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Posted by brynb on January 16, 2013, at 21:48:52
In reply to Re: woe is me » brynb, posted by Phillipa on January 16, 2013, at 20:40:10
thanks for the supportive posts.
i'm thinking being so physically ill and being yanked off of 3 different psych meds is what's really screwing me up. i'm also feeling really unsupported and full of self-hatred.
it's ironic i suppose; being so physically ill and mentally ill simultaneously.
Posted by brynb on January 16, 2013, at 22:02:02
In reply to Re: woe is me, posted by johnLA on January 16, 2013, at 21:29:46
good to see you, john. and thanks for putting a smile on my face.
i hope you're in a good place.-b
Posted by brynb on January 16, 2013, at 22:11:36
In reply to Re: woe is me, posted by jono_in_adelaide on January 16, 2013, at 20:03:32
> Given where you're currently at, i realy think you should consider inpatient care for a short time, to try and get you stabalised on some effective meds, and to get you over the crisis.
>
> Have you tried prochlorperazine (Compazine) or meteclopramide (Reglan, Maxalon) for the nausea and vomiting?jono-
i'm thinking about it, but i'm pretty scarred by past experiences.
as far as nausea goes, it abated (finally!), but I have an Rx for zofran and reglan. I received both via iv in the hospital and they really helped.
thanks for your help. hope you're well...
Posted by schleprock on January 16, 2013, at 23:57:03
In reply to woe is me, posted by brynb on January 16, 2013, at 9:26:32
You might as will have just named this thread "Lou Pilder (aka Prince of Death) we need another one of your life-affirming sermons and links to childish videos of Lego people."
I actually meant was whether you stopped taking any meds BEFORE your recent washout (especially anything you had been on long term). That could have contributed to the nausea in the first place.
Posted by schleprock on January 16, 2013, at 23:58:29
In reply to Lou's response-ehynupsng » schleprock, posted by Lou Pilder on January 16, 2013, at 20:05:04
> > Looks like Lou was right...
> >
> > But anyway, have you recently decreased the dosage or discontinued any medications? It sounds a lot like withdrawal. I might have had a similar experience following a minute dosage adjustment of nortriptyline.
> >
> > Also, you wouldn't happen to be on lithium by any chance, would you?
>
> schleprock,
> You wrote,
> [...Looks like Lou was right..].
> Friends, if you look at the liturature in regards to psychiaric drugs, a lot of them have in their PI that the drug could worsen depression. And on top of that, the psychiatrist/doctor that you are in collaboration with to obtainthese drugs could tell ou that you have to take the drug for many weeks before it "works", whatever that could mean. After the many weeks, there could be addiction. Addiction so horrific that some kill themselves and/r others during withdrawal.
> It has been revealed to me a way one can withdrawal from these drugs. Yet today, I am prevented from posting that way here due to prohibitions made to me here by Mr Hsiung. It comes from a Jewish perspective that has been revealed to me in relation to the foundation of Judaism.
> Lou
> I would like interested readers to view the following video. To see this video:
> A. Pull up Google
> B. Type in:
> [youtube, vpAEapBfXe0]
> You will see a cartoon and the time is on there at 3:58Lou, is that you in the video?
Posted by johnLA on January 17, 2013, at 5:00:31
In reply to woe is me, posted by brynb on January 16, 2013, at 9:26:32
love this song. helps me when i'm down. makes me know i can slay that dragon...
Posted by SLS on January 17, 2013, at 5:05:56
In reply to Lou's response-ehynupsng » schleprock, posted by Lou Pilder on January 16, 2013, at 20:05:04
> > Looks like Lou was right...
> schleprock,
> You wrote,
> [...Looks like Lou was right..].
> Friends, if you look at the liturature in regards to psychiaric drugs, a lot of them have in their PI that the drug could worsen depression.Yes, when an antidepressant is not a good match for the idiosyncrasies of one's neurobiology, a worsening of depression is a possible outcome. We see this here quite often amongst a population of treatment-resistant people who have been exposed to numerous drugs. I think this association is an artifact of the greater number of drugs tried per individual. Along with this is the supposition that the biological diatheses of treatment resistant cases leaves one more likely to display unusual neurobiological states in reaction to specific drugs. However, this cannot be generalized. Two people can react in opposite ways to the same drug.
