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Posted by vanvog on May 24, 2013, at 22:40:56
Got a new pDoc who refused to prescribe me more than the official max dose of 60 mg/day even after after requesting my med records from the old pDoc. I have been on 120 mg/day of Parnate for almost 3 months doing ok, not great but symptom free. I tried to go down on 110 mg/day, after 3 days the depression and obsessive thoughts started coming back big time. Extreme dizziness! Fatigue like in the beginning of taking Parnate. So I'm back on 120 mg/day now, after a week I feel normal again, totally stable like before the experiment.
Who would have thought that on such a high dose 10 mg would make this big of a difference!?
My stash which I was hoarding for a very high dose trial (up to 180 mg/day) is almost gone now and I will start doctor shopping for more Parnate next week.
Posted by lillabella on May 25, 2013, at 10:47:46
In reply to What a difference 10 mg can make! [PARNATE], posted by vanvog on May 24, 2013, at 22:40:56
I have been following this board since the early 1990's and have definitely noted certain trends along the way.
I experienced my first bout of severe depression in 1980. My p-doc put me on Nardil and Halicon right away and with fantastic results. Too fantastic I'm afraid because I became very, very manic. The Halicon was a wonder med for sleeping as I was totally unable to sleep at all.
After 2 years I had to stop as my life was in ruins and I was not the same me. I went off the med cold turkey and it almost killed me. Swung into major depression and in my ignorance swore of all pyschoactive drugs. I had no idea that what I had experienced was mania. This was in an age when no one talked about mental illness and prozac had not even hit the market.
I suffered onward until the early 1990's with bouts of hypomania and lots of depression and anxiety. From this board which I discovered in 1993 I came to realize that I was bi-polar. A later diagnosis confirmed this and recently I have been given the diagnosis of ADD which didn't surprise me at all.
After trying every med available over the course of the last 20 years nothing, and I mean nothing worked until I went back to the MAOI's some 6 years ago and back to nardil. Yes it worded wonderfully and I was not as manic but a little hypomanic but the drug this time made me bloated with edemia plus 35 pound weight gain and lots of nodding off and sometimes blackouts. Discontinued that and went on to Parnate which worked like a miracle. Then after my doctor forced all kinds of other strong mood stabilizing drugs on me (all of which made me feel horrible) the parnate stopped working.
I don't think there is any grief in the mental illness world as bad as having the perfect med and knowing happiness and then having that happiness stolen from you. Because you remember the happiness and then you have this black depression and you hunger for the happiness but it is gone.
Anyway my point is that having studied this site for so many years I find it interesting that it is only in recent years that in particular Nardil and Parnate are showing up here more and more. And it is still puzzling why so many doctors are so afraid to prescribe it cause in my mind they are the only two magic bullets out there.
One question: if a med stops working is it ever, ever possible to get it working again???
Second question: I live in Canada and want to know if anyone else who does knows if it is possible to order nardil from a reputatable site?
Lastly if I go on Nardil again will I get as fat as I did several years ago? When I first took it way back in 1980 I actually lost weight. But I know the formula has changed.
Finally will any doctor prescribe nardil with a low dose stim? I have read of others who managed to get this combo from their doc but mine won't allow it.
Thanks and looking forward to some feedback any is appreciated as going through a dark time right now...........peace and love..........lillabella
Posted by g_g_g_unit on May 25, 2013, at 11:02:00
In reply to What a difference 10 mg can make! [PARNATE], posted by vanvog on May 24, 2013, at 22:40:56
The maximum prescribed dose in Australia is actually 30mg. I convinced a psychiatrist to go up to 60mg last year, which is the minimum I need to improve my mood, but it agitated me and did little for anxiety.
I've found a psychiatrist who seems experienced in using higher doses of MAOIs. He's put me back on Parnate, starting at 40mg, and predictably it's making my mood/anxiety worse.
Did you find that exceeding 60mg improved your anxiety? I've heard that can paradoxically occur with Parnate.
Posted by Topdog on May 26, 2013, at 14:04:24
In reply to The Magic Bullet: MAOI Meds!, posted by lillabella on May 25, 2013, at 10:47:46
vanvog,
I loaded with Nardil for 4 years, i used 15mg rounds, 6 per day. It sure did blow my depression out to the blue, I sure did gain 20 kg, definitely i couldn't take a leak- god knows i used to stand 10 minutes in front of a toilet bowl praying for a drop, it was still too good to let go, until it was taken from me(like you) ..that being said ..if somebody handed me a box of Nardil, i would take it without thinking twice.
..sometimes i walked around my neighbourhood and was thinking....well, i'm really fuc** up.., it really did feel like MDMA sometimes. Mixing with alcohol was not a good idea..one morning i couldn't figure out why were my shoes in the hallway instead of my apartment..
I even remember writing poems about the Maoi-sGood luck!
Posted by jono_in_adelaide on May 26, 2013, at 23:14:37
In reply to Re: What a difference 10 mg can make! [PARNATE] » vanvog, posted by g_g_g_unit on May 25, 2013, at 11:02:00
If anxiety is a big part of your problem GGG, i think that Nardil would be a more logical choice than Parnate, because it has some anxiolytic effects that other MAOI's lack (blocks the breakdown of GABA, thereby increasing levels in the brain)
Posted by Jeroen on May 27, 2013, at 13:42:17
In reply to The Magic Bullet: MAOI Meds!, posted by lillabella on May 25, 2013, at 10:47:46
seroquel 100 mg worked magically for me, then pooped out, never worked again, took it like 10 times after and i am still on it, it just doesnt work anymore
Posted by lillabella on May 27, 2013, at 14:31:23
In reply to to vanvog, posted by Jeroen on May 27, 2013, at 13:42:17
That is so sad. Does anyone anywhere have any idea why that happens?
Posted by Jeroen on May 27, 2013, at 15:02:32
In reply to What causes meds to suddenly stop working?? » Jeroen, posted by lillabella on May 27, 2013, at 14:31:23
nobody knows, not even my old psychiatrist, i asked him several times
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