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Posted by Guy on December 10, 2014, at 11:32:13
In reply to Lou's reply-ahntyjudehyzum » Guy, posted by Lou Pilder on December 10, 2014, at 10:02:47
Lou, I don't mind that you have an anti-drug stance, but I do object when you put it in a religious context. I personally find your religion and others like it incredibly egocentric, childish, and quite frankly an insult to the human intelligence. That you come onto this board to peddle your personal view of the world when most here are so vulnerable is, to say the least, very poor form. I, too, have my beliefs, but I am not about to try to use other people's suffering as a foothold for religious proselytising.
Posted by phidippus on December 10, 2014, at 14:05:32
In reply to Lou on this board is so damn right about everythin, posted by Jeroen on December 8, 2014, at 13:14:52
Great, now Lou has followers...
Eric
Posted by Phillipa on December 10, 2014, at 17:12:02
In reply to Re: Great, now Lou has followers... » Jeroen, posted by phidippus on December 10, 2014, at 14:05:32
No I don't believe he does. Phillipa
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 10, 2014, at 19:04:11
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-ahntyjudehyzum, posted by Guy on December 10, 2014, at 11:32:13
> Lou, I don't mind that you have an anti-drug stance, but I do object when you put it in a religious context. I personally find your religion and others like it incredibly egocentric, childish, and quite frankly an insult to the human intelligence. That you come onto this board to peddle your personal view of the world when most here are so vulnerable is, to say the least, very poor form. I, too, have my beliefs, but I am not about to try to use other people's suffering as a foothold for religious proselytising.
Guy, you wrote,
It is written here,[...your religion (Judaism)...(is) an insult to the human intelligence...].
By that I can not see what criteria that you used, if any, to make such a claim, a subset of readers could have hostile and disagreeable feelings and opinions about me. These could be those that think that if a statement is not sanctioned here, that it is supportive and will be good for this community as a whole because they have seen that Mr. Hsiung has posted that in his thinking being supportive takes precedence and that posters are to be civil at all times.
The fact that you think that Judaism is an insult to the human intelligence, does not mean that it is true that Jews and others think that about Judaism. But be it as it may be, what you have written about the Jews stands here today so that not just me but all Jews that read this here by you, (redacted by respondent).
But it is much more than that. For by any others following your thought, they could reject the opportunity that I could give them to be free from addiction and live by accepting what I could post here from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me that could have freed them if what you have posted about Judaism was not able to be seen as being supportive here.
Lou
Posted by Guy on December 10, 2014, at 19:26:36
In reply to Lou's reply- » Guy, posted by Lou Pilder on December 10, 2014, at 19:04:11
Lou, I don't care if you believe in the tooth fairy and Santa Claus, religion has no place on this medication forum. Why don't you try Psycho-Babble Social and see who you can influence there? And no, if you read my post carefully, I did not single out the Jews but, rather, religion in general. I have no use for belief systems that are based on divine intervention and a glorious afterlife (but only for believers). I think you have a persecution complex.
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 10, 2014, at 19:41:38
In reply to Lou's reply- » Guy, posted by Lou Pilder on December 10, 2014, at 19:04:11
> > Lou, I don't mind that you have an anti-drug stance, but I do object when you put it in a religious context. I personally find your religion and others like it incredibly egocentric, childish, and quite frankly an insult to the human intelligence. That you come onto this board to peddle your personal view of the world when most here are so vulnerable is, to say the least, very poor form. I, too, have my beliefs, but I am not about to try to use other people's suffering as a foothold for religious proselytising.
>
> Guy, you wrote,
> It is written here,[...your religion (Judaism)...(is) an insult to the human intelligence...].
> By that I can not see what criteria that you used, if any, to make such a claim, a subset of readers could have hostile and disagreeable feelings and opinions about me. These could be those that think that if a statement is not sanctioned here, that it is supportive and will be good for this community as a whole because they have seen that Mr. Hsiung has posted that in his thinking being supportive takes precedence and that posters are to be civil at all times.
