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Posted by ChicagoKat on January 23, 2013, at 18:15:17
In reply to Re: Without my Ritalin I feel like dying, posted by poser938 on January 23, 2013, at 17:44:12
> Eating chocolate is an idea. If you like chocolate. You have an artificially inducef low dopamine situation and chocolate is great for this.
No chocolate in the house, or I'd have tried it. I did realize my dopamine was low though, so I smoked a couple of cigarettes. Now *there's* a healthy solution. I had given them up and boy did I get a buzz, but no real help with my severe depression. Broke down and took a Ritalin. Talk about physical dependence. It did occur to me though that next time I should taper down my dose to avoid the plunge over the cliff. Thanks for the advice.
Kat
Posted by ChicagoKat on January 23, 2013, at 18:17:32
In reply to Re: Without my Ritalin I feel like dying » ChicagoKat, posted by Phil on January 23, 2013, at 17:56:53
> You've been at this as long as I have. I was thinking another stimulant. I dunno.
Good advice, but when it really comes down to it, there are amphetamines and there is Ritalin in all its various forms. For some reason amphetamines don't do much for me at all. Weird. But thanks for the advice.
Kat
Posted by ChicagoKat on January 23, 2013, at 18:18:29
In reply to Re: Without my Ritalin I feel like dying, posted by poser938 on January 23, 2013, at 18:02:26
> > Eating chocolate is an idea. If you like chocolate. You have an artificially inducef low dopamine situation and chocolate is great for this.
> The closest thing I have found to a prescription stimulant for me are the "mochas" at mcdonalds. Hot or cold. I tell them not to add whipped cream to it. A few sips of it and I feel awesome.You know poser, I'm gonna try that next time :) thanks for the tip.
Kat
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Posted by ChicagoKat on January 23, 2013, at 18:19:48
In reply to Re: Without my Ritalin I feel like dying » ChicagoKat, posted by Phil on January 23, 2013, at 18:03:58
> I agree with Philippa. Vyvanse is the best stim on the market and one of the few psych drugs that lives up to it's billing. 12-14 hours and so smooth you'll almost forget you're on it. Please talk to your doc about it.
Oh, I've been on it before. And it helped, but only marginally. As I've said, amphetamines just don't work for me like Ritalin does. But thanks :)
Kat
Posted by ChicagoKat on January 23, 2013, at 18:22:33
In reply to Without my Ritalin I feel like dying, posted by ChicagoKat on January 23, 2013, at 14:22:06
Update: I thank everyone for all their good advice. I broke down and took a Ritalin. Next holiday I will taper my dose down. I've never had a Holiday from Hell like this one. Might be it has something to do with the fact that my pdoc put me on Ritalin ER, rather than the immediate release form. I plan to talk to him about it on Monday. Thanks again, you guys rock :)
Kat
Posted by jono_in_adelaide on January 23, 2013, at 18:44:59
In reply to Re: Without my Ritalin I feel like dying, posted by poser938 on January 23, 2013, at 17:44:12
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amineptine
Kat, this drug is avaliable in Europe, and might well help you - you can legaly import it if you have a script from your doctor. it hits noradrenalin and dopamine
My gut feel is that it would be especialy usefull combined with an SSRI such as Zoloft of Lexapro.
Posted by poser938 on January 23, 2013, at 19:29:48
In reply to Re: Without my Ritalin I feel like dying » poser938, posted by ChicagoKat on January 23, 2013, at 18:18:29
> > > Eating chocolate is an idea. If you like chocolate. You have an artificially inducef low dopamine situation and chocolate is great for this.
> > The closest thing I have found to a prescription stimulant for me are the "mochas" at mcdonalds. Hot or cold. I tell them not to add whipped cream to it. A few sips of it and I feel awesome.
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> You know poser, I'm gonna try that next time :) thanks for the tip.
> KatCool, now I'm pretty sure its just called a mocha. Its basically like coffee with mocha added to it. It is already sweetened already. Strbucks or coffee made t home does taste better but there is something in the mocha. Lol the 1st time I got one I was thinking ... wow! I figured they would have to pull it off the market because its like speed.
But I'm in a situation where I'm very sensitive to foods and drinks I consume, I thin it related to a low dopamine situation I also have. But good luck!
