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Posted by Zyprexa on May 10, 2013, at 20:25:41
Well a few days ago I lost track of weather I took my zyprexa. And didn't realize I haden't taken it untill the next day. Yes I woke up at the crack of dawn. Or about 3 hours after I went to sleep. Probably the only reason I slept at all was the alcohol. So I took z a few hours after waking. later it put me to sleep. And that night I missed one of my doses of perphenazine (I take 2 a day). Anyways I missed that 4 am dose of P 3 nights in a row. Not sure why I was sleeping so much those 3 days. Especialy with out P. So I noticed one morning that I had missed all these doses and took my normal morning dose and and extra one. When I was driving to work I suddenly had this sensation that I didn't know what I was doing. Very scary. It was like I didn't know where I was going for a few seconds. The same thing happened last year when I was on a greatly reduced dose of P, just to please my Pdoc, so she would know it was working. Back then I had the same sensation at work where I couldn't think of what I was supposed to do. I was standing there freeking out wondering what I was supposed to do. After a few minutes I started to realize that I was supposed to pick up the pizza and put it in the bag. How simple is that? Anouther time 12 years ago I was off the zyprexa and not on P back then. At a gas station delivering donuts and I knew what I was supposed to do, which was stare at the cealing . But I realy didn't know I was supposed to put the donuts in the bin. Did this for about a half hour. Before the people at the convinience store called my boss. Last night I realized what was happening at work yesterday was the same thing that I was doing back in 97 before my hospital stay and any meds. It was that I didn't realy think, I couldn't think. Sort of didn't know what to do thing. I was in college back then. I would stand infront of the school door and just stand there like I was frozen in time. Not really sure of what to do. There was a lot of this back then in college my second semester. I was scared to go to the deli and buy roast beef. Feeling like I couldn't think or know what I was to do. Anyways the college tried to work with me and eventualy called my parents to come get me. Dad took me to Pdoc in Delaware. Who said I was thinking very fast and wrote script for Z. Unfortunatly I had to go back to Canada right after this, where they didn't have Z back then. So I was put on risperdal, which for some reason I didn't like taking and would hid them. This ended me up in the mental hospital. Because I was out in the shed frozen just standing there and my dad came out and saw me. I didn't respond to him, I was thinking and at the time I was thinking I don't know what to do. So I just fell over and froze as hard as a board on the ground in the snow. They sent an ambulance which took me to hospital. Which I stayed at for 3 months. yes I took meds not sure what but the only thing I remember about the stay was being locked up in a room having crazy dreams 24 7. They say I was catatonic and dilucional. I was dreaming of my friends. But it was so weird in the dreams. It was not normal reality in the dreams. All I wanted to do was get out of these dreams. And back to normal. I'm not sure because I don't remember this but I think they gave me ECT that time in hospital. Anyways they eventualy let me out and I was happy and normal again. But guess what I didn't think I needed my meds anymore. So I didn't take them and went the a different mental hospital. Each hospital stay felt like prison. Plus it was a locked ward. So 3 more months. This stay I remeber getting the ECTs. My brain was mosh. I remember more about this stay. But they let me out after 3 months and people say I was not normal after that stay. Anyways I moved to the US again and was doing horrible on the risperdal for 2 weeks. Then I finaly got zyprexa and I started living life again just like that. Hard to belive.
Anyways I just wanted to say what its like when you can't think, because you are off meds. Atleast for me.
What I don't understand is why just the z didn't stop these thoughts of can't think, when I was forgetting to take my P? Could it be that the generic is not as good or that my mental state is not as good now . Cause I took just zyprexa for so many years by itself and never had problems. Wasn't untill after my Abilify trials that my meds didn't work and its been that way not for a long time 6 years now. That I need the P also. Also Z does not make me eat like it used to at the same dose. Why do I also need P now. the origional plan was to switch off z and onto P. But that never happened I ended up with both. Is it posible the z is fake? Or weaker now. Whats going on??
Posted by Phillipa on May 10, 2013, at 20:54:50
In reply to Unable to think straight., posted by Zyprexa on May 10, 2013, at 20:25:41
If you forgot your meds for a few days give them time to build back up in your body. Did you call your pdoc? Phillipa
Posted by Zyprexa on May 11, 2013, at 6:23:46
In reply to Re: Unable to think straight. » Zyprexa, posted by Phillipa on May 10, 2013, at 20:54:50
Ya, thats what I'm going to do. No point in calling Pdoc. She will just say take your meds.
Posted by sleepygirl2 on May 11, 2013, at 22:49:01
In reply to Unable to think straight., posted by Zyprexa on May 10, 2013, at 20:25:41
I dunno. It sounds like thought blocking and catatonia?
