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Posted by Lamdage22 on May 13, 2015, at 5:42:05
I heard that in the new DSM they wont be calling it schizophrenia anymore because its too stigmatizing.
I have to say that i like the thinking.
What schizo-affective will be called? IDK.
Posted by Phil on May 13, 2015, at 11:18:24
In reply to They are not calling it schizophrenia anymore, posted by Lamdage22 on May 13, 2015, at 5:42:05
I've read about this and agree it should be changed. But I think manic depression changing to bipolar was a bad move. People hear bipolar and it doesn't describe the illness like the word depression does for depression. Or anxiety does, etc. We aren't happy and sad. We get mania and depression. Normal people think all of us as weak or crazy or lazy or losers anyway. We have brain disease and sometimes really traumatic childhoods. Bad combination.
You hear, Ms Celeb is FIGHTING CANCER she's a fighter! You rarely hear Ms Celeb hasn't worked in a while because she FIGHTING BIPOLAR.
We haven't scratched the surface on getting rid on stigma.
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 13, 2015, at 11:59:04
In reply to Re: They are not calling it schizophrenia anymore » Lamdage22, posted by Phil on May 13, 2015, at 11:18:24
> We haven't scratched the surface on getting rid on stigma.
And yet we have hundreds of ineffective and damaging drugs.
Posted by Toph on May 13, 2015, at 12:10:25
In reply to Re: They are not calling it schizophrenia anymore » Lamdage22, posted by Phil on May 13, 2015, at 11:18:24
> I think manic depression changing to bipolar was a bad move. People hear bipolar and it doesn't describe the illness like the word depression does for depression. Or anxiety does, etc. We aren't happy and sad. We get mania and depression.
So maybe we should go back to being called what I was called years ago - I had Manic-Depressive Illness. That resonated with me. Now as a Bipolar 1, I don't identify with other bipolars who have rapid cycling, periodic hypomania or recurring dysthymia. I say bring back Manic-Depression for us BP1s.
Posted by Jeroen on May 13, 2015, at 13:21:10
In reply to Re: They are not calling it schizophrenia anymore » Phil, posted by Toph on May 13, 2015, at 12:10:25
yes damaging meds : (
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 13, 2015, at 13:25:27
In reply to yes damaging meds : (, posted by Jeroen on May 13, 2015, at 13:21:10
Im reading my second Peter Breggin book.
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 13, 2015, at 13:36:16
In reply to yes damaging meds : (, posted by Jeroen on May 13, 2015, at 13:21:10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18Y8dMIPXIk
youre gonna love this
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 13, 2015, at 14:10:22
In reply to Re: yes damaging meds : (, posted by Lamdage22 on May 13, 2015, at 13:36:16
peter breggin is pretty eye opening.
I am compelled to stop visiting this forum, but that would be selfish.
Its disheartening though how little attention i get from those that are in a "i have to find "the right med" for me" rush.
CALM DOWN!
Relax.
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 13, 2015, at 14:15:55
In reply to Re: yes damaging meds : (, posted by Lamdage22 on May 13, 2015, at 14:10:22
My concentration is WAY down so i skim through the book.
Posted by Phillipa on May 13, 2015, at 17:18:55
In reply to Re: They are not calling it schizophrenia anymore » Lamdage22, posted by Phil on May 13, 2015, at 11:18:24
Phil Patty Duke is one that is bipolar. Think she wrote a book. P
Posted by rjlockhart37 on May 13, 2015, at 22:44:07
In reply to Re: They are not calling it schizophrenia anymore, posted by Lamdage22 on May 13, 2015, at 11:59:04
i think the name "schizophrenia" makes people like "he's schizo" so there taking off the dog tag label, using it in general class of affective disorders
they used to call anxiety neurosis.....hysteria, they change the names every couple decades to fit the current medical knowledge
Posted by SLS on May 14, 2015, at 7:07:33
In reply to Re: They are not calling it schizophrenia anymore » Phil, posted by Toph on May 13, 2015, at 12:10:25
I don't know how accurate this is:
- Scott
Posted by Phil on May 18, 2015, at 6:35:11
In reply to Re: They are not calling it schizophrenia anymore » Phil, posted by Phillipa on May 13, 2015, at 17:18:55
I'm not sure I know what you mean. Let me know.
Posted by Shelley on May 19, 2015, at 14:59:54
In reply to They are not calling it schizophrenia anymore, posted by Lamdage22 on May 13, 2015, at 5:42:05
In my opinion they can call it as they please. The emphasis should be on gaining a better understanding of the conditions and the development of better treatments. It's about time, for instance, that they look into nutritional factors with the same motivation they have for developing new dopamine blockers.
Posted by Christ_empowered on May 20, 2015, at 22:20:50
In reply to Re: They are not calling it schizophrenia anymore, posted by Shelley on May 19, 2015, at 14:59:54
Mental Health, Inc. creates victims, not victors. I think we all know, at some level, that f*ck*d up families=mental problems for a lot of people. The official line right now is that...hey, parents, its NEVER your fault! Its a brain disease. Thanks, NAMI.