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Posted by poser938 on January 23, 2013, at 19:31:28
In reply to Re: Without my Ritalin I - Amineptine, posted by jono_in_adelaide on January 23, 2013, at 18:44:59
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amineptine
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> Kat, this drug is avaliable in Europe, and might well help you - you can legaly import it if you have a script from your doctor. it hits noradrenalin and dopamine
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> My gut feel is that it would be especialy usefull combined with an SSRI such as Zoloft of Lexapro.I like this idea
Posted by baseball55 on January 23, 2013, at 19:34:25
In reply to Re: Without my Ritalin I feel like dying » poser938, posted by ChicagoKat on January 23, 2013, at 16:42:18
> Thanks poser, great advice. Unfortunately I have a busted knee. Maybe the diversion of finding an orthopedist to see ( I really need to get this knee replaced) will help. In the meantime, I can at least do some weights with my arms and my good leg. Thanks again,
> Kat
Sorry about your knee. Not being able to walk makes everything more difficult. But my husband just had knee replacement a few months ago and, boy, is it a brutal recovery. I had no idea how painful it would be and how long it would take.
Posted by baseball55 on January 23, 2013, at 19:38:43
In reply to Re: Without my Ritalin I feel like dying, posted by baseball55 on January 23, 2013, at 19:34:25
Kat - Remind me why you stopped the ritalin? Were you building tolerance? If so, can't you just increase the dose?
Posted by ChicagoKat on January 24, 2013, at 10:50:00
In reply to Re: Without my Ritalin I - Amineptine, posted by jono_in_adelaide on January 23, 2013, at 18:44:59
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amineptine
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> Kat, this drug is avaliable in Europe, and might well help you - you can legaly import it if you have a script from your doctor. it hits noradrenalin and dopamine
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> My gut feel is that it would be especialy usefull combined with an SSRI such as Zoloft of Lexapro.Thanks Jono, it looks really interesting. I will ask my pdoc about it on Monday.
Kat
Posted by ChicagoKat on January 24, 2013, at 10:52:17
In reply to Re: Without my Ritalin I feel like dying, posted by poser938 on January 23, 2013, at 19:29:48
You know poser, despite the fact that it is colder than the north pole here, I think I'm gonna run out and try one. I need something, and a combo of caffeine, sugar and chocolate may be the answer :)
Kat
Posted by ChicagoKat on January 24, 2013, at 10:54:10
In reply to Re: Without my Ritalin I feel like dying, posted by baseball55 on January 23, 2013, at 19:34:25
Now I am really scared!! I am really afraid that my knee will have to be replaced. I just made an appt. with an orthopaedist for next week. Maybe I'll cancel and just hop around on one foot for the rest of my life!
Kat
Posted by ChicagoKat on January 24, 2013, at 10:58:21
In reply to Re: Without my Ritalin I feel like dying, posted by baseball55 on January 23, 2013, at 19:38:43
> Kat - Remind me why you stopped the ritalin? Were you building tolerance? If so, can't you just increase the dose?
baseball - yes, I thought I was developing tolerance. Now I'm not so sure. I'm on Ritalin ER and am supposed to take a tab twice per day. So today I took one at 8:01, and a second at 8:02...an hour later I still feel like death. So I took a third. Still feel like death. I'm beginning to wonder if the Tegretol I was started on for my anxiety is actually making my depression worse, b/c this makes no sense whatsoever. I've *never* gone through anything like this with Ritalin before. As soon as I finish posting here I'm gonna research it.
Kat
Posted by europerep on January 24, 2013, at 13:41:56
In reply to Re: Without my Ritalin I - Amineptine » jono_in_adelaide, posted by ChicagoKat on January 24, 2013, at 10:50:00
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amineptine
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> > Kat, this drug is avaliable in Europe, and might well help you - you can legaly import it if you have a script from your doctor. it hits noradrenalin and dopamine
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> > My gut feel is that it would be especialy usefull combined with an SSRI such as Zoloft of Lexapro.
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> Thanks Jono, it looks really interesting. I will ask my pdoc about it on Monday.
> KatHey there...
I was just gonna jump in and save you the effort of trying to get your hands on amineptine. It has been discontinued in all of Europe quite a while ago already, and it is, as far as I know, no longer available anywhere in the world. There was a website that sold apparently genuine Survector (trade name of amineptine), but they closed some time ago too.
Sorry about that :(...