Who knows why the absence of the p affects you now, could be some combination of things, like taking z late one day, not sleeping much one day, the backlash that comes from the absence of a med your body is used to, alcohol.It's unlikely that the zyprexa is fake.
Do you want to stay on both?
Posted by rjlockhart37 on May 11, 2013, at 23:35:06
In reply to Unable to think straight., posted by Zyprexa on May 10, 2013, at 20:25:41
There's a couple things that I think could be causeing this, one electirical activity is fluctuated from Zyprexa or the nuerontransmitters are changing without the zyprexa. When I don't take zyperxa, I get irrtible and think incredibly fast....and then when it doesn't take effect like I've been saying, these symptoms appear. But if the Z is causing this while your on it, its an AP, it changes the way thinking happens in the brain....its difficult to retain information when the mind is altered by an antipsychotic....but still if you've been taking it for a long time....it could have adjusted to it. Dopamine and NE all the nuerotranmitters that are envolved with thinking....are altered, but still I wish you could get a scan, PET scan would really be good.Is it anxiety when you feel this episodes where you can't think straight, is like a stinging feeling when its happening? confusion?
r
Posted by jono_in_adelaide on May 12, 2013, at 17:43:26
In reply to Unable to think straight., posted by Zyprexa on May 10, 2013, at 20:25:41
Do you have a pill otgainiser, so you can easily see if you've missed a dose of your meds?
Posted by Zyprexa on May 13, 2013, at 1:32:18
In reply to Re: Unable to think straight. » Zyprexa, posted by sleepygirl2 on May 11, 2013, at 22:49:01
I deffinitly want to stay on both. Couldn't live without them.
What exactly is thought blocking??
Posted by Zyprexa on May 13, 2013, at 1:41:10
In reply to Re: Unable to think straight., posted by rjlockhart37 on May 11, 2013, at 23:35:06
Well I don't feel anxious when I can't think. Untill I start to realize I can't think. Then I get worried about what I'm supposed to be doing. No pain or stinging. Maybe its just the result from PTSD, I don't know. Maybe I'm expectiong something to happen. I realy don't know what its all about. But I do know it was one of the first symptoms I had before I first got diagnosed. I don't think its confusion. Sort of like a blank absense in time. Why do I need a scan?
Posted by Zyprexa on May 13, 2013, at 1:44:14
In reply to Re: Unable to think straight., posted by jono_in_adelaide on May 12, 2013, at 17:43:26
Yes, I organise all pills in 3 weekly pill organizers. The problem is I don't have them at work. So I put a nightly dose in my car. Thats how I realized I had missed the dose, I went out to the car to see if one of the 2 containers was used and it wasn't.
Posted by rjlockhart37 on May 13, 2013, at 17:34:35
In reply to Re: Unable to think straight. » rjlockhart37, posted by Zyprexa on May 13, 2013, at 1:41:10
I scan may help, a PET scan, but some of these issues scans are primitive, and they offer no mirco imaging to close ups of fluctuations. It's just like a X-ray with some advanced imaging.
the reason im saying is because ive had lost track of thoughts...and then I went into confusion, like things didn't make sense, and then after that I had a panic attack from losing part of normal thinking.
The benzos really wouldn't help, but you may consider Aricept or Namanda for cognitive improvement, or of course Ritilin but that has some effects that could cause more bad stuff...
r
Posted by sleepygirl2 on May 13, 2013, at 19:24:36
In reply to Re: Unable to think straight. » sleepygirl2, posted by Zyprexa on May 13, 2013, at 1:32:18
Posted by Zyprexa on May 14, 2013, at 19:25:50
In reply to Re: Unable to think straight., posted by rjlockhart37 on May 13, 2013, at 17:34:35
RJ, they gave me all those scans several years ago. Not sure what they determined, but I think it was just that I'm mentaly unwell. And that there is nothing else wrong with me.
The thing is, I only get these thought blocks when I'm off my meds. So they must be working. When I take them.
Posted by rjlockhart37 on May 14, 2013, at 23:04:19
In reply to Re: Unable to think straight., posted by Zyprexa on May 14, 2013, at 19:25:50
mmm if it happen both on medication and off medication......I don't know if there's anything else medication wise that could do something, expept Aricept, Namanda, and Ritilin but all those could cause more problems and side effects.
Could you learn how to prevent it again, like self learned way to adjust the thoughts, ... when it happens then try to reverse the thoughts to what they where. I was on Z and Geodon, it blocked my thoughts so .... i learned how i would think when i was on both of them. That may help....but still im not a psych guru, just rj...lol
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