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Posted by Athene on October 4, 2014, at 9:42:22
Hi all,
I've been on 40 mg of Geodon since Tuesday, taking it at lunch, and in that time I've had akathisia - restlessness and anxiety so bad I couldn't function and thought I was going to jump out of my body. I am considering discontinuing it because these problems are so very disruptive. But first I want to make sure the akathisia isn't something that will pass.
Anyone here had akathisia with Geodon? If you kept taking it, did the akathisia eventually pass? Or was it always there?
Thanks,
Athene
Posted by herpills on October 4, 2014, at 12:09:20
In reply to Does Geodon akathisia go away?, posted by Athene on October 4, 2014, at 9:42:22
Since you've only been on it for a few days, I'd try to stick with it for another week because there is a good chance the restlessness will subside. Taking some diphenhydramine could help but it can make you tired.
Posted by Athene on October 4, 2014, at 13:30:56
In reply to Re: Does Geodon akathisia go away?, posted by herpills on October 4, 2014, at 12:09:20
> Since you've only been on it for a few days, I'd try to stick with it for another week because there is a good chance the restlessness will subside. Taking some diphenhydramine could help but it can make you tired.
I can't afford another week with this symptom. It will totally destroy all the plans I've made. Even tonight's dinner plans with my family and a class Monday night. And I start a new job on Oct 14. If I have akathisia then, I will lose the job. Period.
I'd go to a doctor for something like cogentin but there just isn't someone I can see in a timely fashion, as it is the weekend.
I had akathisia with Risperdal and Depakote in the past and it only went away when I stopped those drugs. I'm feeling like a coward now and wanting to just stop the ziprasidone.
Much as I hate the thought of staying on Seroquel over the long-term (have already gained a lot of weight), at least I can function mentally and emotionally on Seroquel, and this akathisia is unbearable.
Posted by Phillipa on October 4, 2014, at 18:04:57
In reply to Re: Does Geodon akathisia go away?, posted by Athene on October 4, 2014, at 13:30:56
Personally and I'm not a doctor and you have something that works. I would discontinue and go back to what works. What was reason for the switch? Phillipa
Posted by Athene on October 4, 2014, at 21:55:59
In reply to Re: Does Geodon akathisia go away? » Athene, posted by Phillipa on October 4, 2014, at 18:04:57
> Personally and I'm not a doctor and you have something that works. I would discontinue and go back to what works. What was reason for the switch?
PhillipaThe switch was to try to lose weight. I gained a lot from Seroquel and Geodon is supposed to be weight neutral. But if I can't tolerate Geodon, there might be other options, e.g. Metformin, for weight loss.
Posted by Christ_empowered on October 5, 2014, at 2:14:17
In reply to Re: Does Geodon akathisia go away?, posted by Athene on October 4, 2014, at 21:55:59
I'd just take metformin w/ the Geodon. I guess if your doc is friendly you could take a short term benzo, but...sometimes akathisia gets worse, not better. Rarely, it becomes permanent, even with atypicals.
I'd take Seroquel if I could take metformin with it.
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 5, 2014, at 5:29:17
In reply to Does Geodon akathisia go away?, posted by Athene on October 4, 2014, at 9:42:22
> Hi all,
>
> I've been on 40 mg of Geodon since Tuesday, taking it at lunch, and in that time I've had akathisia - restlessness and anxiety so bad I couldn't function and thought I was going to jump out of my body. I am considering discontinuing it because these problems are so very disruptive. But first I want to make sure the akathisia isn't something that will pass.
>
> Anyone here had akathisia with Geodon? If you kept taking it, did the akathisia eventually pass? Or was it always there?
>
> Thanks,
> AtheneAthene,
I have read your predicament here and you could commit suicide or mass-murder in the condition that you are in as a result of the drugs inducing akathisia, as many doctors recognise. I ask, does it make any sense at all to continue taking the drug that is causing this? On the other side, if you stop the drug without the prescribing doctor agreeing, you risk whatever he/she thinks could happen to you by doing so. This could mean that contacting the prescriber is what you could do to eliminate that dilemma. Then, what if the prescriber will not respond to you? Could you make your own decision as to stop taking the drug?
