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Posted by stan_the_man70 on September 1, 2014, at 3:31:13
Beware of bogus posters - drug co reps ???
read this link - http://fskrealityguide.blogspot.in/2010/10/drug-company-pr-reps-are-trolling-my.html
posters touting drugs - supplements - products - claiming to be patients...
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SUNDAY, OCTOBER 31, 2010
Drug Company PR Reps Are Trolling My Blog
Ramesh has left a new comment on your post "Reader Mail #62":After suffering all of my life with depression and then later in life (20-33) with severe anxiety, insomnia, and a general feeling of restlessness to the point I thought I was going to "crawl the walls", I was prescribed Seroquel. I quickly found out I had to take my dose at bedtime due to being so sleepy when I took it during the day. Seroquel has been the ONLY medicine that has worked for me to ease the symptoms of my Bipolar Disorder 1. A Big Thanks to Seroquel for making life easier for me!
Drug company PR reps look for blog posts with the keyword "Seroquel", and then post a favorable comment.Google is useful! The exact same comment is on this page.iluzzion said:
User Rating: not submitted
After suffering all of my life with depression and then later in life (20-33) with severe anxiety, insomnia, and a general feeling of restlessness to the point I thought I was going to "crawl the walls", I was prescribed Seroquel. I quickly found out I had to take my dose at bedtime due to being so sleepy when I took it during the day. Seroquel has been the ONLY medicine that has worked for me to ease the symptoms of my Bipolar Disorder 1. A Big Thanks to Seroquel for making life easier for me!102 user(s) found this comment helpful. Did you?
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Here, the user name is "illuzion" and not "Ramesh".It's nice to catch a drug company PR rep redhanded. Just because a website has pro-drug comments doesn't mean they're accurate!
A pro-drug comment isn't definite proof, but this incident is. Whenever I see someone claiming a psychiatric drug helped them, I'm incredibly suspicious.
Posted by FSK at 12:00 PM
Posted by stan_the_man70 on September 1, 2014, at 3:56:07
In reply to Beware of troll posters, posted by stan_the_man70 on September 1, 2014, at 3:31:13
another link about drug company reps - http://www.avaresearch.com/articles/427/Confessions-Of-A-Drug-Rep.html
Lets take a look at the front lines of drug makers - the drug reps; these are the guys and gals who get physicians to write as many prescriptions of their companys drugs as possible.
One might assume drug reps have at least a general science undergraduate degree. After all, many physicians rely on drug reps to educate them on the latest drug therapies and mechanisms of action. In reality, it is very rare for reps to have any science background prior to becoming a drug rep. Why might this be? Perhaps Upton Sinclair said it best;
It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his job depends on not understanding it.
Drug reps need sales skills more than an understanding of science and medicine. Drug companies teach their reps only what they want them to know. This helps them become more passionate salesmen since they only learn the most favorable side of the picture. If drug reps had a basic science background, they might be able to decipher biased research and realize the harmful effects of the drugs they pitch. That certainly wouldnt contribute to sales. Even for reps that might have some kind of science background or might be clever enough to see past the smoke-and-mirrors, they will tend to focus on the benefits while ignoring the risks because selling drugs puts food on their table.
As opposed to having a basic science background, the most qualified candidates for drug rep positions are attractive and well-spoken.
Most female reps are hired based primarily upon their physical appeal.
The male reps are persuasive and likable.
Regardless of their sex, if drug reps use their charm well, the rewards for success can be quite generous. Seasoned drug reps can make six figures if theyre really good; good at schmoozing with physicians; or in the case of female reps, being easy on the eyes.
The starting salary isnt too bad either. If you happen to land a job as a drug rep with a major drug company you can expect to start out with a base salary of about $50,000. Thats around the same as the average starting salary of a Ph.D. college biology professor (public universities, although salaries do vary).
But this is just the beginning. They also get a company car with auto insurance. Theyre also eligible for quarterly and annual bonuses along with lavish vacations if they meet sales targets.
