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Posted by Tomatheus on August 25, 2014, at 20:04:44
I've posted this question on another forum site, but I figured that I'd seek input from those of you who post here, too. So, here's my question:
To those of you who are taking or who have taken haloperidol (Haldol), could you tell me how the medication seemed to affect your energy level? How was your sleep while you were taking the medication? Did you find it more difficult than usual to get out of bed after a night's worth of sleep? And regardless as to whether haloperidol adversely affected your energy levels, how much did you take?
Tomatheus
Posted by Christ_empowered on August 25, 2014, at 21:18:33
In reply to Haloperidol (Haldol) and energy, posted by Tomatheus on August 25, 2014, at 20:04:44
1 oral dose of Haldol w/ Depakote and lorazepam stopped my brain. I think it was 5mgs. WOW. No thoughts. Barely suppressed akathisia.
I don't recommend vitamin H to anyone.
Posted by rjlockhart37 on August 25, 2014, at 21:36:29
In reply to Re: Haloperidol (Haldol) and energy, posted by Christ_empowered on August 25, 2014, at 21:18:33
i call it the big H, not herione....his evil brotheer LOL
when i was in rehab they said that if someone started acting crazy and fighting with the staff, they got the bootie juice....get a shot when taken to the unit.....
haldol is heavy....i've never taken it, but another thing there was a girl in my rehab group had drug issues, but had schizophenia...she always refer to "them" not humans....lol, but she talked about haldol she said would sleep like a baby....
but it causes weight gain, and gives that antipsychotic decay look on people that have taken it for a long time.....weight gain and makes you look kinda drugged all the time
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Posted by Tomatheus on August 25, 2014, at 23:18:16
In reply to Haloperidol (Haldol) and energy, posted by Tomatheus on August 25, 2014, at 20:04:44
Thanks guys for your responses. I'm still hoping that maybe somebody will say that haloperidol wasn't too tranquilizing, but what both of you wrote does tend to be consistent with what I've read about the medication. I was thinking about asking my psychiatrist about haloperidol because of its possible action against Toxoplasma gondii. I don't know if I'm infected with T. gondii protozoa, but I know that having antibodies against T. gondii is correlated with psychotic disorders and that I may be infected with something, with my white blood cell count coming back as elevated from 2007 to my most recent test early last year. But given the heavy fatigue that I used to experience prior to the onset of my psychosis and to a lesser extent now, I'm definitely wary of trying haloperidol.
Tomatheus
Posted by rjlockhart37 on August 25, 2014, at 23:51:04
In reply to Re: Haloperidol (Haldol) and energy, posted by Tomatheus on August 25, 2014, at 23:18:16
well, it';s a good medication, just maybe it would be good for you maybe in a lower dose, because higher doses, really are the ones that make too tranquilized and zoned out......didnt mean to propganda against it, it's defiently always a good medication to allivate some anxiety
maybe like .5mg - 1mg to start with, reduces dopamine directly and calms down some parts and can be a vary good medication
it's just always been known as the "haldol" because of it's strength
Posted by Tomatheus on August 26, 2014, at 0:30:03
In reply to Re: Haloperidol (Haldol) and energy, posted by rjlockhart37 on August 25, 2014, at 23:51:04
Thanks, RJ. Perhaps I shouldn't completely rule out ever trying a very low dose of haloperidol (Haldol). Something like .5 mg just to try along with my Abilify might not be so bad, and I can always stop the medication if I react badly to it. I'm not sure if my psychiatrist would agree to prescribe such a low dose, but maybe I could ask him about it. Possibly.
Tomatheus
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 26, 2014, at 5:39:52
In reply to Re: Haloperidol (Haldol) and energy » rjlockhart37, posted by Tomatheus on August 26, 2014, at 0:30:03
Tomatheus,
why don't you get a blood test done? I persuaded my Dr to test me for toxoplasmosis and lyme yesterday. Im also sending feces into the lab to test for candida (again).
I think there are better methods than haldol. Two compounds that prevent toxoplasmosis from getting vitamin b.
But don't do this unless you know you have toxoplasmosis. Don't imagine diseases that aren't there.
Posted by Tomatheus on August 26, 2014, at 15:31:59
In reply to Re: Haloperidol (Haldol) and energy, posted by Lamdage22 on August 26, 2014, at 5:39:52
Lamdage22,
Well, first of all, I never said definitively that I have toxoplasmosis; I specifically said that I don't know if I have the disease. I think of having toxoplasmosis as a possibility in the same vein that I think it's possible that I might have some problem with the regulation of my dopamine system. And of course, nobody -- not any doctor, not anybody else -- knows if there's anything wrong with my dopamine system, yet I'm still prescribed a medication that modulate dopamine.
If my psychiatrist lets me get in a word about toxoplasmosis at my next appointment, I'll mention it and see what he has to say.
And I think that what you said about the "two compounds that prevent toxoplasmosis from getting vitamin b" being better than Haldol isn't entirely accurate. I thought I came across something saying that haloperidol was superior to the compounds in question as far as efficacy was concerned, but I can't locate the exact source at the moment.
I think that taking haloperidol would be like trying any other treatment that psychiatry has to offer. There's a chance that it might do some good, and there's also a chance that it might have some undesirable effects. Either way, I wouldn't know for sure whether haloperidol might be getting at the cause of some sort of disease process or if it might be helping in the same way an aspirin helps a headache.
