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Posted by Lou Pilder on July 21, 2014, at 0:34:22
In reply to ongoing akathisia, posted by g_g_g_unit on July 20, 2014, at 8:12:25
> I haven't posted here for a while, mostly because I haven't seen the point in much anymore, but for the past 6 months I've been suffering from this inner restlessness that starts from when I wake up, and then persists for the rest of the day. It literally feels like I'm being tortured and is accompanied by severe concentration difficulties, plus this abstract terror/feeling of being completely overwhelmed/inability to do any kind of purposeful activity etc. It's really hard to describe accurately, but just basic activities like needing to go in a car or shower provoke the utmost fear.. and lying down or relaxing or getting a break from the relentless unrest is impossible. The only thing that alleviates the feeling is being in motion .. but I can't commit to any single activity for very long at all ..
>
> Unfortunately, I can't tolerate anything anymore either. Even supplements. Benzos agitate me, so did clonidine, so did Guanfacine. What's probably saved my life has been melatonin, which lets me lie still enough after I ingest it to fall asleep. I don't want to precisely label what I have as akathisia, because strangely it appeared after stopping a low dose of Mirtazapine .. but it feels precisely how akathisia felt on the various meds I experienced it on. It isn't just a normal restlessness or dissatisfaction or overstimulation .. it's an inner *discomfort* or pressure or something. I also have leg jerking when I lie down at night, toe curling, plus bruxism/jaw clenching.
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> I saw a neurologist who said the only treatment was Propanolol, which doesn't really help, and he wouldn't prescribe it anyway because it exacerbates depression .. so I had to see a neuropsychiatrist first, who spent 45 minutes quizzing me on my relationships/life, was mostly incensed about the various benzos I'd been permitted to try, then told me nothing was wrong with me. The problem is that Propanolol and Nicotine control the symptoms enough that I can go out and sit in a doctor's room for 50 minutes, but it's not normality, or anywhere near .. and I ran out of money after that, so couldn't afford to go back to the neurologist or run any tests ..
>
> So I don't really know what to do. I don't trust medical professionals anymore, feel profoundly trapped and quite literally backed into a corner because being taken out of this very small zone where I'm existing now seems nightmarish. I'm going to try see a mental health GP who had positive reviews on ratemd tomorrow, but I just can't bear to try and explain this all to him coherently or not make it sound like just anxiety or something.
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> Some supplements helped at first (theanine, Nicotine, magnesium ..) which is how I've kept going .. but it's not getting any better. I even tried buprenorphine very briefly, but was too nauseous to persist. I have a script for Requip, which my old GP was pushing on me, but I'm scared it might not be a sustainable solution, or whether it might make things worse in the long-run (receptor downregulation etc.)? He didn't seem to have any idea, and had never used it to treat akathisia, which didn't really make me feel at ease.
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> Anyway, I guess I just wanted to rant. And I hate to do this, but I saw poser98 add a disclaimer to phiddipus about not replying to his stuff once .. if all you want to add is how what I'm experiencing is anxiety, or need an SSRI, or that med sensitivities don't exist .. then please don't, that stuff just triggers me and makes me feel worse.
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ggg unit,
You wrote,[...if all you want to add...].
What you are experiencing can be a drug-induced state as being the fruits of psychiatry that advocates the taking of mind-altering drugs. These drugs are chemicals combined in different formulations and such but the chemicals can be {nerve-agents}used in insecticides and in the commission of mass-murder. A fruit of the chemicals is death. Before death, there is the attack on the nerves where theses drugs can be called {neuroleptic} drugs, as in {nerve-grabbing}.
The life-ruining condition that you describe precedes death from these chemicals. What I have come here for is to lead people like you out of the condition that you are in, and be restored in a whole new life, a new creature, and have a new mind and spirit not like the old one that you have now. This transformation is prohibited by Mr. Hsiung to me to post here as there are numerous prohibitions to me posted to me here by Mr Hsiung.
What I would need to post here involves the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me which is part of the prohibitions to me here by Mr. Hsiung. The site does allow the foundation of many Christiandom sects, but prohibits the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me. This loads the site to have readers steered in a particular direction, while being against the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me which prevents me from posting here how you could overcome the terrible condition that you describe that you are in now. When I came here, I didn't know the site was loaded, and I'm so sorry , my friend.