> The fact that you think that Judaism is an insult to the human intelligence, does not mean that it is true that Jews and others think that about Judaism. But be it as it may be, what you have written about the Jews stands here today so that not just me but all Jews that read this here by you, (redacted by respondent).
> But it is much more than that. For by any others following your thought, they could reject the opportunity that I could give them to be free from addiction and live by accepting what I could post here from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me that could have freed them if what you have posted about Judaism was not able to be seen as being supportive here.
> LouGuy,
You wrote,[...You come into this board to peddle your personal views of the world...].
What I could post here is free and without price and I have not ever asked anyone for money here. A subset of readers could think that your intent is to slander Judaism by using similar propaganda used in anti-Semitic European Fascism. These are the readers that know of the false depiction of Jews in anti-Semitic propaganda of Jews stereotyping Jews as trying to get money from people's suffering. I am here to offer a way to end people's suffering from addiction and withdrawal and be free from getting life-ruining conditions from the drugs that the psychiatrist has given them.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 10, 2014, at 19:53:43
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-, posted by Guy on December 10, 2014, at 19:26:36
> Lou, I don't care if you believe in the tooth fairy and Santa Claus, religion has no place on this medication forum. Why don't you try Psycho-Babble Social and see who you can influence there? And no, if you read my post carefully, I did not single out the Jews but, rather, religion in general. I have no use for belief systems that are based on divine intervention and a glorious afterlife (but only for believers). I think you have a persecution complex.
Guy,
You wrote,[...I did not single out the Jews...]
A subset of readers could think that is a lie. They have a rational basis to think that because you wrote,[..YOUR religion...](caps mine), and those readers could understand the grammatical structure to not annul the fact that my religion is Judaism which is the "your". As to Judaism being in a subset of religions that have an afterlife and such, that does not annul the fact that you wrote,{your} religion as connected to human intelligence in the terms that I object to here.
Lou
Posted by Phillipa on December 10, 2014, at 20:25:44
In reply to Lou's reply-dephaymjuz » Guy, posted by Lou Pilder on December 10, 2014, at 19:53:43
Lou you aren't accusing Guy of not telling the truth? I know you would not do this. Phillipa
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 10, 2014, at 20:59:44
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-dephaymjuz » Lou Pilder, posted by Phillipa on December 10, 2014, at 20:25:44
> Lou you aren't accusing Guy of not telling the truth? I know you would not do this. Phillipa
P,
It is not what I think here that is of importance to me, but what the average reader here could think. And I think that they have a rational basis to think as to what is in question here.
It is no great honor for me to respond to what is written here about the Jews for this site could reach every home with internet access and funnel the winds of hatred toward the Jews through the communities that receive this. This is because those winds can gather strength as children read this here and could think that a psychiatrist is validating what is said here about Judaism as they could think that what is written is supportive and will be in his thinking good for this community as a whole. And if it could be good for this community as a whole, those readers that think that a psychiatrist has credibility, could think that what is said about the Jews here will be good for their community as a whole also.
So let it be with Guy. I come to defend the Jews, not to accuse Guy. What Guy writes could live after him, but there is IMHO the potential for Jews that could be harmed from what he wrote as long as what he wrote about Judaism could be seen as supportive here. I can not hold back the winds, or still the raging sea. But someone greater than me could do that.
Lou
Posted by Guy on December 10, 2014, at 21:05:21
In reply to Lou's reply-wyndzofheyt, posted by Lou Pilder on December 10, 2014, at 20:59:44
Lou, aside from having a severe reading comprehension problem (I clearly wrote "your religion and others like it".), you seem to be suffering from delusions. Might I recommend some meds?
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 10, 2014, at 21:30:19
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-wyndzofheyt, posted by Guy on December 10, 2014, at 21:05:21
> Lou, aside from having a severe reading comprehension problem (I clearly wrote "your religion and others like it".), you seem to be suffering from delusions. Might I recommend some meds?
G,
You wrote,[...your religion and others like it...]
A reasonable reader could think that my religion (Judaism) is included, not excluded. I base this on the fact that when a member of a subset is mentioned as a member of that set, it is not excluded from the set of members.
