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Posted by Lamdage22 on August 2, 2015, at 4:42:19
The bottom line from my 5 years on PB is that medication is pretty much utterly useless.
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 2, 2015, at 4:43:21
In reply to 5 years on psychobabble, posted by Lamdage22 on August 2, 2015, at 4:42:19
and so is all the talk and all the trials.
Posted by SLS on August 2, 2015, at 5:54:42
In reply to Re: 5 years on psychobabble, posted by Lamdage22 on August 2, 2015, at 4:43:21
> and so is all the talk and all the trials.
I know that you have been struggling for a long time. Psychiatry has disappointed you. However, you remain persistent and still try to work with what little psychiatry has to offer.
When looking at your posting signature, I can't help but to wonder why you are taking only 12.5% of the dosage of Effexor that is often needed for people to respond well to it. What happens when you increase the dosage above 37.5 mg/day?
- Scott
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 2, 2015, at 8:00:19
In reply to Re: 5 years on psychobabble » Lamdage22, posted by SLS on August 2, 2015, at 5:54:42
more anorgasmia.
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 2, 2015, at 8:09:21
In reply to Re: 5 years on psychobabble, posted by Lamdage22 on August 2, 2015, at 8:00:19
and not that much more effect.
If any
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 2, 2015, at 11:25:51
In reply to Re: 5 years on psychobabble » Lamdage22, posted by SLS on August 2, 2015, at 5:54:42
> > and so is all the talk and all the trials.
>
> I know that you have been struggling for a long time. Psychiatry has disappointed you. However, you remain persistent and still try to work with what little psychiatry has to offer.
>
> When looking at your posting signature, I can't help but to wonder why you are taking only 12.5% of the dosage of Effexor that is often needed for people to respond well to it. What happens when you increase the dosage above 37.5 mg/day?
>
>
> - ScottFriends,
It is written here,[...I can't help but to wonder why you are taking only 12.5% of the dosage of Effexor that is often needed for people to respond well to it...].
The implication that some people that are easily persuaded could be that the poster that Scott is asking that question to is doing something wrong that has caused him to be in the state that he describes as that could be thought to be the tactic of {blaming the victim}. There is a rational basis for some people to think that because Scott writes {for people to do well on it}. That statement could be a transparent attempt to make readers think that Lamdage could have been in a better state if he took more of Effexor and then it is the fault of Lamdage that he is in such a horrible state because he did not take 8 times the amount of Effexor as Scott says he has done here. But is not the dosage of these drugs determined by the prescriber?
Friends, it is much more than this. For the drug Effexor can induce thoughts to kill yourself as one of the worst of these drugs in that respect, almost 5%. That is a huge amount comparatively and the prescriber also is working with other factors that could be unbeknownst to Scott here. And the drug could do worse than suicidal thoughts that I am prevented from posting here due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr. Hsiung, yet he can post the swastika and refuse to take it down.
Friends, what Lamdage is writing here comes from someone that knows more than others, for he is the living of what has been done to him. And these drugs kill when those that are subjected to them take them at the prescribed amount just as they are told to do. IMHHHHO it is a shame against humanity.
Here is a link showing the stats for suicide thinking caused by Effexor.
Lou
http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/effexor/suicidal+thoughts
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 2, 2015, at 15:01:18
In reply to Lou's response » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on August 2, 2015, at 11:25:51
> > > and so is all the talk and all the trials.
> >
> > I know that you have been struggling for a long time. Psychiatry has disappointed you. However, you remain persistent and still try to work with what little psychiatry has to offer.
> >
> > When looking at your posting signature, I can't help but to wonder why you are taking only 12.5% of the dosage of Effexor that is often needed for people to respond well to it. What happens when you increase the dosage above 37.5 mg/day?
> >
> >
> > - Scott
>
> Friends,
> It is written here,[...I can't help but to wonder why you are taking only 12.5% of the dosage of Effexor that is often needed for people to respond well to it...].
> The implication that some people that are easily persuaded could be that the poster that Scott is asking that question to is doing something wrong that has caused him to be in the state that he describes as that could be thought to be the tactic of {blaming the victim}. There is a rational basis for some people to think that because Scott writes {for people to do well on it}. That statement could be a transparent attempt to make readers think that Lamdage could have been in a better state if he took more of Effexor and then it is the fault of Lamdage that he is in such a horrible state because he did not take 8 times the amount of Effexor as Scott says he has done here. But is not the dosage of these drugs determined by the prescriber?
