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Posted by johnLA on July 2, 2012, at 12:48:37
business as usual i guess;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18673220
scares me what we are putting in to our bodies.
i know this is a med site, but anybody out there doing better on less meds? i am off antidepressants for the first time in over 2 years. i still feel the same; like crap. but, no crazy dreams, dry mouth, and am wondering if the anti-psych people are right when i read stories like the above.
i'm tired.
john
ps this is from the guy who is going for a ketamine infusion on 25 july. ironic, no?
Posted by Phil on July 2, 2012, at 13:35:57
In reply to who can we trust?, posted by johnLA on July 2, 2012, at 12:48:37
Do the doctors lose their license or face any consequences at all?
I can be so naive sometimes. I know that this goes on but I'm still shocked to read it again.
Posted by Phillipa on July 2, 2012, at 15:44:16
In reply to Re: who can we trust?, posted by Phil on July 2, 2012, at 13:35:57
I have read here about the diabetes drug. But paxil and wellbutrin? I do know the UK has different approved uses of drugs. IE: that wellbutrin can't be used for anti-smoking?. I will copy and paste this and send to one of UK buddies banned from posting here. I have a lawyer friend in CA that is getting off his meds was treatment resistant and was about to shoot himself. No need to go into details but he's fine now but going off psych meds for niacinimide?. Thankfully I stopped the lexapro not that it did a thing. Never made me feel different. Scarey. And aren't many niave? Phillipa
Posted by linkadge on July 2, 2012, at 19:45:10
In reply to who can we trust?, posted by johnLA on July 2, 2012, at 12:48:37
I don't trust anybody. If the medications worked, I might believe the hype.
Linkadge
Posted by ron1953 on July 2, 2012, at 19:57:01
In reply to who can we trust?, posted by johnLA on July 2, 2012, at 12:48:37
....and physicians' primary source of drug info COMES FROM THE DRUG COMPANIES!!!!!!
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 2, 2012, at 20:18:31
In reply to who can we trust?, posted by johnLA on July 2, 2012, at 12:48:37
> business as usual i guess;
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18673220
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> scares me what we are putting in to our bodies.
>
> i know this is a med site, but anybody out there doing better on less meds? i am off antidepressants for the first time in over 2 years. i still feel the same; like crap. but, no crazy dreams, dry mouth, and am wondering if the anti-psych people are right when i read stories like the above.
>
> i'm tired.
>
> john
>
> ps this is from the guy who is going for a ketamine infusion on 25 july. ironic, no?Friends,
If you are interested in this thread, I am requesting thatyou view the following video.
Lou
To view this video:
A. Pull up Google
B. Tpe in:
[youtube, Why antidepressants for treating depression, Dr Mark Hyman]
you will see a pic of Dr Hyman and a library behind him
The time is 8 min posted on March 2, 2008
Posted by Phil on July 2, 2012, at 20:55:09
In reply to Re: who can we trust?, posted by ron1953 on July 2, 2012, at 19:57:01
I wrote a deal on my blog last year about major drug companies that kept a database of major Universities cheer leading squads. They like to hire hot, vivacious types because, well it's obvious. So I said that your psych meds are being prescribed by a cheerleader. And they are.
The cheerleader has seven minutes to pitch Seroquel. The doctor goes to his next patient...I want to start you on Seroquel.
It's that fast. No way to run a circus.
Posted by Hugh on July 2, 2012, at 21:44:14
In reply to Re: who can we trust?, posted by Phil on July 2, 2012, at 20:55:09
I just found this article about cheerleaders being hired as pharmaceutical sales representatives. It's been going on for years. I had no idea.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/28/business/28cheer.html
Posted by SLS on July 2, 2012, at 22:11:15
In reply to who can we trust?, posted by johnLA on July 2, 2012, at 12:48:37
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18673220
That was a very stupid thing to do. GSK deserves to be sanctioned. Even if a drug is 100% safe and effective for off-label uses, it cannot be the position of an agent of a drug company to encourage doctors to prescribe the drug for an indication other than what it was approved for by the FDA. There is generally plenty of research data available in medical literature regarding off-label uses of drugs as they are discovered and studied. Lamictal was approved for use in epilepsy in 1994. However, it was previously noted in epilepsy studies that it had antidepressant properties, and became the focus of studies by the biological psychiatry department at the NIMH in 1992. It wasn't until 2003 that Lamictal was approved by the FDA for use in bipolar depression. By then, though, everyone had already been using it because the medical literature and clinical experience was so persuasive. Lamictal was found to work pretty well for treating bipolar depression by many study groups over a 10 year period. It is just that the pharmaceutical company representatives were not supposed to say so.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on July 2, 2012, at 22:13:17
In reply to Re: who can we trust? » Phil, posted by Hugh on July 2, 2012, at 21:44:14
> I just found this article about cheerleaders being hired as pharmaceutical sales representatives. It's been going on for years. I had no idea.
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/28/business/28cheer.html
Cheerleaders and G.Q. models. Do the chippendales still exist?
- Scott
Posted by huxley on July 3, 2012, at 2:36:43
In reply to Re: who can we trust?, posted by SLS on July 2, 2012, at 22:11:15
They deserve jail time.
