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Posted by Christ_empowered on August 20, 2012, at 20:26:44
7 years ago I had a counselor. He diagnosed Schizophrenia (I was being prescribed 60mgs/day Adderall, which he knew about) and pressured me to take Abilify and BuSpar through a family doc. When I told him I didn't want the Abilify anymore, he transferred me to a colleague w/o telling me. His records contains lies and ruined my treatment at a local mental hospital, thus wasting thousands of dollars.
Now he's working at a somewhat nearby (same state, maybe 40miles away) public health place, mostly dealing with drug users. I called his supervisor and laid out the story. My diagnosis is now Bipolar I, and my IQ estimate is much higher than his was. He also refused to hand over records in clear violation of HIPPAA until after I had him subpoenad as part of a Medical Board investigation.
I called his supervisor and basically said he'll push drugs on people and that if he doesn't like somebody, he'll screw them over. I said they should keep an eye on him.
Do you think this was a good or bad thing to do?
Posted by Twinleaf on August 20, 2012, at 21:30:10
In reply to Did I do the right thing?, posted by Christ_empowered on August 20, 2012, at 20:26:44
It's really a question of what's in your best long- term interest. By expressing your very legitimate outrage and anger at being mistreated, you are letting off steam, but you may not be furthering your long- term interests, which are more along the lines of recovery and being considered a respected and trusted member of the communities you are part of. Looked at from that viewpoint, I think it's better to express your grievances privately to a therapist or to friends. What do you think, really?
Posted by Christ_empowered on August 20, 2012, at 21:36:44
In reply to Re: Did I do the right thing?, posted by Twinleaf on August 20, 2012, at 21:30:10
In my more self-righteous moments, I think that future patients/clients (whatever you call people who go to a counselor) deserve to be protected from this sort of individual and that someone who engages in this behavior should, at the very least, be observed more closely for signs of abusing their authority.
On the other hand, who knows, right? I imagine that Public Health place keeps pretty strict rules on everybody and he's not going to be able to pull that stuff again, anyway, so maybe it was an exercise in wrath that I shouldn't have indulged.
Ugh. I'm conflicted.
Posted by schleprock on August 20, 2012, at 21:50:20
In reply to Did I do the right thing?, posted by Christ_empowered on August 20, 2012, at 20:26:44
I'm sorry sir, but you went just too easy on him.
Posted by schleprock on August 20, 2012, at 21:51:45
In reply to Re: Did I do the right thing? » Christ_empowered, posted by schleprock on August 20, 2012, at 21:50:20
Oh, his initials wouldn't happen to be R.R., would they?
Posted by Twinleaf on August 20, 2012, at 22:35:02
In reply to Re: Did I do the right thing?, posted by Christ_empowered on August 20, 2012, at 21:36:44
The problem with making a call like that is that you are likely to be considered as exhibiting poor judgement. The chances of them believing what you said are very low. If you really feel it is important to do it, writing a letter which is objective and has documentation would probably be better.
Posted by Raisinb on August 20, 2012, at 22:58:45
In reply to Did I do the right thing?, posted by Christ_empowered on August 20, 2012, at 20:26:44
Well, like Twinleaf said, they might not believe you, but since you are not being treated at the place he works, then your call isn't that likely to have negative effects for you and your life.
Since you are so worried about it afterwards, though, it's likely the call and/or thinking about that doctor again brought up some issues for you and it might be good to think about what they are. Do you have a therapist you can talk to about it?
Posted by Phillipa on August 20, 2012, at 23:37:47
In reply to Did I do the right thing?, posted by Christ_empowered on August 20, 2012, at 20:26:44
CE is this the pdoc from before? Or a counsellor? As thought this had already been done? Phillipa
Posted by bleauberry on August 21, 2012, at 5:17:40
In reply to Did I do the right thing?, posted by Christ_empowered on August 20, 2012, at 20:26:44
By doing this I think you may have inadvertently confirmed what they already believed, that you have mental problems.
The way to approach a situation like this is to file a formal complaint with the medical board of your State, if truly is that big of an issue and if someone truly did something wrong, unethical, or negligent.
Sometimes silence is best. I mean, it doesn't really matter what "they" do. What matters is, what are you doing or going to do for yourself. I think we put way too much dependence on doctors, and most of them agree with that. The most important person in determining the healing strategy is the patient. We have to be proactive in our own health issues.
I've been in this same sort of situation a couple times. While I was tempted to be angry with the doc, I was actually angry with myself for picking such a lousy one.
No facts here, opinions only.
