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Posted by HappyGirl on June 13, 2012, at 10:49:25
Hi:
My insurance changed from OLANZAPINE 5 mg.' manufactured by 'PRASCO' to other manufacture which is strangely 'Elily Company' when I looked at 'Drug Com.'The problem is this Generic OLANZAPINE 5 mg. seems NOT as same as other generic exact same med., OLANZAPINE 5 mg. made by PRASCO as I have irritable and feeling 'angry,' particulaly during nite when the med. efficacy wearing out, since I started taking it. With previous OLANZAPINE 5 mg. made by PRASCO, I had no issues at all as if it's a brand one, Zyprexa 5 mg made by Eli Lilly.
The problematic OLANZAPINE is '7653' with nothing on its back. Only this numeratic description on the front of the med.
Your imputs and advices to this would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Posted by Phillipa on June 13, 2012, at 11:07:16
In reply to Olanzapine '7653', posted by HappyGirl on June 13, 2012, at 10:49:25
If poster Zyprexa sees this he's taken it for years. I think he likes both generic and brand can't speak for him though. Phillipa
Posted by b2chica on June 13, 2012, at 11:34:22
In reply to Olanzapine '7653', posted by HappyGirl on June 13, 2012, at 10:49:25
it sounds very plausible to me. if you can tolerate a month of it, for next refill ask specifically for the generic that worked for you.
i'll have to check on the generic i got last time. but zyprexa has always been my 'go to' med and the last time it didnt seem to work. i had just switched to generic.
i'll see what i have and post tomorrow.otherwise you can always ask pdoc to write out new rx stating no generic if you wish.
ps i know Zyprexa (the poster) noticed some differences with generic as well. but i think he tolerates it ok? cant remember.
best wishes
b2c.
Posted by HappyGirl on June 13, 2012, at 11:56:35
In reply to Olanzapine '7653', posted by HappyGirl on June 13, 2012, at 10:49:25
Thanks for the responses.
I remember one of posters named "Zyprexa.' I, too am very curious to see whethr he has any opinion to this, .... Olanzapine imprinted 7653 on its top without any on its back. Furthermore, the med. manufactured by Eli Lilly is very interesting. However, for me, there is NO fun between the brand, Zyprexa and Olanzapine, seeing the latter does not seem as the same efficacy as the generic. The brand one is certainly one of the best meds. in the world the Eli Lilly researched and made helping million mental sufferrs.
btw) the site is as follow:
http://www.drugs.com/imprints/7653-18213.html
Posted by Emme_v2 on June 13, 2012, at 12:59:50
In reply to Olanzapine '7653', posted by HappyGirl on June 13, 2012, at 10:49:25
> Hi:
> My insurance changed from OLANZAPINE 5 mg.' manufactured by 'PRASCO' to other manufacture which is strangely 'Elily Company' when I looked at 'Drug Com.'
>
> The problem is this Generic OLANZAPINE 5 mg. seems NOT as same as other generic exact same med., OLANZAPINE 5 mg. made by PRASCO as I have irritable and feeling 'angry,' particulaly during nite when the med. efficacy wearing out, since I started taking it. With previous OLANZAPINE 5 mg. made by PRASCO, I had no issues at all as if it's a brand one, Zyprexa 5 mg made by Eli Lilly.
>
> The problematic OLANZAPINE is '7653' with nothing on its back. Only this numeratic description on the front of the med.
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> Your imputs and advices to this would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
If the generic you have is not working out for you, contact the pharmacy and tell them you cannot tolerate it and need the other generic. They will have a record of what you had in the past and should be able to get it for you. They will mostly likely have you return the current bottle and swap it for you. You should not have to wait for your next refill. I have run into this problem with not being able to tolerate a new generic lamotrigine. The situation was remedied immediately and I was given the generic I was used to.
Posted by b2chica on June 13, 2012, at 14:29:35
In reply to Re: Olanzapine '7653' » HappyGirl, posted by Emme_v2 on June 13, 2012, at 12:59:50
Emme thats good news, i didnt know that.
i tried it with generic ritalin before and they wouldnt let me do it. i had such a bad reaction to this second generic that my doc just switched me to adderall cz i couldnt wait it out.
maybe because it was a controlled substance?thanks
Posted by SLS on June 13, 2012, at 15:58:37
In reply to Re: Olanzapine '7653' » Emme_v2, posted by b2chica on June 13, 2012, at 14:29:35
> Emme thats good news, i didnt know that.
> i tried it with generic ritalin before and they wouldnt let me do it.Was this pharmacy part of a national chain? If so, which one?
- Scott
Posted by b2chica on June 13, 2012, at 16:50:38
In reply to Re: Olanzapine '7653' » b2chica, posted by SLS on June 13, 2012, at 15:58:37
the ritalin was through walgreens, and the bupronin episode was through target pharmacy.