Lou
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 11, 2014, at 5:44:00
In reply to Lou's response-ahnieghgturghun » g_g_g_unit, posted by Lou Pilder on July 21, 2014, at 0:34:22
Lou,
trying to follow this path that you describe has led to the most miserable time in my life. I ended up in a "one flew over the cuckoos" type Hospital and wondered how to ever get better in there let alone find a way out. I truly wanted to die. This place is a crime rather than a hospital.
I was completely out of it.
That is probably is why you are not being permitted to post this here. I never want to experience this again. While i do want to be on a dose of Seroquel as low as possible (whatever this turns out to be), i don't think the agenda you push against meds here is completely accurate.
I also don't want to miss out on new treatments for depression/negative schizophrenia symptoms like Glyx-13, NRX-1074 and (hopefully), soon, Anandamide based treatments.
It could be life changing (for the better). And if i can't seem to do a reduction in Seroquel after several attempts, then there must be something like an underlying problem, that just demands the Seroquel.
If you could be more neutral, you could better help people. Current antipsychotics aren't great. You could educate people. But please try to be more reasonable and get the facts straight.
You are being treated like a piece of sh*t if you don't take your meds, which could also contribute greatly toward a relapse. But we don't know that. Or is there a study about it?
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 11, 2014, at 5:46:18
In reply to Re: Lou's response-ahnieghgturghun, posted by Lamdage22 on August 11, 2014, at 5:44:00
Dumb question, there is no study about it, nor will there ever be.
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 11, 2014, at 5:49:32
In reply to Lou's response-ahnieghgturghun » g_g_g_unit, posted by Lou Pilder on July 21, 2014, at 0:34:22
How should this be studied?
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 11, 2014, at 10:59:50
In reply to Re: Lou's response-ahnieghgturghun, posted by Lamdage22 on August 11, 2014, at 5:44:00
> You are being treated like a piece of sh*t if you don't take your meds, which could also contribute greatly toward a relapse. But we don't know that. Or is there a study about it?
And maybe you act like a piece of sh*t, too, in psychosis.
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 11, 2014, at 18:54:29
In reply to Re: Lou's response-ahnieghgturghun, posted by Lamdage22 on August 11, 2014, at 5:44:00
> Lou,
>
> trying to follow this path that you describe has led to the most miserable time in my life. I ended up in a "one flew over the cuckoos" type Hospital and wondered how to ever get better in there let alone find a way out. I truly wanted to die. This place is a crime rather than a hospital.
>
> I was completely out of it.
>
> That is probably is why you are not being permitted to post this here. I never want to experience this again. While i do want to be on a dose of Seroquel as low as possible (whatever this turns out to be), i don't think the agenda you push against meds here is completely accurate.
>
> I also don't want to miss out on new treatments for depression/negative schizophrenia symptoms like Glyx-13, NRX-1074 and (hopefully), soon, Anandamide based treatments.
>
> It could be life changing (for the better). And if i can't seem to do a reduction in Seroquel after several attempts, then there must be something like an underlying problem, that just demands the Seroquel.
>
> If you could be more neutral, you could better help people. Current antipsychotics aren't great. You could educate people. But please try to be more reasonable and get the facts straight.
>
> You are being treated like a piece of sh*t if you don't take your meds, which could also contribute greatly toward a relapse. But we don't know that. Or is there a study about it?
>
> Lamdage22,
You wrote,[...Trying to follow this path that you describe has led to the most miserable time of my life...]
My post was a response to another poster that was suffering from the effects of psychotropic drugs. My post mentioned that I do have a way out but I am prohibited from posting that here due o the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr. Hsiung. One of those prohibitions prevents me from posting the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me, which I need to do in order for me to post the way out here.
Since I d not post about the way out, I am unsure as to why you posted that about {trying to follow this path}. What is the path and were you trying to follow it?
PS I did not post to the poster to stop the drugs. That could be even worse. But I do know as revealed to me a way out which I am prevented from posting here.
Lou
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Posted by Lamdage22 on August 12, 2014, at 6:04:17
In reply to Lou's reply-phrecptvs » Lamdage22, posted by Lou Pilder on August 11, 2014, at 18:54:29
Well i tried to go without Meds abruptly.
Never mind, it is forgotten.You meant no harm.