One thing that is too-often overlooked is that there are cases in which a severely depressed individual longs for death, but who doesn't have the energy nor cognitive resources to plan and attempt a suicide. It is this severe depression that actually prevents the individual from forming a plan and having the energy to executing that plan. It happens quite often that as someone is just beginning to respond to treatment, they gain the ability to form plans and have the energy to succeed. At this point, the individual may not be well enough to feel any less frustrated, demoralized, sad, angry, helpless, or hopeless. In his mind, nothing has changed in his life in the 14 days it takes to begin responding to drug treatment. The first 3 - 4 weeks period is therefore a dangerous time for people who are just beginning to feel more intellectually and physically energetic. It is incumbent upon the doctor to explain this before initiating treatment, and to schedule weekly visits to evaluate the extent to which the patient is experiencing sucidal thoughts. A doctor might treat a patient with a drug to reduce the anger and anxiety that is driving such thoughts by using a short course of benzodiazepine treatment. Psychotherapy can be very important during this time. Once through this dangerous period, an antidepressant drug can rescue someone from their disabling and painful existence and transform their life into one of joy and fulfillment.
Lou Pilder: When you were treated with psychotropic medications, in what ways did you become suicidal?
- Scott
Posted by brynb on January 17, 2013, at 7:39:08
In reply to Re: woe is me » brynb, posted by schleprock on January 16, 2013, at 23:57:03
great. thanks. just duked it out with him in another thread because i'm so sick & tired and way too sick & tired to deal w/ him.
i did not stop any meds before i became ill. only during. i did stop lithium about a month ago, though. i was on a low dose and my pdoc didn't tell me to taper.
Posted by brynb on January 17, 2013, at 7:49:13
In reply to sing w/me b..., posted by johnLA on January 17, 2013, at 5:00:31
thanks for the beautiful song, john. it's very apropos...
Posted by ChicagoKat on January 17, 2013, at 8:21:37
In reply to woe is me, posted by brynb on January 16, 2013, at 9:26:32
Bryn,
You are not a ranting lunatic, you are mentally ill. And sadly, that sometimes seems to carry the same stigma that it did in medieval times. People who have never had depression or anxiety do not GET IT. I've had the same problem with family and loved ones gettng sick of me being so depressed, but it's because they simply cannot imagine how it feels. I've learned to lean on other depressives and leave my loved ones out of the loop. One really telling sign: when I was sick in the hospital with a "real" illness, my family was unbelievably concerned and compassionate. They will never be that way about my depression, even though it is far more painful to me than those "real" illnesses. Sometimes I wish I could let them step into my brain for just a minute so they could understand how it feels.
Hang in there Bryn. You have all of us to lean on and we will give you all the support we can. You are so not alone.
Kat
Posted by brynb on January 17, 2013, at 10:46:02
In reply to Re: woe is me » brynb, posted by Emme_V2 on January 16, 2013, at 21:48:21
> So sorry you're suffering so badly. Inpatient or intensive outpatient might be worth considering. I'm wondering about the throwing up. Did you make any sort of med dosage increase or add a new med when it started, or had you been on everything for while? Are you feeling better stomach wise without the meds? Are you confident that they ruled everything else out?
>
> I know it's hard to be aggressive for your own treatment when you feel so awful. And stopping everything at once is pretty brutal and can send your brain into a bad state. Keep letting us know how you're doing.
>
> emmethanks, emme. there was nothing new or changed when i got sick. it just sort of happened. i'm thinking of taking half of my lexapro dose until i can fully wean off or speak to my pdoc. better yet, i'd like to find a new pdoc as this guy has proved to be worthless. i'm a somewhat easy patient--i'm not difficult, i don't challenge, i comply and i offer intelligent insight and suggestions into my case. oh, sometimes i cry. so what? i say "somewhat" easy patient because i'm tx resistant and my pdoc doesn't seem to know what to do w/ me and i'm getting the feeling that it's annoying to him.
thanks again. i might go inpatient. i can't do this anymore.
Posted by brynb on January 17, 2013, at 15:35:10
In reply to woe is me, posted by brynb on January 16, 2013, at 9:26:32
I just made an appointment w/ Edward Fruitman to discuss my case and possibly ketamine. My pdoc has been unresponsive and I feel a bit unethical too.