To help achieve their sales quotas, they are provided with a large annual expense account to buy the loyalty of physicians in the form of gifts, vacations, five-star dinner seminars and other perks.
But this is not the end. Some physicians are paid for speaking events, research, and other activities that provide rewards for drug endorsements. These funds come from an entirely different and much larger expense account.
When reps hold educational meetings theyre usually in fine dining restaurants with physicians free to order as much food and drinks as they wish.
And when drug companies hold conferences, its really party time. Physicians are provided with unlimited access to the finest cognac, wines, cigars and meals money can buy. Drug companies spare no expense when it comes to wining and dining physicians. After all, physicians ultimately control up to 100% of drug company revenues.
A former drug rep testified before Congress that pharmaceutical companies hire former cheerleaders and ex-models to wine and dine doctors, exaggerate the drugs benefits and underplay their side-effects.
He also explained that he was taught how to exceed spending limits for important clients by using friendships and personal gifts, and to exploit sexual tension.------- more at the website -----
Posted by stan_the_man70 on September 1, 2014, at 4:11:26
In reply to Beware of troll posters, posted by stan_the_man70 on September 1, 2014, at 3:31:13
another link - http://danariely.com/2012/06/27/a-dinner-with-drug-reps-2/
A Dinner with Drug Reps
Jun
27
Over the years Ive written all sorts of blog posts on dishonesty, and because the new book release, I want to repost an updated version of them to accompany. For the next few days Ill post one every other day. Enjoy!Janet Schwartz of Tulane University and I once spent an evening with a few former pharmaceutical reps, men who used to be in the business of selling a wide range of drugs to treat all kinds of diseases and conditions, from fibromyalgia to depression to restless leg syndrome. As drug representatives, they would go from doctor to doctor attempting to convince physicians to prescribe their companys drugs. How? Typically they would start by passing on informative pamphlets and giving out products like pens, clipboards, and notepads advertising their drugs.
But we knew there was more to the story, so we tried the pharmaceutical reps at their own game we took them to a nice dinner and kept the wine flowing. Once we got them a bit sauced, they were ready to tell all. And what we learned was fairly shocking.
Picture these guys: attractive, charming young men. Not the kind of guys who would have trouble finding a date. One of them told us a story about how he was once trying to persuade a reluctant female physician to attend a seminar about a medication he was promoting. After a bit of persuading, she finally decided to attend but only after he agreed to escort her to a ballroom dancing class. This, according to our new friends, was a typical kind of quid pro quo where the rep does a personal favor for the doctor and the doctor promotes the reps product in return.
Another common practice was to bring meals to the doctors office (one of the perks of being a receptionist), and one office even required alternating days of steak or lobster for lunch in exchange for access to the (well-fed) doctors.
Even more shocking was that when the reps were in the physicians office, they were sometimes called into the examination room (as experts) to inform the patients about the drug directly. And the device reps experienced a surprisingly intimate level of involvement in patient care, often selling medical devices in the operating room, while the surgery was going on.
Aside from learning about their profession, we also realized how well these pharmaceutical reps understood classic psychological persuasion strategies, and how they employed them in a sophisticated and intuitive manner. One clever tactic they used was to hire physicians to give a brief lecture to other physicians about a drug. Now, they really didnt care what the audience took from the lecture, but were actually interested in what the act of giving the lecture did to the speaker himself. They found that after giving a short lecture about the benefits of a drug, the speaker would begin to believe his own words and soon prescribe accordingly. Psychological studies show that people quickly start believing whatever comes out of their own mouths, even when they are paid to say it. This is a clear case of cognitive dissonance at play; doctors reason that if they are touting this drug, they must believe in it themselves and so their beliefs alter to align with their speech.
The reps employed other tricks like switching on and off various accents, personalities, political affiliations, and basically served as persuasion machines (they may have mentioned the word chameleon). They were great at putting doctors at ease, relating to them as similar working people who go deep-sea fishing or play baseball together. They used these shared experiences to develop an understanding that the physicians write prescriptions for their friends. The physicians, of course, did not think that they were compromising their values when they were out shooting the breeze with the drug reps.