> Friends, it is much more than this. For the drug Effexor can induce thoughts to kill yourself as one of the worst of these drugs in that respect, almost 5%. That is a huge amount comparatively and the prescriber also is working with other factors that could be unbeknownst to Scott here. And the drug could do worse than suicidal thoughts that I am prevented from posting here due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr. Hsiung, yet he can post the swastika and refuse to take it down.
> Friends, what Lamdage is writing here comes from someone that knows more than others, for he is the living of what has been done to him. And these drugs kill when those that are subjected to them take them at the prescribed amount just as they are told to do. IMHHHHO it is a shame against humanity.
> Here is a link showing the stats for suicide thinking caused by Effexor.
> Lou
> http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/effexor/suicidal+thoughtsFriends,
Scott has called attention here to the drugs that Lamdage takes. And he has called out that Effexor is 1/8 of what he says gives some type of benefit to the taker of the drug. But look at the rest of the combination of drugs that Lamdage lists. Notice that the message about those drugs from Scott is the 12.5% of what he says is of benefit in some way.
But it is much worse than that. For the combination of drugs could cause death. Death by heart failure for when these drugs are combined, their effects are increased exponentially and the chemicals in the drugs together could cause heart irregularities that could be fatal and worse, there is a blood glucose situation involved which complicates the matter even worse. Scott has not pointed this out, but that does not mean that he is unaware of it, but he could be. This is why I warn readers here to beware of false doctors.
Does Lamdage need more Effexor? That is what a subset of {more easily persuaded readers} could get out of what Scott wrote here. But does Lamdage need more Effexor? If you examine the chemicals that he is taking, I think he needs a lot less promoting of these drugs.
You can read it in the morning paper, you can hear it on the radio, there is a whole lot more about this, and a lot less people that know.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 2, 2015, at 17:03:10
In reply to Lou's warning-ehyholotmoar, posted by Lou Pilder on August 2, 2015, at 15:01:18
> > > > and so is all the talk and all the trials.
> > >
> > > I know that you have been struggling for a long time. Psychiatry has disappointed you. However, you remain persistent and still try to work with what little psychiatry has to offer.
> > >
> > > When looking at your posting signature, I can't help but to wonder why you are taking only 12.5% of the dosage of Effexor that is often needed for people to respond well to it. What happens when you increase the dosage above 37.5 mg/day?
> > >
> > >
> > > - Scott
> >
> > Friends,
> > It is written here,[...I can't help but to wonder why you are taking only 12.5% of the dosage of Effexor that is often needed for people to respond well to it...].
> > The implication that some people that are easily persuaded could be that the poster that Scott is asking that question to is doing something wrong that has caused him to be in the state that he describes as that could be thought to be the tactic of {blaming the victim}. There is a rational basis for some people to think that because Scott writes {for people to do well on it}. That statement could be a transparent attempt to make readers think that Lamdage could have been in a better state if he took more of Effexor and then it is the fault of Lamdage that he is in such a horrible state because he did not take 8 times the amount of Effexor as Scott says he has done here. But is not the dosage of these drugs determined by the prescriber?
> > Friends, it is much more than this. For the drug Effexor can induce thoughts to kill yourself as one of the worst of these drugs in that respect, almost 5%. That is a huge amount comparatively and the prescriber also is working with other factors that could be unbeknownst to Scott here. And the drug could do worse than suicidal thoughts that I am prevented from posting here due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr. Hsiung, yet he can post the swastika and refuse to take it down.
> > Friends, what Lamdage is writing here comes from someone that knows more than others, for he is the living of what has been done to him. And these drugs kill when those that are subjected to them take them at the prescribed amount just as they are told to do. IMHHHHO it is a shame against humanity.
> > Here is a link showing the stats for suicide thinking caused by Effexor.
> > Lou
> > http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/effexor/suicidal+thoughts
>
> Friends,
> Scott has called attention here to the drugs that Lamdage takes. And he has called out that Effexor is 1/8 of what he says gives some type of benefit to the taker of the drug. But look at the rest of the combination of drugs that Lamdage lists. Notice that the message about those drugs from Scott is the 12.5% of what he says is of benefit in some way.