And well, you probably have some idea as to how well that approach has been working for me. I actually did try to get a toxoplasmosis test once from another doctor, but the office turned me away and didn't even let me see the doctor. So, yeah, I'll see if my psychiatrist will let me get in a word about toxoplasmosis at my next appointment. I've already got a bunch of other things I want to talk to him about, and my psychiatrist doesn't give me much time to talk, but we'll see.
Tomatheus
Posted by ed_uk2010 on August 26, 2014, at 16:56:25
In reply to Haloperidol (Haldol) and energy, posted by Tomatheus on August 25, 2014, at 20:04:44
> I've posted this question on another forum site, but I figured that I'd seek input from those of you who post here, too. So, here's my question:
>
> To those of you who are taking or who have taken haloperidol (Haldol), could you tell me how the medication seemed to affect your energy level?I have not personally taken haloperidol, but I am very familiar with the effects of this widely used drug.
In general, very low doses cause minimal sedation, mainly because haloperidol lacks any antihistamine effect. The effects have also been studied in volunteers. In healthy volunteers, single oral doses of 3mg or less usually cause very little impairment. Doses of 5mg or more can cause substantial dysphoria and impairment because the dopamine blockade becomes very potent - akathisia and dystonias are common at this dose. 5mg by intramuscular injection is very powerful and side effects are therefore extremely common.
Due to haloperidol's high affinity for D2 receptors, very small changes in dose can make the difference between the med being well tolerated and entirely intolerable.
Because haloperidol has a long elimination half life, you would probably need to avoid doses of more than about 3mg per day if you were keen to avoid sedation. Unfortunately, long term use of low doses can still lead to tardive dyskinesia, especially in the elderly.
Posted by Tomatheus on August 26, 2014, at 17:12:31
In reply to Re: Haloperidol (Haldol) and energy » Tomatheus, posted by ed_uk2010 on August 26, 2014, at 16:56:25
Thank you for your post, Ed. You included some good information, and what you wrote was quite thorough, in my estimation.
Tomatheus
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 27, 2014, at 14:28:24
In reply to Re: Haloperidol (Haldol) and energy » Tomatheus, posted by ed_uk2010 on August 26, 2014, at 16:56:25
"Unfortunately, long term use of low doses can still lead to tardive dyskinesia, especially in the elderly."
Nasty!! I have seen one of those yesterday!
Id rather be dead. Thinking about switching from Zyprexa to Clozapine. My tongue is twitching and im afraid the twitching will spread. And i will look like a f*ck*ng fool for the rest of my life.
Is what Clozapine can do to your blood reversible??
@Tomatheus:
Id definitely do the test first. Haldol is pretty nasty.
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 27, 2014, at 14:39:49
In reply to Re: Haloperidol (Haldol) and energy, posted by Lamdage22 on August 27, 2014, at 14:28:24
If you had Toxoplasmosis,
ultimately the treatment would be boosting your immune system anyway, its (almost) never a bad idea. Once the Toxoplasmosis is low enough for your immune system to keep it in check. IF you have it at all.
And please, if you take Haldol either way, please let your doctor check your muscles, your sticked out tongue. You can check your tongue yourself. Before and after. Have the Dr check if you develop signs of tardive dyskinesia. If you do, get off. I don't want to bother you, but treat yourself well!
Get a test done if you can.
You don't want to walk around for the rest of your life like a moron. I have seen one of those guys yesterday and i am shattered. I don't want to end like this.
Posted by Tomatheus on August 27, 2014, at 16:13:46
In reply to Re: Haloperidol (Haldol) and energy, posted by Lamdage22 on August 27, 2014, at 14:39:49
Thanks for the suggestions, Lamdage22. I don't think it's likely that I'll be asking about haloperidol at my next appointment, as I feel like I'm already "walking around like a moron" as it is on Abilify. All of the D2 antagonists that I've tried so far (or at least those that I stayed on for at least a few days) have significantly worsened my fatigue, and I don't think that haloperidol is likely to be any different.
So, I'll probably just stick with Abilify as my antipsychotic and talk to my psychiatrist about the elevated white blood cells, if he lets me get in a word about it. And no, I won't be taking medications for toxoplasmosis unless I have some hard evidence (such as test results) that I have it and a prescription for such medications.
Tomatheus
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 27, 2014, at 16:35:53
In reply to Re: Haloperidol (Haldol) and energy » Lamdage22, posted by Tomatheus on August 27, 2014, at 16:13:46
Good luck at your doc appointment.
Posted by Tomatheus on August 27, 2014, at 18:00:34
In reply to Re: Haloperidol (Haldol) and energy, posted by Lamdage22 on August 27, 2014, at 16:35:53
> Good luck at your doc appointment.
Thanks, Lamdage22. I hope that you'll get some answers to your post about possibly having tardive dyskinesia.
Tomatheus
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 29, 2014, at 6:07:38
In reply to Re: Haloperidol (Haldol) and energy » Lamdage22, posted by Tomatheus on August 27, 2014, at 18:00:34
> > Good luck at your doc appointment.
>
> Thanks, Lamdage22. I hope that you'll get some answers to your post about possibly having tardive dyskinesia.
>
> TomatheusThanks Tomatheus,
well basically what i wanna do know is tolerate some psychotic symptoms in favor of reducing the APs quicker. It won't be permanent.
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