I was recently at a conference for the American Medical Association, where I gave a lecture about conflicts of interest. Interestingly, the lecture just before me was by a representative from a device company that created brain implants. In his lecture he made the case for selling devices in the operating room because doctors could need help learning how to use the device. And in order to fight conflicts of interest, the company no longer takes physicians to Hawaii for their annual conferences and instead they have their conference in Wisconsin.
So, what do we do? First, we must realize that doctors have conflicts of interest. With this understanding we need to place barriers that prevent this kind of schmoozing, and to keep reps from undue access to physicians or patients. They, of course, have the right to send doctors information, but their interactions should stop there.
I have one more idea: What if we only allow people to be drug reps if they are over 75 and unattractive? Not only would these individuals have more personal experience with the healthcare system, it also could reduce conflicts of interest and open up job opportunities to an undervalued population.
Posted by stan_the_man70 on September 1, 2014, at 7:20:34
In reply to Beware of troll posters, posted by stan_the_man70 on September 1, 2014, at 3:31:13
have to reference the original source - http://www.sfweekly.com/sanfrancisco/government-lets-fraudulent-drug-companies-deal-with-medicare/Content?oid=2180234
Drug company reps can boost sales radically by bribing doctors to prescribe medicines for conditions for which the FDA has not approved them. Laws prohibit off-label marketing to prevent snake-oil salesmen from poisoning the public. For example, the FDA specifically did not approve Zonegran for use in children because of severe potential side effects of heat exhaustion and dehydration. Nonetheless, according to a federal indictment, one sales rep went so far as to instruct physicians to administer the drug to a child by emptying a capsule into applesauce.
According to Chartock's complaint, between 2001 and 2003 Zonegran's sales increased 87 percent to more than $80 million "due in large part to" bribes and off-label marketing.
Medicare rules banish companies convicted of felony fraud. But that rarely happens, even in cases of multibillion-dollar fraud.
The reason is simple: Like Bear Stearns and AIG, pharmaceutical giants seem too big to fail. Felony convictions would require banning big drug companies that defraud the government. That would make certain types of medicine unavailable to Medicare patients. And given pharmaceutical companies' reliance on Medicare sales, banishment would drive companies out of business, eliminating thousands of jobs.
Posted by stan_the_man70 on September 1, 2014, at 7:26:27
In reply to Beware of troll posters, posted by stan_the_man70 on September 1, 2014, at 3:31:13
have to reference the original link - http://www.buffalonews.com/city-region/federal-court/whistle-blowers-expose-huge-drug-company-scam-20131104
The allegation is that Johnson & Johnson and one of its units, Janssen Pharmaceuticals, marketed Risperdal for uses not approved by the Federal Drug Administration and then paid kickbacks to doctors and pharmacists who prescribed or promoted the drug.The company also is accused of downplaying the side effects of the drug theres research linking it to breast development in male children when dealing with physicians and patients.
Judith was working for J&J selling Risperdal, said Oliverio. She became concerned early on that what she was doing violated the law.
She spoke first to McGowan, who was a Janssen district manager based in Pittsburgh, and they agreed they should bring their fears to the company.
They went up the chain with their concerns, and they were stonewalled, Oliverio said. They felt frustrated and angry, and they felt in some way betrayed by the company.
Thats when they went to Oliverio. It was the summer of 2004, and the former federal prosecutor quickly realized how big a case he had.
Originally, this was David and Goliath, he said. This was Johnson & Johnson, one of the most iconic companies in the world.
At his direction, Doetterl and McGowan filed a civil suit in Buffalo that was immediately placed under court-ordered seal until federal prosecutors could decide if they wanted to join the case.
They did, and the local case was eventually consolidated with three other similar cases from across the country.
Federal prosecutors also decided to open a separate criminal investigation into what Johnson & Johnson was doing, and thats when they asked Doetterl and two others to go undercover, with the civil suit still under seal initially so that Johnson and Johnson didnt know about it.
Early on in the case, Doetterl wore a recording device while attending a two-day national sales conference in Texas.