You see, when a drug causes this to someone, it attacks the nerves for the drug acts as a nerve agent as the name (neuroleptic) means (nerve seizing or nerve grabbing) These chemicals in these drugs have been used in the commission of mass-murder. I am prevented here to post about this due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr. Hsiung. I think that if I was not prevented by him from posting about this here, that the educational material that is prohibited for me to post here if it was made known to you, could help you to understand what is happening to you from the drugs and that you could then take appropriate steps so that your life could be saved, for there is the potential for you to kill yourself and/or others as a result of what these drugs are doing to you.
I can not overrule your prescriber of these drugs, but is not there a way to contact the prescriber through the AMA?
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 5, 2014, at 5:44:34
In reply to Lou's response-nhynwunwun » Athene, posted by Lou Pilder on October 5, 2014, at 5:29:17
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I've been on 40 mg of Geodon since Tuesday, taking it at lunch, and in that time I've had akathisia - restlessness and anxiety so bad I couldn't function and thought I was going to jump out of my body. I am considering discontinuing it because these problems are so very disruptive. But first I want to make sure the akathisia isn't something that will pass.
> >
> > Anyone here had akathisia with Geodon? If you kept taking it, did the akathisia eventually pass? Or was it always there?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Athene
>
> Athene,
> I have read your predicament here and you could commit suicide or mass-murder in the condition that you are in as a result of the drugs inducing akathisia, as many doctors recognise. I ask, does it make any sense at all to continue taking the drug that is causing this? On the other side, if you stop the drug without the prescribing doctor agreeing, you risk whatever he/she thinks could happen to you by doing so. This could mean that contacting the prescriber is what you could do to eliminate that dilemma. Then, what if the prescriber will not respond to you? Could you make your own decision as to stop taking the drug?
> You see, when a drug causes this to someone, it attacks the nerves for the drug acts as a nerve agent as the name (neuroleptic) means (nerve seizing or nerve grabbing) These chemicals in these drugs have been used in the commission of mass-murder. I am prevented here to post about this due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr. Hsiung. I think that if I was not prevented by him from posting about this here, that the educational material that is prohibited for me to post here if it was made known to you, could help you to understand what is happening to you from the drugs and that you could then take appropriate steps so that your life could be saved, for there is the potential for you to kill yourself and/or others as a result of what these drugs are doing to you.
> I can not overrule your prescriber of these drugs, but is not there a way to contact the prescriber through the AMA?
> LouAthene,
Here is a video that explains what these drugs can do to you.
Lou To see this video:
A. Pull up Google
B. Type in:
[ youtube, OyPuE314SDQ ]
comes up first with a picture of Dr. Dolan. The letters are case sensitive The first character is a capital "Oh", not the number "zero"
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 5, 2014, at 7:11:03
In reply to Lou's response-eduakasuipsy-Dolan, posted by Lou Pilder on October 5, 2014, at 5:44:34
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I've been on 40 mg of Geodon since Tuesday, taking it at lunch, and in that time I've had akathisia - restlessness and anxiety so bad I couldn't function and thought I was going to jump out of my body. I am considering discontinuing it because these problems are so very disruptive. But first I want to make sure the akathisia isn't something that will pass.
> > >
> > > Anyone here had akathisia with Geodon? If you kept taking it, did the akathisia eventually pass? Or was it always there?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Athene
> >
> > Athene,
> > I have read your predicament here and you could commit suicide or mass-murder in the condition that you are in as a result of the drugs inducing akathisia, as many doctors recognise. I ask, does it make any sense at all to continue taking the drug that is causing this? On the other side, if you stop the drug without the prescribing doctor agreeing, you risk whatever he/she thinks could happen to you by doing so. This could mean that contacting the prescriber is what you could do to eliminate that dilemma. Then, what if the prescriber will not respond to you? Could you make your own decision as to stop taking the drug?