Fruitman's considerably inexpensive at $250 for initial consults, then about $150 for follow ups. His reviews are excellent.
Any other suggestions?
Thx.
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 17, 2013, at 16:21:22
In reply to Re: Lou's response-ehynupsng » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on January 17, 2013, at 5:05:56
> > > Looks like Lou was right...
>
> > schleprock,
> > You wrote,
> > [...Looks like Lou was right..].
> > Friends, if you look at the liturature in regards to psychiaric drugs, a lot of them have in their PI that the drug could worsen depression.
>
> Yes, when an antidepressant is not a good match for the idiosyncrasies of one's neurobiology, a worsening of depression is a possible outcome. We see this here quite often amongst a population of treatment-resistant people who have been exposed to numerous drugs. I think this association is an artifact of the greater number of drugs tried per individual. Along with this is the supposition that the biological diatheses of treatment resistant cases leaves one more likely to display unusual neurobiological states in reaction to specific drugs. However, this cannot be generalized. Two people can react in opposite ways to the same drug.
>
> One thing that is too-often overlooked is that there are cases in which a severely depressed individual longs for death, but who doesn't have the energy nor cognitive resources to plan and attempt a suicide. It is this severe depression that actually prevents the individual from forming a plan and having the energy to executing that plan. It happens quite often that as someone is just beginning to respond to treatment, they gain the ability to form plans and have the energy to succeed. At this point, the individual may not be well enough to feel any less frustrated, demoralized, sad, angry, helpless, or hopeless. In his mind, nothing has changed in his life in the 14 days it takes to begin responding to drug treatment. The first 3 - 4 weeks period is therefore a dangerous time for people who are just beginning to feel more intellectually and physically energetic. It is incumbent upon the doctor to explain this before initiating treatment, and to schedule weekly visits to evaluate the extent to which the patient is experiencing sucidal thoughts. A doctor might treat a patient with a drug to reduce the anger and anxiety that is driving such thoughts by using a short course of benzodiazepine treatment. Psychotherapy can be very important during this time. Once through this dangerous period, an antidepressant drug can rescue someone from their disabling and painful existence and transform their life into one of joy and fulfillment.
>
> Lou Pilder: When you were treated with psychotropic medications, in what ways did you become suicidal?
>
>
> - ScottFriends,
The post by Scott here could be extreamly important to you. I intend to post my response here to the issues that Scott brings up which I hink that all members interested be discussants here.
Be advised, that I have a different perspective to what Scott posts here, but because he posts what he has here, I think that it would be important for interested members to be party to this thread.
There are many issues here that if one does not have the knowledge concerning them, death could be a result. This is why it is important for members to be participants in this thread.
I am going to allow an interlude so that members can call their friends to also come here to be discussants in this thread and for othes to post from their perspective concerning the issues in Scott's post.
I intend to be back to post what I think could save your life, prevent life-ruining conditions and addictions and provide a way for those that want a way out to become a whole new person and sing a new song.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20110902/msgs/996161.html
Posted by schleprock on January 17, 2013, at 17:21:07
In reply to Lou's reply-nomowo » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on January 17, 2013, at 16:21:22
> > > > Looks like Lou was right...
> >
> > > schleprock,
> > > You wrote,
> > > [...Looks like Lou was right..].
> > > Friends, if you look at the liturature in regards to psychiaric drugs, a lot of them have in their PI that the drug could worsen depression.
> >
> > Yes, when an antidepressant is not a good match for the idiosyncrasies of one's neurobiology, a worsening of depression is a possible outcome. We see this here quite often amongst a population of treatment-resistant people who have been exposed to numerous drugs. I think this association is an artifact of the greater number of drugs tried per individual. Along with this is the supposition that the biological diatheses of treatment resistant cases leaves one more likely to display unusual neurobiological states in reaction to specific drugs. However, this cannot be generalized. Two people can react in opposite ways to the same drug.