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Posted by Lamdage22 on September 1, 2014, at 8:19:44
In reply to and another one, posted by stan_the_man70 on September 1, 2014, at 7:26:27
I always suspected it. Those reviews on drugs.com about Brintellix. IDK man. Maybe future treatments are so effective that they don't have to exaggerate benefits.
Posted by stan_the_man70 on September 1, 2014, at 10:23:05
In reply to and another one, posted by stan_the_man70 on September 1, 2014, at 7:26:27
here is the link to the article
you need to read it in full - if you want
http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/internet-trolls-may-be-trained-government-agents-according-to-leaked-document/
Trolls Used by Big Pharma to Attack Vaccine ObjectorsHave you ever been on an Internet forum, blog, or Facebook Page where all of a sudden, out of nowhere, several people appear to contradict the main topic being discussed, especially if it is regarding a controversial topic like vaccines? Well it is entirely possible, and even likely, that it is not coincidence, and that it is a well-coordinated attack by trolls. As Greenwald reveals in his article published this week, there are definitely programs in place in government spy agencies to do just that.
This tactic of trained trolls can be used by those outside of government also, and Big Pharma seems to be one business sector that employs this tactic as well, especially targeting publishers who report on the dangers of vaccines.
Of course it should also be pointed out that the distinction between the government and the pharmaceutical industry is a very hazy one. As we have pointed out several times in the past, the vaccine industry cannot survive in a free market, but needs the government to prop them up. In the 1980s there were so many lawsuits against pharmaceutical companies for vaccine damages, that the vaccine industry blackmailed Congress by threatening to get out of the vaccine business unless they passed legislation protecting them from lawsuits. Congress obliged, and legislation was passed preventing the public from suing pharmaceutical companies for damages due to vaccines, and this law was upheld by the Supreme Court in 2011. The pharmaceutical industry now has a free pass to put as many vaccines into the market place as they want to, regardless of efficacy or dangerous side effects, since there is no accountability left in the judicial system.
Today, the pharmaceutical industry is practically a branch of the government. The government awards grants from your tax dollars to research new vaccines, the FDA approves them, and then government organizations like the CDC and UNICEF purchase the vaccines with your tax dollars. The CDC even holds patents and earns royalties on vaccines, and many of the top scientists work for both the government and the pharmaceutical companies. Julie Gerberding, for example, was the head of the CDC from 2002 to 2009, and then took over as head of the pharmaceutical company Mercks vaccine division overseeing billions of dollars in sales. The government definitely has a vested interest in protecting the vaccine market.
So it should surprise no one that there are coordinated efforts to infiltrate and discredit those who publish the truth about vaccines, which may lead to fewer people wanting to purchase or receive them.
Consider the following comments appearing on a blog post from a pro-Pharma site discussing how to target sites and Facebook Pages who publish the alternative view of vaccines. Advice is given on how to infiltrate and flood discussions about vaccines by pretending to be victims of diseases because they failed to get vaccinated. I am not going to mention the name of the website and give them publicity, but it has already been established that this site is financed by those with clear ties to the pharmaceutical industry. Here are some comments that appeared in a blog post that was trying to convince readers that outbreaks of diseases were due to anti-vaccinationists:
Use emotional warfare on anti-vax blogs. Tell emotional stories full of tears and sobbing and unbearable grief and terror, about people in your own family or people you read about, who were sick with or died of terrible diseases. Dont hold back details about bodily fluids and suchlike: the more gross the better. This stuff has a way of infiltrating the minds of readers and subtly influencing their decisions, in a manner similar to advertising.
Go in there and agree with them and then say things that appear thoroughly delusional, overtly nuts, blatantly and obviously wrong even to nincompoops, etc. Occasional spelling and grammar errors are also useful but dont over-do. The point of this exercise is to create an impression that drives away undecideds who may come in to check out these sites. It helps to do this as a group effort and begin gradually, so the sites appear to be going downhill slowly.
But it is useful to have an email address that cant be traced back, for certain legitimate and ethical uses, just as it is useful to have a mail box at say the UPS store.