Of course, not all schizophrenics come from bad family dynamics. My family is a huge part of the reason I'm recovering...of course, they're now more upper class, so I'm "Bipolar" now, not "Schizophrenic." See what I'm saying here?
I'm beginning to think that society as a whole just doesn't wanna think about what actually makes people crazy. Anti-psychiatry isn't really the answer, either. The US, in particular, is a terribly inhumane society, largely because of massive inequality and what I'd consider class warfare. Of course, when you're a mental patient, nobody cares what you think, lol. No wonder I come here so often.
The option would appear to be for more patients and former patients to help each other. I'm a Christian, so I'd recommend a lil Bible Study, too, but that's optional. In my own life, my family has proven incredibly supportive over the years, and that's huge.
In the US, lots of people who haven't been crazy a day in their lives go to shreds because we don't have a safety net. We also have downward mobility, even while we're all brain washed into thinking that its a magical meritocracy and we all get what we earn+deserve, blah blah blah. homeless? What'd you do wrong? I swear, the US has evolved into one of the meanest, most punitive, harshest cultures...this in one of the wealthiest nations on earth, at that.
Ugh. The problems are economic, social, political, legal. More humane countries still have crazies, but they/we are dealt with better. Funny how adequate resources will do that, isn't it.
In the US, we have TV ads for Abilify, Seroquel XR, Viibryd, print ads for Vyvanse and Ambien CR, and...on and on it goes. The most you'll get out of a mental health pro in the US is that maybe they should therapy more often. Therpay? I mean, its cool and all, I guess, but..."the personal is political," right? What I experience, what you experience, everyday is rooted in the social structure as a whole. Drugs and talk therapy often serve to blind us to that fact.
Blah blah blah...all this from someone on 4 psych meds and 1 PRN, plus Orthomolecular. Of course, I'm blessed. It could be high dose Prolixin shots and a rusted trailer, with no hope for escape from abject poverty. As is, I live with upper middle/upper class people in comfort, pop vitamins, go to school...I'm in "recovery." Why don't "those other people" recover? Well...they're schizophrenic; you're Bipolar. Its different.
Right.
Posted by LostBoyinNC46 on June 8, 2015, at 21:19:39
In reply to They are not calling it schizophrenia anymore, posted by Lamdage22 on May 13, 2015, at 5:42:05
In the olden days, before the Freudians came in and ruined American psychiatry and Neuropsychiatrists were somewhat running the show, schizophrenia used to be called, "dementia praecox."
Thats Latin for "early dementia" and IMO, its the best description of the horrific brain disease known as schizophrenia Ive ever heard of. "Early dementia" is basically what it is, think about it. Youre maybe 21 and you start hearing voices BUT you also become totally demented and unable to think clearly.
Its a type of dementia.
I think the term "schizophrenia" sounds terrifying and just the word itself sounds super scary...like out of some horror movie or something. Its one of those psychology words that came out of the Freudian era of psychiatry.
I think its a good thing to call it something else, something that maybe sounds not so...terrifying. Call it what it is...a friggin neurological disease with behavioral problem components. I think dementia praecox was the best term ever invented to describe it...why not go back to that?
Eric AKA, "LostBoyinNC"
Posted by SLS on June 8, 2015, at 22:13:34
In reply to Re: It used to be called dementia praecox, posted by LostBoyinNC46 on June 8, 2015, at 21:19:39
What name might you suggest? I haven't given it much thought.
I don't know how much it will help to change the name of schizophrenia to something else. Eventually, the new name might acquire the old stigma, even if it is more accurate. The "schizo" component of the term comes from the greek/latin and means split, divide, or cleave. This is probably what helped to produce the misunderstanding that schizophrenia involves a split personality or some sort of divided thinking.
Changing the name of manic-depression to bipolar-disorder didn't abolish stigma, even though its biological underpinnings have been made well known. It still remains the butt of jokes and is often used to suggest unreliability.
- Scott
Posted by LostBoyinNC46 on June 9, 2015, at 13:48:50
In reply to Re: It used to be called dementia praecox » LostBoyinNC46, posted by SLS on June 8, 2015, at 22:13:34
I think the old, original name was best. It sounds more medical than psychological, which for most people would sound less scary and less stigmatizing.
I mean, when you say your Grandma has Alzheimers or had a stroke and now has severe dementia and your family had to put her in a nursing home, people are usually pretty sympathetic about that.
Its because they think of dementia as a brain problem and not a psych problem.
So, Id say dementia praecox would be the best name. "Early dementia." Instead of developing dementia at old age of say, 75 or 80, you developed severe dementia at age 19 or 21 because your brain went bad early.
Pretty simple to me.
Eric AKA "LostBoyinNC"
> What name might you suggest? I haven't given it much thought.
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