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 12, 2014, at 6:07:36
In reply to Lou's reply-phrecptvs » Lamdage22, posted by Lou Pilder on August 11, 2014, at 18:54:29
You can't post about Judaism in the Faith forum?
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 12, 2014, at 6:53:13
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-phrecptvs, posted by Lamdage22 on August 12, 2014, at 6:07:36
> You can't post about Judaism in the Faith forum?
>
Lamdage22,
You wrote,[...You can't post about Judaism in the Faith forum?...].
Mr. Hsiung has posted a prohibition to me that prevents me from posting the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me. By that prohibition I am prevented from posting my own repudiation to statements allowed to be seen here as civil where they are originally posted that could lead one to feel that their faith in Judaism is being put down.
A subset of readers could think that the prohibition is against Judaism, which is a definition of what anti-Semitism is. Then those readers could think that since Mr. Hsiung has that policy then this site is an anti-Semitic site just as if a country had a policy that was against Judaism it could be deemed an anti-Semitic country.
But it is much more than that. For Mr. Hsiung wants readers to think that what he does here in his thinking will be good for this community as a whole. That type of thinking is nothing new, but an old way of thinking that goes back thousands of years to justify infanticide, slavery segregation, discrimination and genocide. There are other prohibitions to me here from Mr. Hsiung that prevent me from saving lives here and preventing life-ruining conditions and addictions. So I do not think that Mr. Hsiung's thinking will be good for this community as a whole for the community is denied from me to know the what I know that I think could save your life and lead you out of the darkness of depression into a new life of light and peace.
Lou
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 13, 2014, at 5:48:23
In reply to Lou's reply-guzdhafei » Lamdage22, posted by Lou Pilder on August 12, 2014, at 6:53:13
Lou,
i can't say anything about the semitic topic and i wouldn't say that Dr Bob is anti-semitic. Maybe he just doesn't want anyone to relapse and thats all that there is and he knows you will influence people to not take their meds. But i can tell you that not only Dr Bob prevents people from reducing/stopping meds.
Its a whole society.
So you can't really do anything about it.
I find myself defenseless. I will reduce in super snail speed to the lowest possible dose over the course of the next 3 to 4 years. That is my plan and it is acceptable to society.Currently 800mg Seroquel and 7.5 Zyprexa :/
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 13, 2014, at 6:13:05
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-guzdhafei, posted by Lamdage22 on August 13, 2014, at 5:48:23
> Lou,
>
> i can't say anything about the semitic topic and i wouldn't say that Dr Bob is anti-semitic. Maybe he just doesn't want anyone to relapse and thats all that there is and he knows you will influence people to not take their meds. But i can tell you that not only Dr Bob prevents people from reducing/stopping meds.
>
> Its a whole society.
>
> So you can't really do anything about it.
> I find myself defenseless. I will reduce in super snail speed to the lowest possible dose over the course of the next 3 to 4 years. That is my plan and it is acceptable to society.
>
> Currently 800mg Seroquel and 7.5 Zyprexa :/Lamdage22,
You wrote,[ I wouldn't say that Dr. Bob is anti-semitic...].
How could you determine if someone is anti-Semitic?
Lou
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 14, 2014, at 14:57:29
In reply to Lou's reply-howlkanew? » Lamdage22, posted by Lou Pilder on August 13, 2014, at 6:13:05
Mel Gibson?
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 14, 2014, at 20:09:37
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-howlkanew?, posted by Lamdage22 on August 14, 2014, at 14:57:29
> Mel Gibson?
>
> L,
I have prepared an outline of the generally accepted criteria used to determine antisemtism.
Lou
To see this, go to the search box at the bottom of this page and type in:
[ admin, 844756 ]
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 15, 2014, at 3:31:14
In reply to Lou's reply-844756, posted by Lou Pilder on August 14, 2014, at 20:09:37
Lou,
i am not getting in the middle of you and Dr Bob anyway.
It is his website and a line of support for me.
Posted by pontormo on August 16, 2014, at 12:34:55
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-844756, posted by Lamdage22 on August 15, 2014, at 3:31:14
I do think that Lou's arguments always rest on this formulation:
"A subset of readers could think ..."