> But it is much worse than that. For the combination of drugs could cause death. Death by heart failure for when these drugs are combined, their effects are increased exponentially and the chemicals in the drugs together could cause heart irregularities that could be fatal and worse, there is a blood glucose situation involved which complicates the matter even worse. Scott has not pointed this out, but that does not mean that he is unaware of it, but he could be. This is why I warn readers here to beware of false doctors.
> Does Lamdage need more Effexor? That is what a subset of {more easily persuaded readers} could get out of what Scott wrote here. But does Lamdage need more Effexor? If you examine the chemicals that he is taking, I think he needs a lot less promoting of these drugs.
> You can read it in the morning paper, you can hear it on the radio, there is a whole lot more about this, and a lot less people that know.
> LouFriends,
Let us not neglect the weightier aspects of this situation here. The poster lists an SSRI with Effexor. This could cause death via serotonin syndrome. So there are modes of death here that are not intervened by Mr. Hsiung or any deputy of record. The rule here is that being supportive takes precedence and that what is not acted on is not against the rules by Mr. Hsiung. And worse, if what is not supportive is left to be seen as being supportive, that means by Mr. Hsiung that he is allowing that because in his thinking it will be good for this community as a whole. But death is on the horizon here and no one except myself is pointing that out.
This is a tragedy because readers could be killed by thinking that taking these drugs in combination is supportive, while the outcome could be death. And worse, the stigmatization of me here by allowing messages that demean my character as being a Jew and decrease the respect and regard and confidence in which I am held that could induce hostile and disagreeable opinions and feelings toward me are allowed to be seen as being supportive by Mr. Hsiung. That could IMHO cause some readers that are in the subset of those that put their trust in Mr. Hsiung as he asks for readers to do in his TOS here, to be led to their deaths by rejecting what I post here. This is a further tragedy because anti-Semitic propaganda is allowed to be seen as being supportive here and Mr. Hsiung posts the swastika which he will not take down as I ask for him to do. For he says that by him not responding to me here, that he could be the example for others also to not respond to me. Those readers that are easily persuaded could be led to their deaths. Their blood will not be upon me.
Lou
Posted by SLS on August 2, 2015, at 22:09:12
In reply to Re: 5 years on psychobabble, posted by Lamdage22 on August 2, 2015, at 8:09:21
> and not that much more effect.
>
> If anyJust to let you know, a friend of mine who has schizoaffective disorder (bipolar type) began doing very well once she started taking Saphris. It has an energizing and antidepressant effect for her. She also takes Wellbutrin. Seroquel was not terribly helpful for her and contributed to anorgasmia. It was not at all antidepressive, and was not sufficient to prevent schizoid symptoms. You are not her, of course. Even the best of educated guesses still involve trial-and-error.
Contrary to the opinions of some, I have no personal stake in trying to provide input for your decision-making process. I don't sell drugs or give psychotherapy. I have no emotional investment in needing to be "right". I just hope to be accurate in such a way as to help people find their way to effective treatment.
- Scott
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 3, 2015, at 5:36:58
In reply to Lou's warning-ehyholotmoar, posted by Lou Pilder on August 2, 2015, at 15:01:18
Scott,
im not doing that terrible.
It could be better but i can get along fine most of the time.
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 3, 2015, at 5:44:59
In reply to Re: Lou's warning-ehyholotmoar, posted by Lamdage22 on August 3, 2015, at 5:36:58
Of course there is a difference between merely getting along and living life to its fullest, but i have accepted it for the most part.
I dont think Saphris could change things so much for the better.
Posted by SLS on August 3, 2015, at 8:14:10
In reply to Re: Lou's warning-ehyholotmoar, posted by Lamdage22 on August 3, 2015, at 5:44:59
Hi, Lamdage.
Please excuse my misunderstanding of your words.
"The bottom line from my 5 years on PB is that medication is pretty much utterly useless."
I am left confused by this.
Are you saying that you feel fine, but that it is your judgement on behalf of others that medical treatment will not help them?
You say that without taking Effexor, you would be suicidal. I would not call that "utterly useless".
I am not frustrated and angry. I am just a little disappointed that you can't find anything to make you feel more the way you would like. I get the impression that your overall health would be enhanced by psychotherapy. I could be wrong. Personally, I have profited from an eclectic approach that included CBT (cognitive behavioral therapy) and IPT (interpersonal therapy). If you have already tried psychotherapy, but only during a time when your illness was at its worst, it might be worth trying again now that you are feeling better and more able to process thoughts and emotions.
http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/psychotherapies/index.shtml
- Scott
Posted by rockerchick46 on August 6, 2015, at 10:59:17
In reply to Re: 5 years on psychobabble » Lamdage22, posted by SLS on August 2, 2015, at 22:09:12
> > and not that much more effect.