But it is much more than that, for the other religions are also included in what you wrote about Judaism ("Your religion") and the others that could have Islamic people think that what you wrote insults Islam. And Christianity as well, for that religion includes divine intervention and an after life also. Then there are the non-Abrahamic faiths also that have an afterlife.
So I do not think that readers have to be an "A" student to see that {"your religion"} is grouped with other similar religions that all are said by you as what you said. You said what you said, it is as it is. If you did not want to include Judaism, you could not have wrote {your} religion and others like it. The other religions are {like} Judaism, but that does not mean that Judaism is not included as a religion that has to do with human intelligence as you state here.
Let there be no misunderstanding here. You used {human intelligence]. That could be all humans, for there is not specified which humans. If you could explain that, I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
Lou
Posted by Guy on December 11, 2014, at 18:09:59
In reply to Lou's reply-alhumnz » Guy, posted by Lou Pilder on December 10, 2014, at 21:30:19
Lou, I come to this forum to learn about personal experiences with medications, and hopefully, to obtain advice about pharmaceutical treatments for my problems. Please take your hocus pocus and go away.
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 11, 2014, at 18:48:45
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-alhumnz, posted by Guy on December 11, 2014, at 18:09:59
> Lou, I come to this forum to learn about personal experiences with medications, and hopefully, to obtain advice about pharmaceutical treatments for my problems. Please take your hocus pocus and go away.
Guy,
You wrote,[...take your hocus pocus...].
I am unsure as to what you are wanting readers to think here. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
True or false:
A. All Abrahamic religions are hocus pocus
B. divine intervention is hocus pocus
C. Eternal life in Paradise is hocus pocus
D. For one to be raised from the dead is hocus pocus
E. That there is a creator of the universe is hocus pocus
Lou
Posted by Guy on December 12, 2014, at 19:06:10
In reply to Lou's reply-hoekuzpoekuz » Guy, posted by Lou Pilder on December 11, 2014, at 18:48:45
Lou, can't you see that all your childish fantasies about divine intervention and an eternal life in paradise are but a mirror image of your own innermost fears--the ones that have to do with abandonment, death and personal extinction? Why can't you accept that humans--aside from their incredible destructiveness-- share no special status among living organisms? Science tells us that the earth is four and a half billion years old, and everything you see about you (including yourself) was born of molten lava and toxic gases. We are all one in nature and all share the same destiny whether we be rock, moss, flowers or frogs.
Anyway, back to my initial bone of contention. I believe you have absolutely no understanding of suicidality and nothing to offer anyone on this board except crazy religious notions such as the fear of eternal damnation. Please give us all a break and take your nonsense elsewhere.
Posted by Lamdage22 on December 13, 2014, at 7:06:29
In reply to Lou's reply-hoekuzpoekuz » Guy, posted by Lou Pilder on December 11, 2014, at 18:48:45
It is almost entertaining to watch this.
Posted by Lamdage22 on December 13, 2014, at 7:14:35
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-hoekuzpoekuz, posted by Lamdage22 on December 13, 2014, at 7:06:29
I know a subset of readers could think this or that, but i find it amusing :)
Yet, still distressing.
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 13, 2014, at 10:41:21
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-hoekuzpoekuz, posted by Lamdage22 on December 13, 2014, at 7:14:35
> I know a subset of readers could think this or that, but i find it amusing :)
>
> Yet, still distressing.L,
What is amusing and what is still distressing?
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 13, 2014, at 10:43:25
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-hoekuzpoekuz, posted by Lamdage22 on December 13, 2014, at 7:06:29
> It is almost entertaining to watch this.
L,
What is entertaining here (almost)?
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 13, 2014, at 14:27:14
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-hoekuzpoekuz, posted by Guy on December 12, 2014, at 19:06:10
> Lou, can't you see that all your childish fantasies about divine intervention and an eternal life in paradise are but a mirror image of your own innermost fears--the ones that have to do with abandonment, death and personal extinction? Why can't you accept that humans--aside from their incredible destructiveness-- share no special status among living organisms? Science tells us that the earth is four and a half billion years old, and everything you see about you (including yourself) was born of molten lava and toxic gases. We are all one in nature and all share the same destiny whether we be rock, moss, flowers or frogs.