They are criminals that ruin lives.
More money was probably made from this practice than they have to pay.
Posted by Hugh on July 3, 2012, at 12:06:59
In reply to Re: who can we trust? » Hugh, posted by SLS on July 2, 2012, at 22:13:17
> > I just found this article about cheerleaders being hired as pharmaceutical sales representatives. It's been going on for years. I had no idea.
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> > http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/28/business/28cheer.html
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> Cheerleaders and G.Q. models. Do the chippendales still exist?
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> - ScottMagic Mike, a movie about male strippers starring Matthew McConaughey, was just released a few days ago. If cheerleaders and "athletic and handsome" male pharmaceutical sales representatives pep up sales, I imagine Chippendales would be an ideal recruiting ground for the drug companies.
Posted by Dinah on July 3, 2012, at 17:20:41
In reply to Re: who can we trust? » SLS, posted by Hugh on July 3, 2012, at 12:06:59
FWIW. I heard a few drug reps at my internist's office complaining about the declining role of reps in the age of the internet, and worrying about the future. They still make a pretty good living and I'm not exactly weeping for them, but CareerBuilder.com seems to give some validation to their fears.
"Drug sales are projected to soar in emerging markets like China. But the picture is less rosy for America's pharmaceutical sales force, which has been shrinking due to tighter government regulations, increased use of the Internet by consumers and a growing unwillingness on the part of doctors to meet with them. ZS Associates, a marketing consulting firm, reported last year that just 58 percent of physicians agreed to meet with 70 percent of the salespeople who visited, down 18 percent from the year before.
This translates into a slightly underwhelming employment picture for pharmaceutical salespeople: The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics expects a 5.4 percent decline in employment between 2008 and 2018.
Last Updated: 17/04/2012 - 5:59 PM"
Perhaps we could see this as a move in the right direction?
I'm trying to picture a perky cheerleader type trying to sell something to my severe and humorless pdoc. I can see him raising a brow, or steepling his fingers together, and giving that appraising stare that chills me to my marrow, and makes anything I'd like to say to him wither unspoken on my lips.
Posted by poser938 on July 3, 2012, at 18:38:28
In reply to Re: who can we trust?, posted by Dinah on July 3, 2012, at 17:20:41
i think any drug company caught doing sh!t should have to close its doors and the people running the company be locked up.
Posted by Phillipa on July 3, 2012, at 19:37:02
In reply to Re: who can we trust?, posted by poser938 on July 3, 2012, at 18:38:28
I know a lady now married with a 7 year old child who is a former drug rep and yes she was a cheerleader. Her husband works for the drug companies no idea what is capacity is but they are very well off. She now has her own photography busines and is doing exceptionally well. She sold evista. Phillipa
Posted by huxley on July 5, 2012, at 5:41:37
In reply to Re: who can we trust?, posted by Dinah on July 3, 2012, at 17:20:41
> FWIW. I heard a few drug reps at my internist's office complaining about the declining role of reps in the age of the internet, and worrying about the future. They still make a pretty good living and I'm not exactly weeping for them, but CareerBuilder.com seems to give some validation to their fears.
>
> "Drug sales are projected to soar in emerging markets like China. But the picture is less rosy for America's pharmaceutical sales force, which has been shrinking due to tighter government regulations, increased use of the Internet by consumers and a growing unwillingness on the part of doctors to meet with them. ZS Associates, a marketing consulting firm, reported last year that just 58 percent of physicians agreed to meet with 70 percent of the salespeople who visited, down 18 percent from the year before.
>
> This translates into a slightly underwhelming employment picture for pharmaceutical salespeople: The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics expects a 5.4 percent decline in employment between 2008 and 2018.
>
> Last Updated: 17/04/2012 - 5:59 PM"
>
> Perhaps we could see this as a move in the right direction?
>
> I'm trying to picture a perky cheerleader type trying to sell something to my severe and humorless pdoc. I can see him raising a brow, or steepling his fingers together, and giving that appraising stare that chills me to my marrow, and makes anything I'd like to say to him wither unspoken on my lips.best news i have heard in a while.
Although the crimes will now no doubt be repeated in other companies.
Posted by zazenducke on July 5, 2012, at 8:54:53
In reply to who can we trust?, posted by johnLA on July 2, 2012, at 12:48:37
Not Dr Drew apparently.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303933404577505032006855076.html
The advocacy groups like NAMI and CHADD are also often funded by funded by pharma. Even when they are not promoting a specific brand they push the pharma agenda forward while maintaining an aura of independence.
Posted by Dinah on July 5, 2012, at 12:44:28
In reply to Re: who can we trust?, posted by zazenducke on July 5, 2012, at 8:54:53
Well, that's disappointing. I already had issues with Dr. Drew after reading his book.
Ah well. He's still extremely nice to look at. Maybe that's the best to hope for from a mental health entertainment professional.
Posted by bleauberry on July 6, 2012, at 18:00:40
In reply to who can we trust?, posted by johnLA on July 2, 2012, at 12:48:37
Glaxo is taking all the heat because they seemed rather careless about it and got caught, but I don't think they are alone.
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