> > You see, when a drug causes this to someone, it attacks the nerves for the drug acts as a nerve agent as the name (neuroleptic) means (nerve seizing or nerve grabbing) These chemicals in these drugs have been used in the commission of mass-murder. I am prevented here to post about this due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr. Hsiung. I think that if I was not prevented by him from posting about this here, that the educational material that is prohibited for me to post here if it was made known to you, could help you to understand what is happening to you from the drugs and that you could then take appropriate steps so that your life could be saved, for there is the potential for you to kill yourself and/or others as a result of what these drugs are doing to you.
> > I can not overrule your prescriber of these drugs, but is not there a way to contact the prescriber through the AMA?
> > Lou
>
> Athene,
> Here is a video that explains what these drugs can do to you.
> Lou To see this video:
> A. Pull up Google
> B. Type in:
> [ youtube, OyPuE314SDQ ]
> comes up first with a picture of Dr. Dolan. The letters are case sensitive The first character is a capital "Oh", not the number "zero"A,
Now that you may know what these drugs can do to you in regard to akathisia, there is the aspect that the drug could kill you or give you life-ruining condition and/or addiction. And the longer that you take these drugs, there becomes that possibility of death either by the drug itself, or by you killing yourself, or by that the drug causes confusion and/or thinking impairment so that you could die by , lets say, trying to do something that could kill you that your impairment from the drug does not allow you to see or understand, like jumping in front of a moving train.
You see, the chemicals in these drugs have been used historically to alter the minds of people for reasons to control people by ruining their thinking processes or to kill them or to be manipulated by the state. I am prevented from posting about that here due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr. Hsiung. He states that he does what will be good for this community as a whole in his thinking. This type of thinking has been used historically to justify that slavery or genocide or infanticide or discrimination or segregation could be used by the leaders of a community. For the concept says that there is no right or wrong, for what will be good for the community as a whole is the determining factor, as that type of thinking was used by European fascists that history records as proven to be a lie, for genocide and slavery and discrimination and infanticide used in those communities proved otherwise. The concept of that it will be good for the community as a whole means that what is being done can not be challenged because those people using that type of thinking state that it {will be}, which means that to validate the action as being good for the community as a whole or not, one needs to wait until some future time to do that. So those promulgating the thinking of the European fascists, give themselves, in their minds now, a sort of justification for even committing genocide, or slavery or discrimination.
Here are some links that show statistically death by taking Geodon and suicide thinking by the drug.
Lou
http://www.ehealthme.com.ds.geodon/sudden+death
http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/geodon/suicidal+ideation
Posted by Athene on October 5, 2014, at 9:19:14
In reply to Re: Does Geodon akathisia go away?, posted by Christ_empowered on October 5, 2014, at 2:14:17
> I'd just take metformin w/ the Geodon. I guess if your doc is friendly you could take a short term benzo, but...sometimes akathisia gets worse, not better. Rarely, it becomes permanent, even with atypicals.
>
> I'd take Seroquel if I could take metformin with it.I stopped the Geodon yesterday and am feeling way more settled. It was just an awful drug for me. I still have to deal with the weight gain, but I feel in control again.
Thanks, guys.
Posted by Athene on October 5, 2014, at 9:22:42
In reply to Lou's response-nhynwunwun » Athene, posted by Lou Pilder on October 5, 2014, at 5:29:17
> Athene,
> I have read your predicament here and you could commit suicide or mass-murder in the condition that you are in as a result of the drugs inducing akathisia, as many doctors recognise. I ask, does it make any sense at all to continue taking the drug that is causing this? On the other side, if you stop the drug without the prescribing doctor agreeing, you risk whatever he/she thinks could happen to you by doing so. This could mean that contacting the prescriber is what you could do to eliminate that dilemma. Then, what if the prescriber will not respond to you? Could you make your own decision as to stop taking the drug?