> >
> > If any
>
> Just to let you know, a friend of mine who has schizoaffective disorder (bipolar type) began doing very well once she started taking Saphris. It has an energizing and antidepressant effect for her. She also takes Wellbutrin. Seroquel was not terribly helpful for her and contributed to anorgasmia. It was not at all antidepressive, and was not sufficient to prevent schizoid symptoms. You are not her, of course. Even the best of educated guesses still involve trial-and-error.
>
> Contrary to the opinions of some, I have no personal stake in trying to provide input for your decision-making process. I don't sell drugs or give psychotherapy. I have no emotional investment in needing to be "right". I just hope to be accurate in such a way as to help people find their way to effective treatment.
>
>
> - Scottto add to what Scott has said above, the Seroquel also caused weight gain and me to sleep Waaaay to much.
Posted by rockerchick46 on August 6, 2015, at 11:03:25
In reply to Lou's warning-ehyholotmoar, posted by Lou Pilder on August 2, 2015, at 15:01:18
Lou,
I am returning to this board after some time away and I can't find "ehyholotmoar" in any dictionary. What the f*** are you talking about and why are there nonsense letters all over Psychobabble?thank you for clearing up my confusion..
Tammy
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 6, 2015, at 11:13:10
In reply to Re: Lou's warning-ehyholotmoar, posted by rockerchick46 on August 6, 2015, at 11:03:25
> Lou,
> I am returning to this board after some time away and I can't find "ehyholotmoar" in any dictionary. What the f*** are you talking about and why are there nonsense letters all over Psychobabble?
>
> thank you for clearing up my confusion..
> TammyTammy,
[A whole lot more]
Lou
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 7, 2015, at 7:39:29
In reply to Lou's reply-ehyholotmoar » rockerchick46, posted by Lou Pilder on August 6, 2015, at 11:13:10
Well Scott,
i wasnt suicidal to begin with!
It may just be a sign of addiction!?
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 7, 2015, at 7:49:06
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-ehyholotmoar, posted by Lamdage22 on August 7, 2015, at 7:39:29
I am reducing meds regularly and i have been long before i felt fine. Feeling fine does not seem to be the result of meds. I have been taking this combo for ages even with haldol ontop of it.
It doesnt look like i am in good company feeling fine with all the folks here that are "on meds for life". And "on the quest for a perfect med combo".
Have i mentioned that on the meds that i take now, i never felt better than i did anyway before meds?
Posted by SLS on August 7, 2015, at 7:56:20
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-ehyholotmoar, posted by Lamdage22 on August 7, 2015, at 7:49:06
> I am reducing meds regularly and i have been long before i felt fine. Feeling fine does not seem to be the result of meds. I have been taking this combo for ages even with haldol ontop of it.
>
> It doesnt look like i am in good company feeling fine with all the folks here that are "on meds for life". And "on the quest for a perfect med combo".
>
> Have i mentioned that on the meds that i take now, i never felt better than i did anyway before meds?Everyone's psychobiology is unique, right?
It would be great to see you feel fine without taking a single drug. Who would be against that?
- Scott
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 7, 2015, at 8:06:31
In reply to You are not everyone - everyone is not you. » Lamdage22, posted by SLS on August 7, 2015, at 7:56:20
You are not everyone either.
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 7, 2015, at 8:08:26
In reply to Re: You are not everyone - everyone is not you., posted by Lamdage22 on August 7, 2015, at 8:06:31
it is my experience though that i like to share.
Just like you endorse the behaviors you endorse.
Posted by Silentscream on August 7, 2015, at 11:51:24
In reply to 5 years on psychobabble, posted by Lamdage22 on August 2, 2015, at 4:42:19
So you're quitting all medication?
medication is a life saver (and booster!) for me!
I hear often how schizoaffectives struggle to find the right medication.
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 7, 2015, at 12:22:21
In reply to Re: 5 years on psychobabble, posted by Silentscream on August 7, 2015, at 11:51:24
> So you're quitting all medication?
>
> medication is a life saver (and booster!) for me!
> I hear often how schizoaffectives struggle to find the right medication.
No i am cautiously and responsibly reducing it.For me life savers have been more people than meds;)
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