As you can see from this advice, trying to reason or debate on the merits or lack of merits regarding vaccines does not work, so they have to resort to manipulative and deceptive tactics, much the same as what Greenwald was reporting about above in regards to government spy agencies. Here is a comment showing how they also try to out number those who are not trolls:
12 is right on target: post that kind of schizophrenic word-salad on the anti-vax sites in large quantities, under various pseudonyms, and clog up the sites with it until it appears that a large fraction of the members are downright wacko. This will seriously turn off undecideds who check out those sites. P2s comment is an excellent template for this tactic, but you can easily make up your own by inserting random words into sentences and then going on digressive riffs about the random words. Be sure to Capitalize occasional Nouns and Verbs as well.
Really: listen up folks, the way to fight this crap is NOT by patiently explaining to people who are already way past being persuaded that the Earth isnt flat. You may as well be talking to rocks (healing crystals?:-). The way to fight it is by sabotaging the anti-vaxers with crazy stuff that drives away undecideds. The way to fight it is with emotional narratives that undermine the ones that the anti-vaxers are pushing.
These trolls are also adept in creating fake personalities with fake email addresses so that they can continue to infiltrate those who publish the other side of the vaccine debate:
76: The way to do it is to set up a fictitious email address. Speaking from experience working on research on extremist groups:
Start by setting one up on your existing broadband provider: AT&T, Comcast, and the rest of em give you five or more email addresses of your choice. Create a totally fictitious name and then an address that reflects that name e.g. John Doe and JDoe1234@.
Next, get an address on a free service provider such as Yahoo or Hotmail or whatever. Since most of these ask for your other email address as proof of identity, give them the one on your broadband provider. They will send a confirmation email to that address giving you your starting password.
Third, after about a week of using your new fictitious address in various places that let you sign up for comments, you can be sure its working, so then go in and delete the address you created on your broadband service. Typically they deactivate the address immediately and then take a month to free up that slot for re-use. This step ensures that your Yahoo or Hotmail address becomes un-traceable back to your broadband provider.
Fourth, wait a month for the original fictitious name to completely purge from your broadband provider.
Fifth: Now youre home free to get onto the anti-vax boards and any other objectionable boards you want to go after, and make all manner of noise to make them look ridiculous and drive away the undecideds. Yeee-hawww, round em up!
Speaking of rounding em up, you now have an untraceable email address
That said, the option of simply going forth and making noise on anti-vax boards makes it all worthwhile. Every undecided you scare away from those boards, is one more family that will probably get their kids vaccinated.
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Posted by stan_the_man70 on September 1, 2014, at 10:35:59
In reply to Re: and another one, posted by Lamdage22 on September 1, 2014, at 8:19:44
Health Impact News EditorGlenn Greenwald, a journalist, constitutional lawyer, commentator, and author of three New York Times best-selling books on politics and law, has been working with NBC News the past few weeks publishing a series of articles on how covert government agents infiltrate the Internet to manipulate, deceive, and destroy reputations.
The information is based on documents leaked by National Security Agency (NSA) whistleblower Edward Snowden. Greenwalds article, How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet to Manipulate, Deceive, and Destroy Reputations, is based on four classified documents produced by the British spy agency GCHQ, and presented to the NSA and three other English speaking agencies reportedly part of The Five Eyes Alliance.
In this shocking piece, Greenwald publishes a copy of a spy training manual used entitled: The Art of Deception: Training for Online Covert Operations. Greenwald writes that agencies like the NSA are attempting to control, infiltrate, manipulate, and warp online discourse, and in doing so, are compromising the integrity of the internet itself. Greenwald writes:
Among the core self-identified purposes of JTRIG are two tactics: (1) to inject all sorts of false material onto the internet in order to destroy the reputation of its targets; and (2) to use social sciences and other techniques to manipulate online discourse and activism to generate outcomes it considers desirable. To see how extremist these programs are, just consider the tactics they boast of using to achieve those ends: false flag operations (posting material to the internet and falsely attributing it to someone else), fake victim blog posts (pretending to be a victim of the individual whose reputation they want to destroy), and posting negative information on various forums.