Posted by Emme_v2 on June 13, 2012, at 18:06:48
In reply to Re: Olanzapine '7653' » Emme_v2, posted by b2chica on June 13, 2012, at 14:29:35
> Emme thats good news, i didnt know that.
> i tried it with generic ritalin before and they wouldnt let me do it. i had such a bad reaction to this second generic that my doc just switched me to adderall cz i couldnt wait it out.
> maybe because it was a controlled substance?
>
> thanksThat's a pain. It wouldn't surprise me if it were a lot harder with controlled substances. I've come to think that pharmacies ought to ask permission before changing you to generic, or to a different generic if you're already on one. They should give you a week or two of your script to try it out and make sure it works for you. Not that pharmacies care what I think. :)
Posted by Zyprexa on June 14, 2012, at 0:27:22
In reply to Olanzapine '7653', posted by HappyGirl on June 13, 2012, at 10:49:25
I have not tried that particular generic of zyprexa yet. I've only taken the teva, and Aurabindo ones. They seem mostly like the brand, just slight differences. But you know what I found out is that Costco pharmacy has 90 olanzapine 10mg pills for $45!!!. So go there if you can. Thats the total price, not co pay!!
If you were having luck with that one type of zyprexa you should get your doc to write for that one only. I wouldn't try any others. You just say manufacturer and genric name and sign "dispence as writen"
Posted by HappyGirl on June 14, 2012, at 11:19:08
In reply to Re: Olanzapine '7653', posted by Zyprexa on June 14, 2012, at 0:27:22
First, I'm very curious to read your response,
When I was on Prasco, there is no difference from the brand, Zyprexa, but after change to the current one, I feel somehow differencial between Prasco and Eli Lilly & co. I think that my insurance preferred to the latter one because of the reputable drug co., but I also can choose which one.I may stick to the current Olanzapine with an increase of Lithium to compensate for the loss of Olanzapine efficacy during the nite. Plus, only time I feel irritatalbe and angry is two or one hour before the bed-time. For that, I started going to the bed earlier than before that does not resolve the issue entirely, but I try to be flexible for it to alleviate.
Emma, I always get the meds. from local reputable chain pharmacy. They do not accept 'return' nor 'exchange,' once the med. brought to the home. Only time I can 'exchange' or 'return' the med. is right in front of the pharmacy-clerk before paying 'co-pay.' Luckily, I just got only a month's worth med. for precaution. The next time, I definitely ask my previous generic co., Prasco.
As to '$45.00 Cosco Pharmacy' is at least not for me, since I have the Insurance and plus I can NOT believe an efficacy of that form of med. which seems more likely 'imported med' or similar to old med. 'Haldol' from one of South-Asian countries. I read about that years ago when I had a very limited drug-coverage with my insurandce and struggled to purchased the expensive med., Zyprexa.
I'm always stick to the meds. which all approved by FDA, since the meds. are as important for me as the foods/meals. I believe you are the same on this respect.
Posted by bleauberry on June 14, 2012, at 15:00:13
In reply to Olanzapine '7653', posted by HappyGirl on June 13, 2012, at 10:49:25
Well I'm sorry but I guess we can add you to the list of babblers who have reported similar generic experiences over the last few years. I've noted dramatic differences myself in many, but not all, experiences with generics. Generic A is not the same as Generic B and I don't care how hard some pinhead scinetific white coat geek tries to convince me otherwise.
There has been some research on this but not much. The ways they did the testing were flawed and not very helpful in either supporting the case or refuting it.
Mere casual observation tells me this is a real problem that has been spontaneously noticed by many even when they had no prior warning or awareness.
I'm not a molecular scientist so I couldn't tell you why two supposedly identical substances made from different sources could behave differently in the human body. But they do. I do know from some experience with custom dose making and LDN that different fillers do make a big difference. You can actually change the absorption rate and process with the wrong filler ingredient. The results of that could vary as far the human imagination can go. The word "neutral" when referring to fillers has not been thoroughly examined I don't think.
With LDN rapid absorption is needed. The wrong filler will slow down the absorption just enough to destroy the entire premise of taking LDN in the first place. I don't think it is a stretch to envision other adverse events happening because of a wrong filler choice.
My Lyme doc insisted on brand. He would later try to switch to generic but usually they had to go back to brand. He had too many failures starting with generics. He said some generics are better than others and that when one works, stay with that exact one. He said one of the pain meds is actually better as a generic than brand.. So it can go both ways. I've always felt that if someone starts a new med, it happens to be generic, and they do not have a good trial with that med, that unless they try the brand version before abandoning that med altogether they really haven't even tried that med at all. It can be that much of a difference.