> You see, when a drug causes this to someone, it attacks the nerves for the drug acts as a nerve agent as the name (neuroleptic) means (nerve seizing or nerve grabbing) These chemicals in these drugs have been used in the commission of mass-murder. I am prevented here to post about this due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr. Hsiung. I think that if I was not prevented by him from posting about this here, that the educational material that is prohibited for me to post here if it was made known to you, could help you to understand what is happening to you from the drugs and that you could then take appropriate steps so that your life could be saved, for there is the potential for you to kill yourself and/or others as a result of what these drugs are doing to you.
> I can not overrule your prescriber of these drugs, but is not there a way to contact the prescriber through the AMA?
> LouHi Lou,
Thanks for the info. I was not in a bad enough shape to kill anyone, but I could see that that kind of agitation could lead to something extreme eventually. I stopped the Geodon yesterday and have been fine - way more settled, feeling like myself again. I was only on it for 11 days, 7 days at 20 mg then 4 days at 40 mg. I tried to go see a doc yesterday, but waited 4 hours in the hospital (from 3 to 7 pm) and was still in the queue, so gave up because there was somewhere I had to be. I'll talk to my doctor about it tomorrow, since he'll be back at work then.
Athene
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 5, 2014, at 10:01:35
In reply to Re: Lou's response-nhynwunwun, posted by Athene on October 5, 2014, at 9:22:42
> > Athene,
> > I have read your predicament here and you could commit suicide or mass-murder in the condition that you are in as a result of the drugs inducing akathisia, as many doctors recognise. I ask, does it make any sense at all to continue taking the drug that is causing this? On the other side, if you stop the drug without the prescribing doctor agreeing, you risk whatever he/she thinks could happen to you by doing so. This could mean that contacting the prescriber is what you could do to eliminate that dilemma. Then, what if the prescriber will not respond to you? Could you make your own decision as to stop taking the drug?
> > You see, when a drug causes this to someone, it attacks the nerves for the drug acts as a nerve agent as the name (neuroleptic) means (nerve seizing or nerve grabbing) These chemicals in these drugs have been used in the commission of mass-murder. I am prevented here to post about this due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr. Hsiung. I think that if I was not prevented by him from posting about this here, that the educational material that is prohibited for me to post here if it was made known to you, could help you to understand what is happening to you from the drugs and that you could then take appropriate steps so that your life could be saved, for there is the potential for you to kill yourself and/or others as a result of what these drugs are doing to you.
> > I can not overrule your prescriber of these drugs, but is not there a way to contact the prescriber through the AMA?
> > Lou
>
> Hi Lou,
>
> Thanks for the info. I was not in a bad enough shape to kill anyone, but I could see that that kind of agitation could lead to something extreme eventually. I stopped the Geodon yesterday and have been fine - way more settled, feeling like myself again. I was only on it for 11 days, 7 days at 20 mg then 4 days at 40 mg. I tried to go see a doc yesterday, but waited 4 hours in the hospital (from 3 to 7 pm) and was still in the queue, so gave up because there was somewhere I had to be. I'll talk to my doctor about it tomorrow, since he'll be back at work then.
>
> AtheneA,
You wrote,[...I stopped the Geodon...on it for 11 days...]
There could be a realm that you could find yourself in. This realm could be frightening if you do not know what it is. The realm starts in a few days after you stop the drug. Sometimes the realm starts later than that. This could be from stopping the drug You can call it withdrawal, you can call it discontinuation syndrome, but whatever you call it, if you do not know what it is, you could kill yourself and/or others.
If you find yourself in that realm, this post could save your life, for people in withdrawal that do not know what it is, can think that their mind has been altered forever by the drug and that they could never return and be like they are without end so that suicide seems to be an attractive alternative to living in that state.