>
> Anyway, back to my initial bone of contention. I believe you have absolutely no understanding of suicidality and nothing to offer anyone on this board except crazy religious notions such as the fear of eternal damnation. Please give us all a break and take your nonsense elsewhere.Guy,
You wrote the above.
I am unsure as to what you want readers to think .If you could post answers here to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
True or False:
A. I believe in my heart, Lou, that there is no God
B. I know where the Earth came from, Lou.
C. Lou, if 4 1/2 billion tornados struck an automobile and wreckage from houses junk yard, (one per year) there would be formed a Boeing 777 with it's engines running. After all, in the junk yard are the seats, motors, metal, fuel, glass, wires, control knobs, spark plugs, wheels, brakes, transmissions, radios, toxic fumes, tires, windshield wipers, toilets, aluminum siding, pipes, cables, clocks, and junk-yard dogs.
Lou
Posted by SLS on December 13, 2014, at 22:13:45
In reply to Lou's request--hoekuzpoekuz-, posted by Lou Pilder on December 13, 2014, at 14:27:14
The ability to use tools has emerged as an evolutionary process in organisms other than primates, and represents the natural phenomenon of convergence. In my view, the evolution of man's technology is a natural consequence of the order of the universe as provided for by God. Bread does not grow on trees - not even in a breadfruit. Bread must therefore be deemed unnatural, as it does not exist without human intervenetion. The synthesis of chemicals that are not present in the primordial matrix is the natural consequence of the intellectual gifts that God's way has provided for us. Hemlock exists in nature without human intervention. If consumed, it can lead to death. I would feel safer taking the synthesized compound, ibuprofen, when I have a headache.
How does one define "natural"? Are we and our interaction with our environment not natural? Is our evolution as a species not natural just because we learned to fabricate spears to kill mastodons? It doesn't matter where an allotropic agent comes from - whether from marijuana, belladona, fungus, or a cyclotron. All of these interventions require intelligence and technology to harvest or synthesize.
This is an exercise in philosophy, semantics, and vision. It is not necessarily a matter of science, but may help to offer a construct that includes the evolution of man's technology as integral, natural, and unavoidable as the next step in his evolution.
"I command thee to recognize thy unequaled intelligence, but I forbid thee to use it. Thou may not even use it for the unnatural application of heat to bake bread."
Can we really draw a line?
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 15, 2014, at 17:34:58
In reply to Re: Lou's request--hoekuzpoekuz-, posted by SLS on December 13, 2014, at 22:13:45
> The ability to use tools has emerged as an evolutionary process in organisms other than primates, and represents the natural phenomenon of convergence. In my view, the evolution of man's technology is a natural consequence of the order of the universe as provided for by God. Bread does not grow on trees - not even in a breadfruit. Bread must therefore be deemed unnatural, as it does not exist without human intervenetion. The synthesis of chemicals that are not present in the primordial matrix is the natural consequence of the intellectual gifts that God's way has provided for us. Hemlock exists in nature without human intervention. If consumed, it can lead to death. I would feel safer taking the synthesized compound, ibuprofen, when I have a headache.
>
> How does one define "natural"? Are we and our interaction with our environment not natural? Is our evolution as a species not natural just because we learned to fabricate spears to kill mastodons? It doesn't matter where an allotropic agent comes from - whether from marijuana, belladona, fungus, or a cyclotron. All of these interventions require intelligence and technology to harvest or synthesize.
>
> This is an exercise in philosophy, semantics, and vision. It is not necessarily a matter of science, but may help to offer a construct that includes the evolution of man's technology as integral, natural, and unavoidable as the next step in his evolution.
>
> "I command thee to recognize thy unequaled intelligence, but I forbid thee to use it. Thou may not even use it for the unnatural application of heat to bake bread."
>
> Can we really draw a line?
>
>
> - Scott
Scott,
What is the major point that you are wanting to make, if any, in your post above?
