Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 1028844

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Reduce Nardil to 30 then back up? Evidence?

Posted by gilmourr on October 16, 2012, at 10:34:51

So I'm on day 38 of Nardil 45 mg (if you don't count my biaxin inhibiting the Nardil).

It still doesn't feel like Nardil 45 mg the last two times I was on it. The reason it's screwed up again is because I went to 60 mg for 3 weeks (it sucked) and now I'm back at 45 mg.

Regardless, it isn't the same. Right now I feel pretty depressed (today I woke up worse than the last 38 days).

Options.
1.) Wait 2-3 more weeks. Even though Nardil has easily been way better for me at 45 mg by the 30 day mark.

2.) Decrease to 30 mg for a week or two, then back to 45 mg.

3.) Start my ween to 0, wait 2 weeks for MAO to regenerate and start at 45 mg like the last 2 times that have worked flawlessly.


Any discussion is appreciated. I'm pretty pissed at myself for trying out 60 mg.

 

Re: Reduce Nardil to 30 then back up? Evidence? » gilmourr

Posted by phillipa on October 16, 2012, at 12:35:32

In reply to Reduce Nardil to 30 then back up? Evidence?, posted by gilmourr on October 16, 2012, at 10:34:51

You say you are on biaxin antibiotic? That's a strong one and could be messing with the nardil. What's the biaxin for? I took it for two years on and off? Phillipa

 

Re: Reduce Nardil to 30 then back up? Evidence?

Posted by gilmourr on October 16, 2012, at 15:13:22

In reply to Re: Reduce Nardil to 30 then back up? Evidence? » gilmourr, posted by phillipa on October 16, 2012, at 12:35:32

I took it for a week when I stopped my Nardil 60 mg and went to 45 mg. So..

Stopped Nardil 60 mg and went to 45 mg on the 9th of september. On the 15th of september I started biaxin and took it until the 20th.

 

Re: Reduce Nardil to 30 then back up? Evidence?

Posted by jono_in_adelaide on October 16, 2012, at 17:52:52

In reply to Re: Reduce Nardil to 30 then back up? Evidence?, posted by gilmourr on October 16, 2012, at 15:13:22

Gillmore, if you arnt feeling it now, you arnt going to buddy. Stop the Nardil and ty somthing else

Sertaline + nortriptyline

Mirtazapine

 

Re: Reduce Nardil to 30 then back up? Evidence?

Posted by gilmourr on October 16, 2012, at 21:21:13

In reply to Re: Reduce Nardil to 30 then back up? Evidence?, posted by jono_in_adelaide on October 16, 2012, at 17:52:52

but Jono, the nardil DOES work.

It's worked each time I've started it from 0 to 45 mg. I've NEVER gone from a higher dose back down to 45 mg and the one time I try it, the Nardil effect didn't return.

If I start it from 0 I know it'll work again. I just can't decide whether I should do 30 mg first for a few weeks or just come off it completely and restart. 60 mg messed something up. It's as if the MAO can't completely regenerate back to 45 mg levels once you go up to 60 mg because the inhibition is faster than MAO regeneration.

 

Re: Reduce Nardil to 30 then back up? Evidence?

Posted by gilmourr on October 16, 2012, at 22:03:26

In reply to Re: Reduce Nardil to 30 then back up? Evidence?, posted by gilmourr on October 16, 2012, at 21:21:13

Actually, I'll try the 30 mg first. I'm taking the correct form of B6 and B12 too so that's not giving me any issues/deficiencies.

Tomorrow I'll go back to 30 mg for 2 weeks, see if I feel better. Today seemed like a clear indication waiting at 45 mg from 60 mg is not the correct route especially after 38 days.

I've just read about a fellow forum user that did this and it worked for him and he settled on 45 mg and is in remission now. Of course, I won't get 100% remission, but I should get back the 70% and then I'll be able to augment it with nortryptiline.

Lets hope this doesn't f*ck me up more! :)

 

Re: Reduce Nardil to 30 then back up? Evidence?

Posted by jono_in_adelaide on October 16, 2012, at 22:59:38

In reply to Re: Reduce Nardil to 30 then back up? Evidence?, posted by gilmourr on October 16, 2012, at 21:21:13

Well, in that case, stop, wash out for 2 weeks, then start it in the same way as you've started it before. Stick with what you know works.

 

Re: Reduce Nardil to 30 then back up? Evidence?

Posted by gilmourr on October 17, 2012, at 10:29:28

In reply to Re: Reduce Nardil to 30 then back up? Evidence?, posted by jono_in_adelaide on October 16, 2012, at 22:59:38

Yeah, going to ween off.

I'm thinking 15 mg every 4 days. Off completely by Day 9, then go as many days as I possibly can without it.