Lou
Posted by Lamdage22 on October 5, 2014, at 14:32:22
In reply to Re: Does Geodon akathisia go away?, posted by Athene on October 4, 2014, at 21:55:59
> > Personally and I'm not a doctor and you have something that works. I would discontinue and go back to what works. What was reason for the switch?
> Phillipa
>
> The switch was to try to lose weight. I gained a lot from Seroquel and Geodon is supposed to be weight neutral. But if I can't tolerate Geodon, there might be other options, e.g. Metformin, for weight loss.
>
>
I take Metformin and find it very helpful.
Posted by Lamdage22 on October 5, 2014, at 14:42:39
In reply to Lou's reply-pstreatzofbozton » Athene, posted by Lou Pilder on October 5, 2014, at 10:01:35
With all due respect,
its a long way from some akathisia to mass murder.
!?And the withdrawal you describe, i don't get that. If you are having withdrawal symptoms (even way less severe than you described), then you should go back to a higher dosage, wait, and try again.
If you can't go lower, then you need the medication and must take it. Everything else is lunatic.
Ps.: Metformin FTW
Posted by ed_uk2010 on October 5, 2014, at 15:01:40
In reply to Re: Lou's response-nhynwunwun, posted by Athene on October 5, 2014, at 9:22:42
Glad you stopped. How were the side effects when you were on ziprasidone (Geodon) 20mg?
As as a warning, beware of lurasidone (Latuda). It is a newer antipsychotic, related to Geodon. Neither drug causes much weight gain, but lurasidone has revealed a particularly high incidence of akathisia and EPS in clinical trials. The risk with Latuda is seemingly greater than Geodon and Risperdal. Funnily enough, lurasidone has essentially brought us an 'atypical' which produces a comparable incidence of acute EPS to good ole chlorpromazine (Thorazine).
Akathisia-wise, the only redeeming feature of lurasidone is that it doesn't cause as much or as severe akathisia/EPS as standard dose oral haloperidol (Haldol). Given that the risk of akathisia/EPS with haloperidol is probably the highest of any antipsychotic in use, the above is not exactly an achievement.
On the bright side, lurasidone users need not worry too much about their QTc interval or metabolic parameters......
Efficacy in schizophrenia has been demonstrated for lurasidone, after a fashion, but it doesn't appear to be as effective as most other atypicals. And a lot of patients dropped out of the trials.....
The situation of lurasidone receiving FDA approval for bipolar depression but not bipolar mania is a rarity for an antipsychotic. Wouldn't be surprised if the manufacturer did some preliminary trial in manic patients, struggled to find any evidence of efficacy, ended the trial as a bad job, and filed the results somewhere secure. Of course, it could have been entirely altruistic of them to search for a new treatment for bipolar depression, since there are already so many APs approved for mania. Something doesn't quite ring true though. The anti-manic efficacy of most APs can be demonstrated pretty clearly using trials of only a few weeks duration. The inevitable outcome is that most antipsychotics are approved for mania first and occasionally depression at a later date (schizophrenia approvals aside).
So, we have a new option, which is usually good. In this case, it equals less fat, at the cost of more frantic pacing. I expect it will eventually receive greater use as a low-dose 'adjunct' in mood disorders than in schizophrenia as the primary antipsychotic. After trying a few meds, docs and patients alike might notice that in spite of the reduced propensity to gain weight, lurasidone isn't actually treating the psychosis that well......
Posted by Athene on October 5, 2014, at 15:39:45
In reply to Lurasidone » Athene, posted by ed_uk2010 on October 5, 2014, at 15:01:40
> Glad you stopped. How were the side effects when you were on ziprasidone (Geodon) 20mg?
It seemed a little activating. I had to take it at lunch, not dinner, just so I didn't have sleep problems. In general I also felt less focused, but that could have been the poor sleep.
20 mg wasn't an option, anyways, because my psychiatrist said 40 mg was the minimum dose I could end up on. I'm not interested in polypharmacy. I'm considered "stable". The idea was to switch from Seroquel to Ziprasidone to lose weight, not for any other reason.