Lou
Posted by SLS on December 16, 2014, at 10:20:50
In reply to Lou's request--hoekuzpoekuz-sktpsez? » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on December 15, 2014, at 17:34:58
> > The ability to use tools has emerged as an evolutionary process in organisms other than primates, and represents the natural phenomenon of convergence. In my view, the evolution of man's technology is a natural consequence of the order of the universe as provided for by God. Bread does not grow on trees - not even in a breadfruit. Bread must therefore be deemed unnatural, as it does not exist without human intervenetion. The synthesis of chemicals that are not present in the primordial matrix is the natural consequence of the intellectual gifts that God's way has provided for us. Hemlock exists in nature without human intervention. If consumed, it can lead to death. I would feel safer taking the synthesized compound, ibuprofen, when I have a headache.
> >
> > How does one define "natural"? Are we and our interaction with our environment not natural? Is our evolution as a species not natural just because we learned to fabricate spears to kill mastodons? It doesn't matter where an allotropic agent comes from - whether from marijuana, belladona, fungus, or a cyclotron. All of these interventions require intelligence and technology to harvest or synthesize.
> >
> > This is an exercise in philosophy, semantics, and vision. It is not necessarily a matter of science, but may help to offer a construct that includes the evolution of man's technology as integral, natural, and unavoidable as the next step in his evolution.
> >
> > "I command thee to recognize thy unequaled intelligence, but I forbid thee to use it. Thou may not even use it for the unnatural application of heat to bake bread."
> >
> > Can we really draw a line?
> >
> >
> > - Scott> Scott,
> What is the major point that you are wanting to make, if any, in your post above?
> LouHi Lou,
For some reason, your post triggered an issue that I have been meaning to address for quite some time. My post was not directed at you personally, and did not represent a nexus to yours.
Natural versus synthetic - is there a line to be drawn?
Is it natural for man to synthesize drugs if it is natural for him to have fashioned stones to manufacture spears?
- Scott
Posted by Elanor Roosevelt on December 23, 2014, at 21:27:55
In reply to Re: Lou's request--hoekuzpoekuz-sktpsez? » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on December 16, 2014, at 10:20:50
I've been gone for a while but some things never change.
Is this a full time job for you Lou?
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 28, 2014, at 11:23:04
In reply to Re: Lou's request--hoekuzpoekuz-sktpsez?, posted by Elanor Roosevelt on December 23, 2014, at 21:27:55
> I've been gone for a while but some things never change.
> Is this a full time job for you Lou?E,
You wrote the above.
As long as my notifications remain outstanding here, and as long as anti-Semitic statements and statements that defame me are able to be seen here as being supportive and will be good for this community as a whole where they are originally posted, then I will continue to try to have Mr. Hsiung and/or his deputies of record post a repudiation to those statements so that readers do not consider Mr. Hsiung and his deputies of record being seen as validating or ratifying the hate. For readers to understand the caliber of disaster indicated by the presence of anti-Semitic statements here being allowed to be seen as civil, I would like for those readers to examine the following in order to understand how anti-Semitism can be fostered in a community.
Lou
www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20080719/msgs/844279.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 28, 2014, at 11:25:44
In reply to Lou's reply-phozder » Elanor Roosevelt, posted by Lou Pilder on December 28, 2014, at 11:23:04
> > I've been gone for a while but some things never change.
> > Is this a full time job for you Lou?
>
> E,
> You wrote the above.
> As long as my notifications remain outstanding here, and as long as anti-Semitic statements and statements that defame me are able to be seen here as being supportive and will be good for this community as a whole where they are originally posted, then I will continue to try to have Mr. Hsiung and/or his deputies of record post a repudiation to those statements so that readers do not consider Mr. Hsiung and his deputies of record being seen as validating or ratifying the hate. For readers to understand the caliber of disaster indicated by the presence of anti-Semitic statements here being allowed to be seen as civil, I would like for those readers to examine the following in order to understand how anti-Semitism can be fostered in a community.
> Lou
> www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20080719/msgs/844279.htmlcorrection:
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20080719/msgs/844279.html
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