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Posted by Christ_empowered on December 27, 2013, at 18:48:04
...by stigma? Probably more common that one might think.
I can't get a job around here, because I was crazy and because HIPPAA violations ruined my reputation in a small, southern town (FYI: only take a shrink to the medical board if you're prepared to suffer).
I don't doubt that meds help some people, some of the time. They certainly help me stay lucid and stay out of a mental hospital, which is about all one can really ask for.
But you don't need psychiatrists for meds. Psychiatrists seem to exist to keep people in line. They deal in what Szasz calls "cruel compassion." They keep people in (again, stealing from Szasz) "psychiatric slavery."
So, I'm stuck. I have my respectable people behind me. That makes a lot of people around here angry. Part of "psychiatric slavery" is that you're either: a) dead eyed and working a low-wage job, living in poverty and drugged on high doses of Haldol (preferably by injection), or you're b) in a mental hospital. Those are your options.
I'm apparently "uppity" simply because I live decently.
Just thinking out loud. I used to think my problem was with psych meds, but that's not it. Some people benefit, at least for a while, and that's great. Its ***psychiatry***, the dogmatic belief system masquerading as medicine, that really, really bothers me.
Posted by baseball55 on December 27, 2013, at 21:19:49
In reply to crippled, not by illness, but..., posted by Christ_empowered on December 27, 2013, at 18:48:04
I understand that you had a horrific experience with psychiatrists. I, on the other hand, have never had anything but kind, compassionate and empathic experiences. And I've been hospitalized several times. I only had one doctor I disliked and that was because he was inexperienced and awkward, not because he was malicious or unkind.
when Szaze wrote, he was writng about a time when psychiatrists were working mostly in state institutions, doing ECT before paralytic agents came into use, doing lobotomies, etc. Therapy consisted of these weird Freudian theories about Oedipal syndromes,lying on a couch and free-associating. Even schizophrenia was blamed on bad parenting.Psychiatry has a lot to answer for. But so do other medical specialities - think the Tuskagee experiment.
Psychiatry has come a long way since then. And even then, it wasn't all bad. I was in a state hospital for nearly two years when I was a young teen, and the psychiatrists and counsellors helped me a lot -- were kind and appreciative and gently pulled me out of total isolation and psychosis.
I'm sorry you had this terrible experience. But to condemn psychiatry wholesale seems unfair.
My experience is that this is a relatively low-paid and low-status specialty in medicine and most who choose it do so because they are natural care-takers who are willing to sacrifice money and prestige for the experience of really helping troubled people to change and grow.
Posted by Phillipa on December 27, 2013, at 22:12:55
In reply to Re: crippled, not by illness, but..., posted by baseball55 on December 27, 2013, at 21:19:49
Yes to caring, have also seen some really not nice professionals that had their own problems. Sometimes if one stays on the same med regime for a length of time they just achieve normalacy and no one treats them any different than others. Had a lady earning 6 figures no one knew schizophrenic she worked in the local hospital for an outside agency. When her Father suddenly got Parkinson's and went downhill really fast she went off her meds as he was the only one she would take them for he was deceased very rapidly. She decompensated, lost her job and her home and now is in a different state as she went psychotic no one in her family would help has been in jail and just heard back in a psych hospital. She lost everything from going off her meds. Sad. Phillipa
Posted by Lamdage22 on December 28, 2013, at 6:11:00
In reply to crippled, not by illness, but..., posted by Christ_empowered on December 27, 2013, at 18:48:04
I agree with you. Yesterday i had suicidal thoughts real bad and that nurse just judged me from head to toe. Real bitch.
Zero compassion. Here in Germany we still have widespread "no-pity" attitude. It sounds like nazi-attitude, but people dont mind to talk this sh*t.
No self pity. I should just live a normal life despite my suicide thoughts. I should work. Bla bla bla. I would like to crack some peoples head in. But that would be evil. I hate the system im in.
They condemn suicide. But suicide is a personal freedom which they take away from you by anouncing that you are mentally ill.
It makes me hate people. The people i have gotten to know through psychiatry are part of the reason why i dont want to live on this planet.
> ...by stigma? Probably more common that one might think.
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> I can't get a job around here, because I was crazy and because HIPPAA violations ruined my reputation in a small, southern town (FYI: only take a shrink to the medical board if you're prepared to suffer).
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> I don't doubt that meds help some people, some of the time. They certainly help me stay lucid and stay out of a mental hospital, which is about all one can really ask for.
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> But you don't need psychiatrists for meds. Psychiatrists seem to exist to keep people in line. They deal in what Szasz calls "cruel compassion." They keep people in (again, stealing from Szasz) "psychiatric slavery."
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> So, I'm stuck. I have my respectable people behind me. That makes a lot of people around here angry. Part of "psychiatric slavery" is that you're either: a) dead eyed and working a low-wage job, living in poverty and drugged on high doses of Haldol (preferably by injection), or you're b) in a mental hospital. Those are your options.
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> I'm apparently "uppity" simply because I live decently.
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> Just thinking out loud. I used to think my problem was with psych meds, but that's not it. Some people benefit, at least for a while, and that's great. Its ***psychiatry***, the dogmatic belief system masquerading as medicine, that really, really bothers me.
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Posted by Lamdage22 on December 28, 2013, at 8:40:05
In reply to crippled, not by illness, but..., posted by Christ_empowered on December 27, 2013, at 18:48:04
Christ.. what is it that you are suffering from?
Schizo-affective?
I agree about the meds. What works is the meds against psychosis.. antidepressants.. eh.
I have a wish to leave this state of existence that is stronger than any med
No idea where im headed to.
Posted by Chris O on January 9, 2014, at 19:13:46
In reply to crippled, not by illness, but..., posted by Christ_empowered on December 27, 2013, at 18:48:04
My god, I couldn't have said it better myself. I have no interest in my psychiatrists' or therapists' own egos and careers, I only go there to get well. Psychiatry and psychology: Make me well so I can work, own property, have functional relationships, not feel guilty all the time, and enjoy my dang life already! If I could do it myself, I wouldn't be here giving you money!
I remember the one time I used public health for my severe GAD/depression in 2000. (I live in so Cal.) First, there was the bill: It was $700 for one trip to see a psychiatrist and therapist.
The therapist empathized with my mother when I tried to explain what I perceive to be the origin of my crippling condition. The psychiatrist told me I couldn't pick and choose which drugs I wanted to take, even if I had experience with them before. Basically the message was (in my eyes): You do what we tell you, and if you are well enough to question that, then you can't be here. Nice. Never went back after that. (Got the bill reduced to something like $300, but could have seen a p-doc without insurance for that fee.)Anyway, I totally feel you with that "uppity" comment. It is like we have to be homeless, or virtually homeless, or in a mental hospital, to get any kind of treatment. And then if we dare to question the "experts" opinions on this treatment, we get rejected and shamed and outcast. Kind of like reliving the old wounds I experienced growing up with my mom again. Thanks, psychiatry.
Chris
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