I haven't taken Ziprasidone since Friday, and I am feeling much calmer. Going to just have to look into Metformin, I guess.
I'm not interested in drugs that activate me. Personally I believe my problems are trauma- and attachment-related, as I have had tremendous healing from body-based trauma therapy (similar to Somatic Experiencing) over the past year, a real, deep emotional healing I have never before experienced in the MH system. But the official diagnosis is "bipolar", with Seroquel being something to keep me from getting into that place they label "manic", at the cost of feeling lethargic, apathetic and mentally slow. I just wanted something that would be like Seroquel but without the weight gain.
I'm not "psychotic" or "manic" very often, either. It's been every few years, lately, as I have become more resilient. If I could get through the withdrawals and trauma release, I could live on no meds for years at a time, I believe. This trauma therapy has been the only thing that has ever helped me (various meds and CBT never did), but I only started it after my last hospitalization (summer 2013), so I won't know if over the long term it will facilitate enough healing for me to wean off the drugs.
I think it's clear that I'm just going to have to put up with Seroquel... for now at least. Compared to some people with the same label as me, I'm on a pretty low dosage (under 300 mg) and have been for years, and those around me seem to think I can manage to get down to 200 mg. After that we'll see. Last time (before I started therapy), all hell broke loose (panic/terror/rage/depersonalization/insomnia/temperature dysregulation) a little under 100 mg, even though I was stepping down in 12.5 mg increments.
Athene
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Seroquel: 262.5 mg
Ativan: 1 mg
Posted by ed_uk2010 on October 5, 2014, at 17:42:31
In reply to Re: Lurasidone, posted by Athene on October 5, 2014, at 15:39:45
So, are you still having the trauma therapy at the moment, or have you stopped for a while? It's great to hear how much it helped you.
Posted by Athene on October 5, 2014, at 19:39:26
In reply to Re: Lurasidone » Athene, posted by ed_uk2010 on October 5, 2014, at 17:42:31
> So, are you still having the trauma therapy at the moment, or have you stopped for a while? It's great to hear how much it helped you.
>Yes, I still see my therapist, every week if possible. And outside of therapy, I've learned how to release trauma so much more effectively, instead of getting caught up in a loop. I can calm myself down and even find joy, when I once could not. Relationships are more rewarding and I generally sleep soundly.
Thanks for your encouragement.
Athene
Posted by Athene on October 5, 2014, at 19:48:02
In reply to Re: Lurasidone, posted by Athene on October 5, 2014, at 19:39:26
I realized I didn't change the subject line for my previous post. I'm posting again so more people can read about the option of body-based trauma therapy. I was never told about it when I was diagnosed and treated by the MH system. It took years to stumble upon a good therapist.
A great book to start is Peter Levine's *Waking The Tiger*. It explains the theory from a physiological perspective, relating traumatization to survival responses. From reading it, I can see how trauma manifests in symptoms that get diagnosed as depression, anxiety or bipolar.
Athene
> > So, are you still having the trauma therapy at the moment, or have you stopped for a while? It's great to hear how much it helped you.
> >
>
> Yes, I still see my therapist, every week if possible. And outside of therapy, I've learned how to release trauma so much more effectively, instead of getting caught up in a loop. I can calm myself down and even find joy, when I once could not. Relationships are more rewarding and I generally sleep soundly.
>
> Thanks for your encouragement.
>
> Athene
Posted by Lamdage22 on October 6, 2014, at 8:17:47
In reply to Lurasidone » Athene, posted by ed_uk2010 on October 5, 2014, at 15:01:40
Make no mistake. If you are planning to reduce your APs:
Utter stability and not ANY psychosis warning signs for several weeks before reduction. Reversing the reduction if warning signs become evident.
Only very slight warning signs are okay in the process of adjusting. If you cant adjust, it means that you most likely have a psychotic disorder that must be treated.
I find your behavior on this board very irresponsible.