Posted by sigismund on January 24, 2013, at 13:58:43
In reply to Re: Without my Ritalin I - Amineptine, posted by poser938 on January 23, 2013, at 19:31:28
>Kat, this drug is avaliable in Europe
Is it? I thought it had been discontinued due to abuse potential ie it makes you feel reasonable.
Posted by jono_in_adelaide on January 24, 2013, at 17:23:51
In reply to Re: Without my Ritalin I - Amineptine, posted by sigismund on January 24, 2013, at 13:58:43
Kat, if you're willing to try the grey market (and if i was in your shoes, i would)
[xxx]
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Nothing is guaranteed, but it sounds like it would be well worth trying
Posted by baseball55 on January 24, 2013, at 19:11:28
In reply to Re: Without my Ritalin I feel like dying » baseball55, posted by ChicagoKat on January 24, 2013, at 10:54:10
> Now I am really scared!! I am really afraid that my knee will have to be replaced. I just made an appt. with an orthopaedist for next week. Maybe I'll cancel and just hop around on one foot for the rest of my life!
> KatNo, no! Don't do that! I gained a lot of weight from AAPs (which I have since lost) and had mildly artritic knees which became horribly painful with the excess weight. So I know how awful it can be. And to mot be able to comfortably go for a walk when you're depressed makes everything that much worse. But you do have to steel yourself mentally for a knee replacement. My husband, who is totally hyperactive, geared himself up for weeks of inactivity. We got all the premium cable channels and watched tons of TV. You just need to prepare yourself mentally, which is hard if you're fighting depression. But good luck. Keep us posted.
Posted by schleprock on January 24, 2013, at 20:51:07
In reply to Without my Ritalin I feel like dying, posted by ChicagoKat on January 23, 2013, at 14:22:06
So Lou said yesterday was your "Last Day". Did you see the rider on the white horse? Are you as crazy as Lou now?
Posted by europerep on January 25, 2013, at 15:59:22
In reply to Re: Without my Ritalin I - Amineptine, posted by jono_in_adelaide on January 24, 2013, at 17:23:51
> Kat, if you're willing to try the grey market (and if i was in your shoes, i would)
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> Nothing is guaranteed, but it sounds like it would be well worth tryingHmm, looks like their site is back up again. It was down when I last looked for it a year or so ago.
The offer says "custom quantities also available", so I think that makes it clear that they are not selling a pharmaceutical product. But maybe it's worth a try, I haven't ever heard of anyone taking amineptine, successfully or not.
Posted by Phil on January 26, 2013, at 8:27:54
In reply to Re: Without my Ritalin I - Amineptine » jono_in_adelaide, posted by europerep on January 25, 2013, at 15:59:22
That's a scary website.
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 27, 2013, at 2:21:40
In reply to Re: Without my Ritalin I - Amineptine, posted by jono_in_adelaide on January 24, 2013, at 17:23:51
> Kat, if you're willing to try the grey market (and if i was in your shoes, i would)
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> [xxx]Please don't use this site to exchange information on how to import into the US medication that hasn't been approved by the FDA:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#illegal
Thanks,
Bob
PS: Follow-ups regarding posting policies should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration.
Posted by schleprock on January 27, 2013, at 18:45:27
In reply to Without my Ritalin I feel like dying, posted by ChicagoKat on January 23, 2013, at 14:22:06
Kat, I couldn't find a rider on a white horse, but I did find a horse wearing a cape for you. Hope this helps.
http://images-mediawiki-sites.thefullwiki.org/04/2/5/2/12775482795956549.png
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 28, 2013, at 0:58:15
In reply to Lou's response-greytryb » ChicagoKat, posted by Lou Pilder on January 23, 2013, at 14:56:59
Hi, everyone,
Sorry to interrupt, but I'd like to direct follow-ups about Spirit and Life to Psycho-Babble Faith. Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20101230/msgs/1036632.html
Other follow-ups are still of course welcome here.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by ChicagoKat on January 29, 2013, at 7:16:18
In reply to Re: Without my Ritalin I feel like dying » ChicagoKat, posted by schleprock on January 27, 2013, at 18:45:27
> Kat, I couldn't find a rider on a white horse, but I did find a horse wearing a cape for you. Hope this helps.
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> http://images-mediawiki-sites.thefullwiki.org/04/2/5/2/12775482795956549.pngawwww, Schlep, that was such a sweet thing for you to do! I made the pic my desktop background :) Thanks so much!
Kat
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