> >
> > One thing that is too-often overlooked is that there are cases in which a severely depressed individual longs for death, but who doesn't have the energy nor cognitive resources to plan and attempt a suicide. It is this severe depression that actually prevents the individual from forming a plan and having the energy to executing that plan. It happens quite often that as someone is just beginning to respond to treatment, they gain the ability to form plans and have the energy to succeed. At this point, the individual may not be well enough to feel any less frustrated, demoralized, sad, angry, helpless, or hopeless. In his mind, nothing has changed in his life in the 14 days it takes to begin responding to drug treatment. The first 3 - 4 weeks period is therefore a dangerous time for people who are just beginning to feel more intellectually and physically energetic. It is incumbent upon the doctor to explain this before initiating treatment, and to schedule weekly visits to evaluate the extent to which the patient is experiencing sucidal thoughts. A doctor might treat a patient with a drug to reduce the anger and anxiety that is driving such thoughts by using a short course of benzodiazepine treatment. Psychotherapy can be very important during this time. Once through this dangerous period, an antidepressant drug can rescue someone from their disabling and painful existence and transform their life into one of joy and fulfillment.
> >
> > Lou Pilder: When you were treated with psychotropic medications, in what ways did you become suicidal?
> >
> >
> > - Scott
>
> Friends,
> The post by Scott here could be extreamly important to you. I intend to post my response here to the issues that Scott brings up which I hink that all members interested be discussants here.
> Be advised, that I have a different perspective to what Scott posts here, but because he posts what he has here, I think that it would be important for interested members to be party to this thread.
> There are many issues here that if one does not have the knowledge concerning them, death could be a result. This is why it is important for members to be participants in this thread.
> I am going to allow an interlude so that members can call their friends to also come here to be discussants in this thread and for othes to post from their perspective concerning the issues in Scott's post.
> I intend to be back to post what I think could save your life, prevent life-ruining conditions and addictions and provide a way for those that want a way out to become a whole new person and sing a new song.
> Lou
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20110902/msgs/996161.htmlYou're waiting for Dr. Bob to go on vacation first? Good idea!
Posted by Hugh on January 17, 2013, at 18:54:16
In reply to @ Hugh (+ others who know of good NYC docs), posted by brynb on January 17, 2013, at 15:35:10
> I just made an appointment w/ Edward Fruitman to discuss my case and possibly ketamine. My pdoc has been unresponsive and I feel a bit unethical too.
>
> Fruitman's considerably inexpensive at $250 for initial consults, then about $150 for follow ups. His reviews are excellent.
>
> Any other suggestions?
>
> Thx.I don't know of any other MDs in NYC. I've just been looking at Fruitman's website and he really has an innovative practice. In addition to ketamine, I see he also treats depression with botox. And TMS. Since Fruitman is so cutting edge, I'd imagine that it won't be too long before he's offering the new Deep TMS. Good luck.
Posted by schleprock on January 17, 2013, at 20:06:24
In reply to Re: @ Hugh (+ others who know of good NYC docs), posted by Hugh on January 17, 2013, at 18:54:16
> > I just made an appointment w/ Edward Fruitman to discuss my case and possibly ketamine. My pdoc has been unresponsive and I feel a bit unethical too.
> >
> > Fruitman's considerably inexpensive at $250 for initial consults, then about $150 for follow ups. His reviews are excellent.
> >
> > Any other suggestions?
> >
> > Thx.
>
> I don't know of any other MDs in NYC. I've just been looking at Fruitman's website and he really has an innovative practice. In addition to ketamine, I see he also treats depression with botox. And TMS. Since Fruitman is so cutting edge, I'd imagine that it won't be too long before he's offering the new Deep TMS. Good luck.What about this guy? (Read comments.)
http://www.vitals.com/doctors/Dr_Ronald_Rawitt/reviews
http://www.ratemds.com/doctor-ratings/863462/Dr-Ronald-Rawitt-NEW+YORK-NY.html
Posted by Phillipa on January 17, 2013, at 20:30:08
In reply to Re: @ Hugh (+ others who know of good NYC docs), posted by schleprock on January 17, 2013, at 20:06:24
Second link didn't work. But from the first link I'd stay away personally Phillipa
Posted by brynb on January 18, 2013, at 13:36:13
In reply to Re: woe is me » brynb, posted by schleprock on January 16, 2013, at 10:28:43
> Also, you wouldn't happen to be on lithium by any chance, would you?
why did you ask abt lithium, schleprock? I recently stopped it.