Posted by Novelagent on August 21, 2012, at 10:51:56
In reply to Did I do the right thing?, posted by Christ_empowered on August 20, 2012, at 20:26:44
It sounds like you have obsessive tendancies to work on. People get handed difficult situations by others all the time, but they move on and don't point fingers and call people names.
I can't find anyone who accepts psychotic people as part of their psychotic practice largely because of actions like yours-- they're vengeful, conniving, and far more destructive than the thing they're avenging after. You're ruining people's lives and livelihoods. I asked during a recent consult for a referral to a private practice from a clinic director of a well-known hospital that has a community health clinic partnership he overseas. He said no one in the entire city accepts psychotic patients as part of a private practice, so I'd have to settle for a resident at a community health clinic, except maybe one lady, but he wasn't sure if she still saw psychotics, and even if she did, if she was accepting new patients. I mentioned there's one guy at a private practice that advertises on his site that he treats schizophrenia as one of thr illnesses he treats, but he charges $500 just for the first appointment.
I don't even know why you're asking us. You're asking if it's wrong to try to ruin someone's career. You already know the answer. You should be apologizing, and if the guy was smart, he would have just made it too annoying to get your record for you to bother-- there's no HIPAA law against requiring a nurse to be present while you look at your record, or making you fill out forms and mail them to an address and have 10 different times come up where you get a call saying you forgot to write some obscure legal term in your record request, requiring it to be re-sent so many times you eventually give up.
Yeah, thanks for reinforcing the stereotype that psychotics are more trouble than they're worth. If he was a private doc, you should have been thankful he was bothering to see you-- psychotic patents generally don't justify themselves in a cost-benefit analysis for most docs, that's why no one but residents desperate for credentials so they can eventually have a private botique practice dispensing klonopin to mildly neurotic, rich and pleasant patients and never see psychotics again.
> 7 years ago I had a counselor. He diagnosed Schizophrenia (I was being prescribed 60mgs/day Adderall, which he knew about) and pressured me to take Abilify and BuSpar through a family doc. When I told him I didn't want the Abilify anymore, he transferred me to a colleague w/o telling me. His records contains lies and ruined my treatment at a local mental hospital, thus wasting thousands of dollars.
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> Now he's working at a somewhat nearby (same state, maybe 40miles away) public health place, mostly dealing with drug users. I called his supervisor and laid out the story. My diagnosis is now Bipolar I, and my IQ estimate is much higher than his was. He also refused to hand over records in clear violation of HIPPAA until after I had him subpoenad as part of a Medical Board investigation.
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> I called his supervisor and basically said he'll push drugs on people and that if he doesn't like somebody, he'll screw them over. I said they should keep an eye on him.
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> Do you think this was a good or bad thing to do?
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Posted by mbrational on August 21, 2012, at 11:01:20
In reply to Re: Did I do the right thing?, posted by Novelagent on August 21, 2012, at 10:51:56
Whats the matter with you? Your answer is far worse than what he did.
Markus
Posted by novelagent on August 22, 2012, at 1:36:21
In reply to Re: Did I do the right thing?, posted by mbrational on August 21, 2012, at 11:01:20
Sorry, when i take 2 70mg Vyvanses, I have irritable writing for the first 3 hours... I hate irritable amphetamine writing. It makes me feel like sone Youtube commenter almost.
Posted by novelagent on August 22, 2012, at 1:38:25
In reply to Re: Did I do the right thing?, posted by mbrational on August 21, 2012, at 11:01:20
Sorry, when i take 2 70mg Vyvanses, I have irritable writing for the first 3 hours... I hate irritable amphetamine writing. It makes me feel like sone Youtube commenter almost.
Posted by Christ_empowered on August 22, 2012, at 20:42:46
In reply to Re: Did I do the right thing » mbrational, posted by novelagent on August 22, 2012, at 1:38:25
I think I stand by what I did. Dude was (and is) a counselor with power issues. Doesn't like you? Fine. Take an atypical, shut the hell up, you're schizophrenic. Screw that, and screw him. His future patients deserve to be protected.
Posted by Chris O on August 28, 2012, at 18:04:22
In reply to Re: Did I do the right thing, posted by Christ_empowered on August 22, 2012, at 20:42:46
"Screw that, and screw him."
God, I totally concur. Some of these practitioners can just bite me. I know that they are trying to help the best way they know how, but I hate (hate, hate, hate!) going to them and submitting to their power. (How long, Lord, oh how long? Forever? Thanks for that, buddy.) I hate being constantly vulnerable and ending up with nothing but humiliation in the end. I sometimes fantasize about not having such crippling anxiety/depression, with the various counselors I've seen coming to me for help. Must be nice to be so "functional."
Chris
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