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Posted by Lamdage22 on August 22, 2015, at 5:13:54
In reply to Re: problematic benzo use! not ? !!!, posted by Lamdage22 on August 22, 2015, at 5:11:44
Alcohol just happens to be accepted in society and thats all the difference to drugs there is.
Posted by Phil on August 22, 2015, at 16:05:58
In reply to Re: problematic benzo use! not ? !!!, posted by Lamdage22 on August 21, 2015, at 12:50:38
Then you have never been around severe, low-bottom alcoholics.
Posted by herpills on August 22, 2015, at 23:39:43
In reply to Re: problematic benzo use! not ? !!!, posted by Lamdage22 on August 22, 2015, at 5:10:15
> > > i think benzos are worse than alcohol.
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> > I don't understand the comparison? A benzo is a medication, alcohol is not.
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> > It's not a good idea to combine them.
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> Well they are both addicting drugs. If you follow this logic then alcohol is alcohol and drugs are drugs right??
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> NO!
>They can be addictive for some people.
Are you prone to addiction? Have you ever been diagnosed with substance abuse?
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 23, 2015, at 2:23:29
In reply to Re: problematic benzo use! not ? !!!, posted by Phil on August 22, 2015, at 16:05:58
> Then you have never been around severe, low-bottom alcoholics.
Phil, i have been in the hospital!
The difference to me is that Lorazepam doesnt cause a hangover. I think the hangover is a regulating factor with alcohol. For me anyways.
I will take low potency APs for a little relaxation and restrict Lorazepam for social anxiety only. This way i will use it only once a month or once every two months.
Posted by Phil on August 23, 2015, at 7:59:35
In reply to Re: problematic benzo use! not ? !!!, posted by Lamdage22 on August 23, 2015, at 2:23:29
Whatever works is good. Hangovers never limited my alcohol intake. So, I quit drinking 30 years ago.
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 23, 2015, at 9:12:49
In reply to Re: problematic benzo use! not ? !!! » Lamdage22, posted by Phil on August 23, 2015, at 7:59:35
Everyone is different.
Posted by phidippus on August 23, 2015, at 20:48:15
In reply to problematic benzo use?, posted by Lamdage22 on August 21, 2015, at 8:06:47
And you didn't fall asleep?
Eric
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 24, 2015, at 0:37:46
In reply to Re: problematic benzo use? » Lamdage22, posted by phidippus on August 23, 2015, at 20:48:15
> And you didn't fall asleep?
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> EricNot immediately. I did have 85% amnesia though^^
Posted by phidippus on August 24, 2015, at 11:04:40
In reply to Re: problematic benzo use?, posted by Lamdage22 on August 24, 2015, at 0:37:46
I don't know whether that's tragic or hilarious.
Eric
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 24, 2015, at 13:36:09
In reply to Re: problematic benzo use? » Lamdage22, posted by phidippus on August 24, 2015, at 11:04:40
Eric its okay... I havent taken lorazepam in a week so i am not addicted.
It was not a very good thing i did i have realized.
;)
Posted by phidippus on August 24, 2015, at 14:08:51
In reply to Re: problematic benzo use?, posted by Lamdage22 on August 24, 2015, at 13:36:09
Hey, have you ever tried Topomax for social anxiety? A couple studies show it can help.
Here's one of the studies: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15641873
Eric
Posted by baseball55 on August 24, 2015, at 20:53:12
In reply to Re: problematic benzo use? » Lamdage22, posted by phidippus on August 24, 2015, at 14:08:51
My thought - taking a fast-acting, psycho-active substance in an excessive dose to help you feel comfortable in a social situation and combining said substance with another fast-acting psychoactive substance that, you must know, is highly contraindicated with benzos, is very problematic. Or put it another way - what would your prescribing doctor think of this? I can't believe that 5mg +alcohol was what s/he prescribed.
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 25, 2015, at 6:35:55
In reply to Re: problematic benzo use? » Lamdage22, posted by phidippus on August 24, 2015, at 14:08:51
> Hey, have you ever tried Topomax for social anxiety? A couple studies show it can help.
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> Here's one of the studies: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15641873
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> Eric
>Never tried.
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 25, 2015, at 6:36:53
In reply to Re: problematic benzo use?, posted by baseball55 on August 24, 2015, at 20:53:12
> My thought - taking a fast-acting, psycho-active substance in an excessive dose to help you feel comfortable in a social situation and combining said substance with another fast-acting psychoactive substance that, you must know, is highly contraindicated with benzos, is very problematic. Or put it another way - what would your prescribing doctor think of this? I can't believe that 5mg +alcohol was what s/he prescribed.
No its not. I think 2mg was the max prescribed.
I wont do it again.
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 25, 2015, at 9:58:44
In reply to Re: problematic benzo use?, posted by Lamdage22 on August 25, 2015, at 6:36:53
topiramate is also appealing because of its weight loss effects.
Posted by phidippus on August 25, 2015, at 10:52:21
In reply to Re: problematic benzo use?, posted by baseball55 on August 24, 2015, at 20:53:12
My doctor tells me its alright to have a good stiff drink every now and then for my essential tremor.
Eric
Posted by phidippus on August 25, 2015, at 10:59:56
In reply to Re: problematic benzo use?, posted by Lamdage22 on August 25, 2015, at 6:35:55
Well, you can try Topomax or raise your Effexor, which are better options than alcohol and benzos.
Eric
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 25, 2015, at 11:01:40
In reply to Re: problematic benzo use? » Lamdage22, posted by phidippus on August 25, 2015, at 10:59:56
I am driving again so Topamax is no option. the side effects other than that are not very appealing either.
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 25, 2015, at 11:02:35
In reply to Re: problematic benzo use?, posted by Lamdage22 on August 25, 2015, at 11:01:40
as needed benzos are okay if you dont drive after.
I need this once a month tops.
Posted by phidippus on August 25, 2015, at 11:16:50
In reply to Re: problematic benzo use?, posted by Lamdage22 on August 25, 2015, at 11:01:40
You can drive on Topomax and side effects, the more serious ones, are uncommon.
If no Topomax, than raise your Effexor.
Eric
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 25, 2015, at 12:46:19
In reply to Re: problematic benzo use? » Lamdage22, posted by phidippus on August 25, 2015, at 11:16:50
> You can drive on Topomax and side effects, the more serious ones, are uncommon.
But can i drive on Seroquel, Zyprexa AND Topamax? Its too much of a gamble to me.
> If no Topomax, than raise your Effexor.
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> EricEffexor never did it that much to me.
Posted by phidippus on August 25, 2015, at 13:35:38
In reply to Re: problematic benzo use?, posted by Lamdage22 on August 25, 2015, at 12:46:19
Well, if your signature is correct, 37.5 mg of Effexor isn't even therapeutic. 300 mg is a good dose.
Eric
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 25, 2015, at 14:15:11
In reply to Re: problematic benzo use? » Lamdage22, posted by phidippus on August 25, 2015, at 13:35:38
Yeah idk, i want to keep it this way.
When i stop it i get problems, when i raise it there is no (additional) benefit.
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 25, 2015, at 14:16:00
In reply to Re: problematic benzo use?, posted by Lamdage22 on August 25, 2015, at 14:15:11
and anorgasmia really sucks.
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 26, 2015, at 4:18:19
In reply to Re: problematic benzo use?, posted by Lamdage22 on August 25, 2015, at 14:16:00
Eric,
the thing is that anorgasmia sucks just as much as social anxiety. So more Effexor isnt very useful. At the very best it would replace one problem with another.
Thats why the dosage is and stays low.
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