Posted by schleprock on January 18, 2013, at 15:41:24
In reply to Re: woe is me » schleprock, posted by brynb on January 18, 2013, at 13:36:13
> > Also, you wouldn't happen to be on lithium by any chance, would you?
>
> why did you ask abt lithium, schleprock? I recently stopped it.I've had a bad experience with Lithium. In fact, over 3 years later I still haven't recovered. I don't believe Lithium is a safe drug for anyone to be taking.
Posted by Phillipa on January 18, 2013, at 18:48:08
In reply to Re: woe is me » brynb, posted by schleprock on January 18, 2013, at 15:41:24
Really? What happened? So it's not neuroprotective as some say? Phillipa
Posted by Emme_V2 on January 18, 2013, at 21:05:55
In reply to Re: woe is me » Emme_V2, posted by brynb on January 17, 2013, at 10:46:02
> > So sorry you're suffering so badly. Inpatient or intensive outpatient might be worth considering. I'm wondering about the throwing up. Did you make any sort of med dosage increase or add a new med when it started, or had you been on everything for while? Are you feeling better stomach wise without the meds? Are you confident that they ruled everything else out?
> >
> > I know it's hard to be aggressive for your own treatment when you feel so awful. And stopping everything at once is pretty brutal and can send your brain into a bad state. Keep letting us know how you're doing.
> >
> > emme
>
> thanks, emme. there was nothing new or changed when i got sick. it just sort of happened. i'm thinking of taking half of my lexapro dose until i can fully wean off or speak to my pdoc. better yet, i'd like to find a new pdoc as this guy has proved to be worthless. i'm a somewhat easy patient--i'm not difficult, i don't challenge, i comply and i offer intelligent insight and suggestions into my case. oh, sometimes i cry. so what? i say "somewhat" easy patient because i'm tx resistant and my pdoc doesn't seem to know what to do w/ me and i'm getting the feeling that it's annoying to him.
>
> thanks again. i might go inpatient. i can't do this anymore.Hi Bryn,
When you say vomiting so frequently that just sort of appeared makes me think food poisoning or some sort of horrid viral infection. My friend's child abruptly started having stomach pain and throwing up every half an hour. They suspect norovirus, although I don't think they have a firm diagnosis (the kid is doing much better now).
Anyway, your medical professionals may very well have done due diligence and truly explored all avenues, and maybe it really was your meds. I just worry that they may have incorrectly chalked your symptoms up to psych meds simply because you take them, and pulled you off them cold turkey unnecessarily, throwing your psyche into the pit of hell.
I do hope you are hanging in there and starting to feel a little better.
emme
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 19, 2013, at 13:08:15
In reply to Lou's reply-nomowo » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on January 17, 2013, at 16:21:22
> > > > Looks like Lou was right...
> >
> > > schleprock,
> > > You wrote,
> > > [...Looks like Lou was right..].
> > > Friends, if you look at the liturature in regards to psychiaric drugs, a lot of them have in their PI that the drug could worsen depression.
> >
> > Yes, when an antidepressant is not a good match for the idiosyncrasies of one's neurobiology, a worsening of depression is a possible outcome. We see this here quite often amongst a population of treatment-resistant people who have been exposed to numerous drugs. I think this association is an artifact of the greater number of drugs tried per individual. Along with this is the supposition that the biological diatheses of treatment resistant cases leaves one more likely to display unusual neurobiological states in reaction to specific drugs. However, this cannot be generalized. Two people can react in opposite ways to the same drug.
> >
> > One thing that is too-often overlooked is that there are cases in which a severely depressed individual longs for death, but who doesn't have the energy nor cognitive resources to plan and attempt a suicide. It is this severe depression that actually prevents the individual from forming a plan and having the energy to executing that plan. It happens quite often that as someone is just beginning to respond to treatment, they gain the ability to form plans and have the energy to succeed. At this point, the individual may not be well enough to feel any less frustrated, demoralized, sad, angry, helpless, or hopeless. In his mind, nothing has changed in his life in the 14 days it takes to begin responding to drug treatment. The first 3 - 4 weeks period is therefore a dangerous time for people who are just beginning to feel more intellectually and physically energetic. It is incumbent upon the doctor to explain this before initiating treatment, and to schedule weekly visits to evaluate the extent to which the patient is experiencing sucidal thoughts. A doctor might treat a patient with a drug to reduce the anger and anxiety that is driving such thoughts by using a short course of benzodiazepine treatment. Psychotherapy can be very important during this time. Once through this dangerous period, an antidepressant drug can rescue someone from their disabling and painful existence and transform their life into one of joy and fulfillment.