This is an interesting way of formulating an argument, which would, I think, allow for many counter-factual propositions. That is, it's possibly not counterfactual that some group of people COULD think something..." -- what's counterfactual is that any group of people DO think it; or that any group of people would be LIKELY or RATIONAL to think it.
For there are always small groups of people who are prone to think quite odd and irrational, or unsubstantiated and very improbable things-- and Lou's formulation -- if we respond to it as written--would force us to agree that many quite strange things, again, COULD be thought-- by this-- posited, but quite possiby non-existent, "subset" of people.
But have we therefore agreed that whatever the subset could think is based in fact? or even well-reasoned? no-- not at all.
So, in a sense, Lou wins most arguments before they even get off the ground, because he creates such a low threshold for the opposition to have to agree with what he claims.
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 17, 2014, at 14:22:36
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-844756, posted by pontormo on August 16, 2014, at 12:34:55
> I do think that Lou's arguments always rest on this formulation:
>
> "A subset of readers could think ..."
>
> This is an interesting way of formulating an argument, which would, I think, allow for many counter-factual propositions. That is, it's possibly not counterfactual that some group of people COULD think something..." -- what's counterfactual is that any group of people DO think it; or that any group of people would be LIKELY or RATIONAL to think it.
>
> For there are always small groups of people who are prone to think quite odd and irrational, or unsubstantiated and very improbable things-- and Lou's formulation -- if we respond to it as written--would force us to agree that many quite strange things, again, COULD be thought-- by this-- posited, but quite possiby non-existent, "subset" of people.
>
> But have we therefore agreed that whatever the subset could think is based in fact? or even well-reasoned? no-- not at all.
>
> So, in a sense, Lou wins most arguments before they even get off the ground, because he creates such a low threshold for the opposition to have to agree with what he claims.
>
> pontormo,
You wrote,[...this formulation: 'A subset of readers could think"...].
What I am trying to do here is to save lives, prevent life-ruining conditions and addictions and to stop Mr. Hsiung from allowing anti-Semitic statements and defamation toward me to stand to be seen as civil, supportive and will be good for this community as a whole according to his thinking by him and his deputies of record.
When I use {a subset of readers}, I am trying to educate readers here in order so that readers could have their lives saved. This is because Mr. Hsiung uses in his TOS here that he is doing in his thinking what will be good for this community as a whole, and more than that, to trust him at that.
But what is the {whole}? Can you tell me? You see, the whole is equal to the sum of its parts. These are the subsets of people that make up the whole. Jefferson realized that the subsets of people have to have equal protection of the laws for the whole to be good. As a result, outgrowths of the 14th amendment came to free the slaves, to end segregation, to end discrimination as his vision of being good for the country as a whole encompassed what he called the rights of man. He saw way ahead the horrors that could arise from a community practicing selective enforcement of the laws. His vision was adopted by other countries in their constitutions. Then along came European fascism. For 24 years, European fascism was spread by two ideologies. One was that there was the claim made that what the fascists were doing will be good for the country as a whole. The other involved that the claim could not be substantiated for it was to be in the future. So the second was that people were to trust whoever was promulgating that it will be good for the country as a whole.
The historical record shows what happened to those countries and their people and that over one hundred million people were killed during that time and those thinking that it would be good for the country as a whole, trusted the wrong people. Those leaders that were captured when their people stopped trusting them, were executed or killed by their own citizens or they committed suicide and some escaped justice. But the world learned then what could happen when equal protection of the law is not granted to all of the citizens. For if the whole is equal to the sum of its parts, and could not that one part be suffering, that then the whole also suffers?
I have come to free the captives of hate. To turn depression into gladness and to come out of the darkness into a marvelous light. I may not be able to do that here due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr. Hsiung, but that light can not be stopped from penetrating at least some readers here, so that they can see through the wall of partition set up by Mr. Hsiung to me that prevents me from posting from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me here.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 19, 2014, at 8:32:51
In reply to Lou's reply-sigma » pontormo, posted by Lou Pilder on August 17, 2014, at 14:22:36
> > I do think that Lou's arguments always rest on this formulation:
> >
> > "A subset of readers could think ..."
> >
> > This is an interesting way of formulating an argument, which would, I think, allow for many counter-factual propositions. That is, it's possibly not counterfactual that some group of people COULD think something..." -- what's counterfactual is that any group of people DO think it; or that any group of people would be LIKELY or RATIONAL to think it.