Posted by Lamdage22 on October 6, 2014, at 8:24:52
In reply to @Lou, posted by Lamdage22 on October 6, 2014, at 8:17:47
And how do you know that your particular understanding of spirituality can save each and every one of us? Has it been scientifically studied?
And btw: The only "green fields" that i ever knew where when i was on Nardil, a strong AD. It also made me psychotic so i ditched it. But there are NO green fields in my past.
Otherwise i wouldnt have touched Nardil. I have a psychotic disorder and Nardil is contraindicated. We didnt know.
Posted by Athene on October 6, 2014, at 9:44:56
In reply to @Lou, posted by Lamdage22 on October 6, 2014, at 8:17:47
> Make no mistake. If you are planning to reduce your APs:
>
> Utter stability and not ANY psychosis warning signs for several weeks before reduction. Reversing the reduction if warning signs become evident.
>
> Only very slight warning signs are okay in the process of adjusting. If you cant adjust, it means that you most likely have a psychotic disorder that must be treated.
>
> I find your behavior on this board very irresponsible.I don't know what you're talking about, Lou. Who is irresponsible? What have they done?
Posted by Athene on October 6, 2014, at 9:46:52
In reply to Re: @Lou » Lamdage22, posted by Athene on October 6, 2014, at 9:44:56
> > Make no mistake. If you are planning to reduce your APs:
> >
> > Utter stability and not ANY psychosis warning signs for several weeks before reduction. Reversing the reduction if warning signs become evident.
> >
> > Only very slight warning signs are okay in the process of adjusting. If you cant adjust, it means that you most likely have a psychotic disorder that must be treated.
> >
> > I find your behavior on this board very irresponsible.
>
> I don't know what you're talking about, Lou. Who is irresponsible? What have they done?
>Oops, I meant Lamdage.
Posted by Athene on October 6, 2014, at 9:58:38
In reply to Re: @Lou, posted by Lamdage22 on October 6, 2014, at 8:24:52
> And how do you know that your particular understanding of spirituality can save each and every one of us? Has it been scientifically studied?
>
> And btw: The only "green fields" that i ever knew where when i was on Nardil, a strong AD. It also made me psychotic so i ditched it. But there are NO green fields in my past.
>
> Otherwise i wouldnt have touched Nardil. I have a psychotic disorder and Nardil is contraindicated. We didnt know.
>Who are you talking to, Lamdage?
If it's me, the trauma therapy has nothing to do with spirituality. It's based wholly on physiological principles. I'd have to do some research to know if it's been studied scientifically. And I never said it could help everyone. But more people deserve to just KNOW about it. Meds are ineffective or harmful for a lot of people, or don't really address their issues. You can't just assume everyone who looks psychotic has a broken brain either. Trauma can cause some very severe emotional and behavioural problems that come out when you're on lower doses of medication and therefore less sedated. That's all I'm saying.
It's kind of black and white to simply conclude that people have a "psychotic disorder", therefore their brains are broken. That means they are doomed to be drugged for life. Being on psych drugs for years can shorten people's lives (due to heart disease, diabetes and organ failure) and impact heavily on their quality of life (cognitive dulling, self-esteem effects of weight gain, apathy, lethargy, numbness).
People need to know all their options. Yes, there are risks involved in medication reduction, but if you do it successfully (and gradual tapering is part of the process), there are life-long rewards.
Sara
Posted by Lamdage22 on October 6, 2014, at 11:04:02
In reply to It's not spirituality » Lamdage22, posted by Athene on October 6, 2014, at 9:58:38
No, i was talking to Lou..
His posts may lead to irresponsible discontinuation of meds. I know because i have been there.
It shouldnt be taken lightly. The failure of my attempt to discontinue has lead to more antipsychotics than you can imagine to stop the psychosis. It was bad.
And this may really end in someone getting hurt, whereas responsible attempts still leave room for going back up in the dosage.
Telling people to tolerate psychosis is irresponsible.
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