> >
> > Lou Pilder: When you were treated with psychotropic medications, in what ways did you become suicidal?
> >
> >
> > - Scott
>
> Friends,
> The post by Scott here could be extreamly important to you. I intend to post my response here to the issues that Scott brings up which I hink that all members interested be discussants here.
> Be advised, that I have a different perspective to what Scott posts here, but because he posts what he has here, I think that it would be important for interested members to be party to this thread.
> There are many issues here that if one does not have the knowledge concerning them, death could be a result. This is why it is important for members to be participants in this thread.
> I am going to allow an interlude so that members can call their friends to also come here to be discussants in this thread and for othes to post from their perspective concerning the issues in Scott's post.
> I intend to be back to post what I think could save your life, prevent life-ruining conditions and addictions and provide a way for those that want a way out to become a whole new person and sing a new song.
> Lou
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20110902/msgs/996161.htmlFriends,
It is written here concerning that one could take a benzodiazepine in collaboration with a treating psychiatrist/doctor. In reading Scott's post, I am unsure as to what is happening in the scenerio that he cites here.
But would taking a benzodiazepine be an {anti suicide pill}? Scott writes that a benzodiazepine would reduce thoughts of anger and anxiety that is driving suicidal thoughts. And Scott uses the phrase,{a short course}.
Now what is a short course? A benzodiazepine could cause an addiction in a short course. But it is much more than this. You see, a benzodiazepine could cause suicidal thinking.
Now you see why I think that what Scott posted here is extreamly important for you to know the knowledge available concerning what Scott posted. The facts that I am prevented from posting here could mark the difference between you being a live person or a corpse.
Here is a link concerning suicidal ideation in relation to a benzodiazepine. It is not a {anti suicide pill}, for I know of none.
Lou
http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/xanax/suicidal+ideation
Posted by SLS on January 19, 2013, at 13:20:22
In reply to Lou's reply-nomowo-antisuicide pill?, posted by Lou Pilder on January 19, 2013, at 13:08:15
Could you please provide here the link to the post in which you claim that I stated that a benzodiazepine was an "anti-suicide" pill?
Thank you.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 19, 2013, at 13:39:00
In reply to Lou - Please provide the link. » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on January 19, 2013, at 13:20:22
> Could you please provide here the link to the post in which you claim that I stated that a benzodiazepine was an "anti-suicide" pill?
>
> Thank you.
>
>
> - ScottScott,
Could you provide here I wrote that you stated a benzodiazepine was an anti-suicide pill?
Friends,
I did not write that Scott stated that a benzodiazepine was an anti-suicide pill. The subject in the thread is taking psycotropic drugs in relation to suicidal thinking and that these drugs can increase suicidal thinking. A benzodiazepine can cause suicidal thinking.
Here is another benzodiazepine in relation to suicidal thinking.
Lou
http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/klonopin/suicidal+ideation
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 19, 2013, at 17:22:57
In reply to Lou's reply-nomowo-antisuicide pill?, posted by Lou Pilder on January 19, 2013, at 13:08:15
> > > > > Looks like Lou was right...
> > >
> > > > schleprock,
> > > > You wrote,
> > > > [...Looks like Lou was right..].
> > > > Friends, if you look at the liturature in regards to psychiaric drugs, a lot of them have in their PI that the drug could worsen depression.
> > >
> > > Yes, when an antidepressant is not a good match for the idiosyncrasies of one's neurobiology, a worsening of depression is a possible outcome. We see this here quite often amongst a population of treatment-resistant people who have been exposed to numerous drugs. I think this association is an artifact of the greater number of drugs tried per individual. Along with this is the supposition that the biological diatheses of treatment resistant cases leaves one more likely to display unusual neurobiological states in reaction to specific drugs. However, this cannot be generalized. Two people can react in opposite ways to the same drug.
