SLS on December 13, 2015, at 7:19:29
In reply to Re: Lou's response-a backward vision, posted by Lamdage22 on December 13, 2015, at 3:44:33
> I dont like those meds very much either.
Neither do I. For me, I don't have any better choice at the moment. Hopefully, better choices will become available in future moments.
> They are telling me to try prozac. Which i can only imagine would be akathisia inducing, suicidality inducing, hostility inducing and psychosis inducing, or psychosis and anxiety.
I think your assessment of Prozac is valid compared to other SSRIs. You are well-educated. All I can say is that you never know. I try not to exclude a treatment from consideration, even if I place it last on my list. Of course, I do have my own "no-way" list.
> Needless to say, i am fed up with pharmaceuticals.
This is very understandable. I hope your current treatment strategy works. Stay vigilant and keep moving.
When you have a chance, make a list of pharmaceuticals and other substances that interact with St. John's wort.
- Scott
Posted by Christ_empowered on December 13, 2015, at 9:00:02
In reply to Re: Lou's response-a backward vision, posted by Lamdage22 on December 13, 2015, at 3:44:33
Its a well-studied combination. The SEs aren't supposed to be too terrible. The zyprexa helps reduce agitation and the prozac (I think) reduces sedation a bit.
I'm not you, I'm just sayin...there's some interesting, solid data on olanzapine+fluoxetine.
Posted by Lamdage22 on December 16, 2015, at 12:35:38
In reply to It is totally cool to ignore the posts of a troll » Lamdage22, posted by SLS on December 13, 2015, at 7:19:29
> > I dont like those meds very much either.
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> Neither do I. For me, I don't have any better choice at the moment. Hopefully, better choices will become available in future moments.My next big hope is Cannabidiol.
It may be so strong an antipsychotic that i can take treatments that make me psychotic now.
It may be antidepressant itsself.
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