It's going to be awful since last time my eyes were bloodshot, depression came back very hard and I had night terrors/nightmares

 

Re: Reduce Nardil to 30 then back up? Evidence? » gilmourr

Posted by phidippus on October 20, 2012, at 16:17:54

In reply to Re: Reduce Nardil to 30 then back up? Evidence?, posted by gilmourr on October 17, 2012, at 10:29:28

You really think all this going on and off it is going to make a difference?

Eric

 

Re: Reduce Nardil to 30 then back up?Gillmore

Posted by jono_in_adelaide on October 22, 2012, at 0:15:07

In reply to Re: Reduce Nardil to 30 then back up? Evidence?, posted by gilmourr on October 17, 2012, at 10:29:28

If the nardil doesnt do it after the wash out, might I suggest a few alternatives

- Zzoloft + Nortriptyline

_ Zoloft or Effexor + Remeron

- Vibbryd plus Bupropion or Nortriptline

 

Re: Reduce Nardil to 30 then back up? Evidence?

Posted by gilmourr on October 22, 2012, at 1:11:11

In reply to Re: Reduce Nardil to 30 then back up? Evidence? » gilmourr, posted by phidippus on October 20, 2012, at 16:17:54

> You really think all this going on and off it is going to make a difference?
>
> Eric


Yeah I guarantee you that this will work. I'll get my 70% remission in 2 weeks to stay off any, then dose up again and wait for 30 days for it to fully balance.

So in 44 days I'll be exactly where I want to be 70% remission rate. THEN, I , NEVER, MESS, WITH THE NARDIL AGAIN.

The only thing I'll do will be trying out nortryp first with it. If that doesnt work, lyrica, if that doesn't work then wellbutrin.

If all 3 don't work. I'm officially done with Nardil and will try other options. :)

But I know one of these 3 is going to get me back to 100! Or maybe it's because I took a strong dose of ambien just now and am drinking to stop some of my withdrawal zaps!

 

Re: Reduce Nardil to 30 then back up?Gillmore

Posted by gilmourr on October 22, 2012, at 1:14:53

In reply to Re: Reduce Nardil to 30 then back up?Gillmore, posted by jono_in_adelaide on October 22, 2012, at 0:15:07

> If the nardil doesnt do it after the wash out, might I suggest a few alternatives
>
> - Zzoloft + Nortriptyline
>
> _ Zoloft or Effexor + Remeron
>
> - Vibbryd plus Bupropion or Nortriptline

Zoloft + nortryp i'll DEFINITELY try.

Zoloft with remeron i will NO WAY TRY. remeron destroyed me after 45 days. Never going back there haha :D

Vibbryd, that random new SSRI? I'll try it but I'm not trying it this early, I would try imipramine, clomipramine and amitryptiline first. I'd also try luvox before vibbryd.

But I like your #1 option.

Thanks for the post JONO friend

 

Re: Reduce Nardil to 30 then back up?Gillmore » gilmourr

Posted by phidippus on October 22, 2012, at 10:17:41

In reply to Re: Reduce Nardil to 30 then back up?Gillmore, posted by gilmourr on October 22, 2012, at 1:14:53

I'm on Viibryd and I find it to be the cleanest SSRI I've ever been on. I also find it more potent than Luvox. Remember, it is a 5ht1a patial agonist like Abilify.

Eric

 

Re: Reduce Nardil to 30 then back up? Evidence? » gilmourr

Posted by phidippus on October 22, 2012, at 10:21:22

In reply to Re: Reduce Nardil to 30 then back up? Evidence?, posted by gilmourr on October 22, 2012, at 1:11:11

I'd try Wellbutrin first, as it is an NDRI, while the Nortryptaline only boosts norepenephrine and serotonin to a small extent. Wellbutrin just has more kick.

Why would you want to try Lyrica.? Lyrica has a strong chance of causing depression.

Eric

 

Re: Reduce Nardil to 30 then back up? Evidence?

Posted by gilmourr on October 24, 2012, at 13:59:42

In reply to Re: Reduce Nardil to 30 then back up? Evidence? » gilmourr, posted by phidippus on October 22, 2012, at 10:21:22

> I'd try Wellbutrin first, as it is an NDRI, while the Nortryptaline only boosts norepenephrine and serotonin to a small extent. Wellbutrin just has more kick.
>
> Why would you want to try Lyrica.? Lyrica has a strong chance of causing depression.
>
> Eric

That's possible. More GABA = less agoraphobic anxiety. And yeah, the depression risk is out there. It's a combination that has a possible chance of working if I don't get the depressive part.

 

Re: Reduce Nardil to 30 then back up? Evidence? » gilmourr

Posted by phidippus on October 25, 2012, at 15:23:49

In reply to Re: Reduce Nardil to 30 then back up? Evidence?, posted by gilmourr on October 24, 2012, at 13:59:42

>More GABA = less agoraphobic anxiety.

Lyrica in no way has any affinity for GABA. It works on Calcium Channels.

Eric


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