> > >
> > > One thing that is too-often overlooked is that there are cases in which a severely depressed individual longs for death, but who doesn't have the energy nor cognitive resources to plan and attempt a suicide. It is this severe depression that actually prevents the individual from forming a plan and having the energy to executing that plan. It happens quite often that as someone is just beginning to respond to treatment, they gain the ability to form plans and have the energy to succeed. At this point, the individual may not be well enough to feel any less frustrated, demoralized, sad, angry, helpless, or hopeless. In his mind, nothing has changed in his life in the 14 days it takes to begin responding to drug treatment. The first 3 - 4 weeks period is therefore a dangerous time for people who are just beginning to feel more intellectually and physically energetic. It is incumbent upon the doctor to explain this before initiating treatment, and to schedule weekly visits to evaluate the extent to which the patient is experiencing sucidal thoughts. A doctor might treat a patient with a drug to reduce the anger and anxiety that is driving such thoughts by using a short course of benzodiazepine treatment. Psychotherapy can be very important during this time. Once through this dangerous period, an antidepressant drug can rescue someone from their disabling and painful existence and transform their life into one of joy and fulfillment.
> > >
> > > Lou Pilder: When you were treated with psychotropic medications, in what ways did you become suicidal?
> > >
> > >
> > > - Scott
> >
> > Friends,
> > The post by Scott here could be extreamly important to you. I intend to post my response here to the issues that Scott brings up which I hink that all members interested be discussants here.
> > Be advised, that I have a different perspective to what Scott posts here, but because he posts what he has here, I think that it would be important for interested members to be party to this thread.
> > There are many issues here that if one does not have the knowledge concerning them, death could be a result. This is why it is important for members to be participants in this thread.
> > I am going to allow an interlude so that members can call their friends to also come here to be discussants in this thread and for othes to post from their perspective concerning the issues in Scott's post.
> > I intend to be back to post what I think could save your life, prevent life-ruining conditions and addictions and provide a way for those that want a way out to become a whole new person and sing a new song.
> > Lou
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20110902/msgs/996161.html
>
> Friends,
> It is written here concerning that one could take a benzodiazepine in collaboration with a treating psychiatrist/doctor. In reading Scott's post, I am unsure as to what is happening in the scenerio that he cites here.
> But would taking a benzodiazepine be an {anti suicide pill}? Scott writes that a benzodiazepine would reduce thoughts of anger and anxiety that is driving suicidal thoughts. And Scott uses the phrase,{a short course}.
> Now what is a short course? A benzodiazepine could cause an addiction in a short course. But it is much more than this. You see, a benzodiazepine could cause suicidal thinking.
> Now you see why I think that what Scott posted here is extreamly important for you to know the knowledge available concerning what Scott posted. The facts that I am prevented from posting here could mark the difference between you being a live person or a corpse.
> Here is a link concerning suicidal ideation in relation to a benzodiazepine. It is not a {anti suicide pill}, for I know of none.
> Lou
> http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/xanax/suicidal+ideationFriends,
Now let's look into more of what Scott has posted here in relation to his grammatical structure. Scott writes here about when an antidepressant is not a good match and worsening of the depression could be a result.
Now let's use some critical thinking concerning what Scott has posted. I ask, is there a way for the psychiatrist/doctor, that one is in collaboration with, to determine what a good match could be? If so, then for all the people that get worse, is the prescriber liable for their injuries or death if he/she gave a drug that was a bad match? Or is it that it can not be determined what kind of match the drug will be or that there is not any good match? Could the placebo effect have a part in what is a good or bad match?
You see, if there is no way to know before the drug is given, is the prescriber just shooting in the dark or hoping for a placebo effect?
And as one takes the drug for weeks, he/she can become addicted to the drug and then in withdrawal could kill themselves and/or others.
So what is in store for those that take these drugs? If there is some type of joy from taking these drugs, how long will that last and what about the 42,000 people that died last year from these drugs and the years before and the years going forward, their joy did not last, so what good would it do for one to have a fleeting time of joy and die from the drugs?
Now I am prevented here from posting what could give you a way out of your depression and addiction and have joy that will never end, and peace that goes beyond understanding, and that you will never die, free from being scared about death, free from being scared about addiction/withdrawal, free from being scared about tardive dyskinesia, free from being scared about your humanity taken away by the drugs, and free from being a victim of the misery that one could have from the drugs as can be seen over and over of the lives of those taking these drugs posting here. Do those people have joy?
Lou
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