While this kind of counter-intelligence activity may not sound surprising given the objectives of spy agencies going after terrorists, what disturbs Greenwald (and many others) is that the discussion regarding these techniques have been greatly expanded to include the general public:
Critically, the targets for this deceit and reputation-destruction extend far beyond the customary roster of normal spycraft: hostile nations and their leaders, military agencies, and intelligence services. In fact, the discussion of many of these techniques occurs in the context of using them in lieu of traditional law enforcement against people suspected (but not charged or convicted) of ordinary crimes or, more broadly still, hacktivism, meaning those who use online protest activity for political ends.
The title page of one of these documents reflects the agencys own awareness that it is pushing the boundaries by using cyber offensive techniques against people who have nothing to do with terrorism or national security threats, and indeed, centrally involves law enforcement agents who investigate ordinary crimes.
No matter your views on Anonymous, hacktivists or garden-variety criminals, it is not difficult to see how dangerous it is to have secret government agencies being able to target any individuals they want who have never been charged with, let alone convicted of, any crimes with these sorts of online, deception-based tactics of reputation destruction and disruption.
And while these leaked documents concern the British spy agency, Greenwald is quick to point out that the Obama administration has actually been open and forward about using such techniques in the U.S.:
Government plans to monitor and influence internet communications, and covertly infiltrate online communities in order to sow dissension and disseminate false information, have long been the source of speculation. Harvard Law Professor Cass Sunstein, a close Obama adviser and the White Houses former head of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, wrote a controversial paper in 2008 proposing that the US government employ teams of covert agents and pseudo-independent advocates to cognitively infiltrate online groups and websites, as well as other activist groups.
Sunstein also proposed sending covert agents into chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups which spread what he views as false and damaging conspiracy theories about the government. Ironically, the very same Sunstein was recently named by Obama to serve as a member of the NSA review panel created by the White House, one that while disputing key NSA claims proceeded to propose many cosmetic reforms to the agencys powers (most of which were ignored by the President who appointed them).
Posted by stan_the_man70 on September 1, 2014, at 11:29:52
In reply to Beware of troll posters, posted by stan_the_man70 on September 1, 2014, at 3:31:13
you need to read the entire post here - http://pharmamkting.blogspot.in/2009/09/are-j-agents-trolling-for-adverse.html
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Here's the post:
Since it's been discussed here....pharm. co's...For those that don't believe in "Big Pharma"
I am a member of BzzAgent, an online networking site that offers free trials or products to people as a means of marketing. They basically send you info and either coupons or free samples (or both) to help you convince other people to use the product in question (i.e. I did one for dog food and one for an OTC anti-histamine). Kind of like grassroots marketing. You only get offers targeted for your demographic group, of course.
I just took a survey through BzzAgent for Johnson & Johnson, which basically was more of a "contract" where if chosen, I agreed to notify J&J if I became aware of any negative talk about their products. It was all couched in terminology implying that I would only be doing this as a representative of J&J, and only because it was "required by law" for all J&J employees to report any and all "adverse events" associated with use of J&J products. It mentioned that I would be under obligation to report anything I heard, even if on the internet, including contact information for the person stating the problem. Nothing about getting their permission to relay that information, which stuck out given the detailed, "legal" approach of the survey.
So, basically - agreeing to be a "troll"
POSTED BY: "Chris Braile" [Profile not available on site]
Posted by stan_the_man70 on September 1, 2014, at 12:00:54
In reply to Beware of troll posters, posted by stan_the_man70 on September 1, 2014, at 3:31:13
Gwen talks about psychiatric drugs
psychiatric patients are encouraged to be on drugs
people are on the drugs for the rest of their lives because the drugs are impossible to get off of
severe withdrawal symptoms even when trying to titrate off
anti depressants not more effective than placebo, less effective than exercise
7 minute video has more info....------------------ go to website for vid
A fifteen-year-veteran pharmaceutical rep from 1985 2000, Gwen Olsen worked for McNeil Pharmaceutical, Syntex Laboratories, Bristol-Myers Squibb, Abbott Labs and Forest Laboratories. She was a hospital rep and specialist rep for the majority of her career, educating residents in hospital teaching settings and selling prescription drugs to doctors in obstetrics and gynecology, orthopedics, cardiology, neurology, endocrinology and psychiatry.