> >
> > For there are always small groups of people who are prone to think quite odd and irrational, or unsubstantiated and very improbable things-- and Lou's formulation -- if we respond to it as written--would force us to agree that many quite strange things, again, COULD be thought-- by this-- posited, but quite possiby non-existent, "subset" of people.
> >
> > But have we therefore agreed that whatever the subset could think is based in fact? or even well-reasoned? no-- not at all.
> >
> > So, in a sense, Lou wins most arguments before they even get off the ground, because he creates such a low threshold for the opposition to have to agree with what he claims.
> >
> > pontormo,
> You wrote,[...this formulation: 'A subset of readers could think"...].
> What I am trying to do here is to save lives, prevent life-ruining conditions and addictions and to stop Mr. Hsiung from allowing anti-Semitic statements and defamation toward me to stand to be seen as civil, supportive and will be good for this community as a whole according to his thinking by him and his deputies of record.
> When I use {a subset of readers}, I am trying to educate readers here in order so that readers could have their lives saved. This is because Mr. Hsiung uses in his TOS here that he is doing in his thinking what will be good for this community as a whole, and more than that, to trust him at that.
> But what is the {whole}? Can you tell me? You see, the whole is equal to the sum of its parts. These are the subsets of people that make up the whole. Jefferson realized that the subsets of people have to have equal protection of the laws for the whole to be good. As a result, outgrowths of the 14th amendment came to free the slaves, to end segregation, to end discrimination as his vision of being good for the country as a whole encompassed what he called the rights of man. He saw way ahead the horrors that could arise from a community practicing selective enforcement of the laws. His vision was adopted by other countries in their constitutions. Then along came European fascism. For 24 years, European fascism was spread by two ideologies. One was that there was the claim made that what the fascists were doing will be good for the country as a whole. The other involved that the claim could not be substantiated for it was to be in the future. So the second was that people were to trust whoever was promulgating that it will be good for the country as a whole.
> The historical record shows what happened to those countries and their people and that over one hundred million people were killed during that time and those thinking that it would be good for the country as a whole, trusted the wrong people. Those leaders that were captured when their people stopped trusting them, were executed or killed by their own citizens or they committed suicide and some escaped justice. But the world learned then what could happen when equal protection of the law is not granted to all of the citizens. For if the whole is equal to the sum of its parts, and could not that one part be suffering, that then the whole also suffers?
> I have come to free the captives of hate. To turn depression into gladness and to come out of the darkness into a marvelous light. I may not be able to do that here due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr. Hsiung, but that light can not be stopped from penetrating at least some readers here, so that they can see through the wall of partition set up by Mr. Hsiung to me that prevents me from posting from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me here.
> Lou
>
> Friends,
We are now in an area that could lift you out of the darkness of depression and into a marvelous light. For a great awakening could occur here. This is because many of you are caught in the troubled sea, tossed to and froe, fighting for your life, looking for a way out, crying out, "What must I do to be saved"
Trust me, for I know a way out. A way out of the troubled sea to stand on a sea of glass. A way out of the darkness to be saved by The Sun of righteousness with healing in his wings.
Now there is a morning star here. You could know the truth and the truth will make you free.
The masterminds of fascism, seem like yesterday. The glory that could be, is from another day. And I havn't forgotten that Jefferson penned a start. He penned (with a little help from his friends) in the opening of the declaration of independence,"We hold these truths self-evident, that all men are created equal..."
That opening statement brings forth what I could write here that could unshackle those in the captivity of depression. But be it as it may be, some history could help us to have a better understanding here. For those ignorant of history, it has been said, could repeat the errors that the historical record reveals.
Lou
Here is a mastermind of European fascism, that I will post more about. To see this video pull up Google and type in:
[ youtube, CfS8AulsYRk ]
The video comes up first
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Posted by 10derheart on August 19, 2014, at 11:51:51
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-844756, posted by pontormo on August 16, 2014, at 12:34:55
Precisely.
Thank you for this appropriate and accurate description.
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 19, 2014, at 14:27:22
In reply to Lou's reply-mazdermyn, posted by Lou Pilder on August 19, 2014, at 8:32:51
I am sorry, i don't see a beginning of this discussion, nor an end.
My concentration does not allow me to figure out what exactly is going on.
This is the end of the thread.
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