Gwen has a unique industry insiders perspective of the current U.S. healthcare dilemma, and utilizes both her experience and the insight she received in her extensive sales training with Pharma to illuminate marketing trends and illustrate how current greed and conflicts of interest make the system itself the biggest health risk to American consumers.
In the video below, Gwen blows the lid off Big Pharma's greed motivations and how taking the pharmaceutical route, be it for heart disease, cancer, mental health or other issues, can be a tragic decision. She is an advocate of people informing themselves about diet and lifestyle, and taking charge of their health, rather than becoming victims of a warped, dishonest drug business.
Posted by Lamdage22 on September 1, 2014, at 12:26:27
In reply to in case if u prefer a video, posted by stan_the_man70 on September 1, 2014, at 12:00:54
Ask YOUR doctor if getting YOUR *ss of the couch is right for you!
HAHAHAHA!!
Posted by alexandra_k on September 2, 2014, at 0:48:00
In reply to Beware of troll posters, posted by stan_the_man70 on September 1, 2014, at 3:31:13
it could go the other way, too. posting bad posts about rival companies products.
shame the internet got all... tragedy of the commons...
i do wonder if there is a better (less advertising based, gimmicky, progressively corrupt) search engine etc than google... for people 'in the know'. sigh.
Posted by Lamdage22 on September 2, 2014, at 13:11:32
In reply to Re: in case if u prefer a video, posted by Lamdage22 on September 1, 2014, at 12:26:27
I do think that some of those esoteric posters are erratic on purpose. That way they want to defuse true statements.
Trying to make it all look completely ridiculous when in reality some statements are very true.Who knows? I can tell it works on me (IF it is on purpose).
It is quite hard to filter information and get a hang of what may be true.
Posted by stan_the_man70 on September 4, 2014, at 19:59:41
In reply to Beware of troll posters, posted by stan_the_man70 on September 1, 2014, at 3:31:13
if you have already watched such videos earlier and do not want to watch others - please do not flame me.
Psychiatry, The Biggest Medical Fraud, Victim Speaks Out
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFcwwOIT4o4
- must watch really touching videoPsychiatry, Scam or Crime
- play list with 24 videos
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AazObF_pHSU&list=PLPdo2GFGt5j5pKdK9h38z9qNRCgrUCigTThe Psychiatrist and the Drug Rep. - Psychiatrist Working Well With Pharma, The Real Dope
- animated video with sarcasm
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9em-6sTzvkA Visit to the Psychiatrist
- really weird and funny
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjH2ZlBSA0YPsychiatry , DEATH INDUSTRY = LIARS called "doctors",
- INVOLUNTARY doctor intervention
- HORRIBLE - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVPLJHXcPbMDrugging Our Children: Psychiatry Full Interview, Ex-Pharma Rep Tells All, The Truth Talks
- detailed interview with a drug rep spilling beans
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciY-4PyyrEYMental Health: Does a Chemical Imbalance Cause Mental Disorders? Psychiatrist Tells the Truth
- chemical imbalance is a hoax
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq1IwrSNhUoIs Psychiatry A Scam? Truth About Mental Disorders, Psychiatrists Colin Ross & Corrina Psychetruth
- WORTH YOUR TIME WATCHING THIS
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG1VHpsgUcYFor more vidoes - watch this channel - https://www.youtube.com/user/psychetruth/videos
Posted by Dr. Bob on September 5, 2014, at 12:34:56
In reply to Beware of troll posters, posted by stan_the_man70 on September 1, 2014, at 3:31:13
> Beware of bogus posters
Please don't post under more than one name at the same time or change your posting name without following these steps:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#names
Thanks,
Bob
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