I'm sure debates and hypothesis will fly for years to come on this topic. But for now what matters is that you get back on the med that worked good for you. You will probably have to do some searching on the phone and on the web to find out who near you can get that particular generic you like or already has it in stock. Your pharmacy maybe changed who they buy the generic from, but some other pharmacy still has it or can get it. Actually I think most pharmacies can special order the one of your choice if they don't regularly carry it, because I did that with Nortriptyline....one generic was better than another and was better than brand....actually that one generic was the only one that felt any good at all and the other two felt more like crap.
Posted by Zyprexa on June 14, 2012, at 22:44:56
In reply to Re: Olanzapine '7653' » Zyprexa, posted by HappyGirl on June 14, 2012, at 11:19:08
Belive it or not the costco olanzapine is the same one I got from medco the first time. It was Teva, which I find works well. But I think you might be right that the generic may wear off a little quicker. But I take a 15mg zyprexa twice a week, with 10mg the other days and that seems to work fine. But even while I was still on zyprexa for the last few years I was taking 15mg. Lately though I'm finding less of a need to take the 15mg doses. Also I find it better to take zyprexa a little early which lessens my feeling of unrest and it puts me to sleep in a few hours. So I'm going to try the costco olanzapine and see if it works. All I have to lose is $45, no insurance. I have medicare so if I get it through insurance from medco, I end up paying the full $500 when in med gap, which is half the year.
Posted by Zyprexa on June 14, 2012, at 22:57:08
In reply to Re: Olanzapine '7653', posted by bleauberry on June 14, 2012, at 15:00:13
I guess its like vodka, they all have the same amount of alcohol in them, but taste differently and may have different effect than the other brand. I think it has some thing to do with which ingredients they use to make the same product, alcohol. Or pharmacuticals. What I'm saying is the pill companies know the chemical they need, but not the exact ingredients, might be a hevely guarded secret.
It is true! You can get any manufacturer's generic through any pharmacy. You just ask for it, some pharmacies stock many different ones. Others will order it for you if they don't have it in stock. The best thing to do is get your doc to write the script for that particular generic, some pharmacys require that.
Posted by bleauberry on June 15, 2012, at 7:52:08
In reply to Re: Olanzapine '7653' » HappyGirl, posted by Zyprexa on June 14, 2012, at 22:44:56
> Also I find it better to take zyprexa a little early which lessens my feeling of unrest and it puts me to sleep in a few hours.
That's interesting you said that because that's what I discovered too. I was on zyprexa for I think about 8 years, 5mg. The first years were fine, no probs at all. But the later years things got a little different, and I found that moving my dosing time from 7pm to 4pm helped a ton. I couldn't believe how much a difference just a few hours of dosing difference made.
Posted by HappyGirl on June 15, 2012, at 11:49:20
In reply to Re: Olanzapine '7653' » HappyGirl, posted by Zyprexa on June 14, 2012, at 22:44:56
> .... to take zyprexa a little early which lessens my feeling of unrest and it puts me to sleep in a few hours. So I'm going to try the costco olanzapine and see if it works. All I have to lose is $45, no insurance. I have medicare so if I get it through insurance from medco, I end up paying the full $500 when in med gap, which is half the year....... "
When I went to local Bipolar meeting, most of BP folks told me '5 mg.' is little effect to BP II with rapid cycler. Take 10 mg. is appropriate, however I've been sticking '5 mg.' in my fear I may develope Type II Diabetes which my father in his '60 has and end up like his. In his case, due to milder form along with a good-luck, his condition stays as the same as he was dx'ed five years ago.
As to Cosco $45 is VERY interesting. In my guess, some of M.I. folks struggle to find an affordable med. if no insruance to pay. You could post your up-to-date after taking Cosco Olanzapine 10 mg. because reading your experience certainly benefit otheres on this board, although I do not stop by on this site often due to work and my hobby during the weekends that I sometime sell over the eBay.
Posted by HappyGirl on June 15, 2012, at 23:05:44
In reply to Re: Olanzapine '7653', posted by bleauberry on June 14, 2012, at 15:00:13
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> Your pharmacy maybe changed who they buy the generic from, but some other pharmacy still has it or can get it. Actually I think most pharmacies can special order the one of your choice if they don't regularly carry it, because I did that with Nortriptyline....one generic was better than another and was better than brand....actually that one generic was the only one that felt any good at all and the other two felt more like crap."Surprisingly, Olanzapine made by PRASO, I needed to wait ten to two weeks for its arrival. That was a good reason the pharmacist or my insurance changed to other, generic "7653.' Now, after ten days or more, I feel accustomed to this, new generic Olanzapine 7653 or simply, my brain telling me it's time to get used to it. Either way, today I feel much better as if I've been taking Prasco Olanzapine.
Sounds like you have a scientific and chemistry background about many type of generic meds.
also, long ago,.... about five to seven years ago, one of posters whose first name is 'Larry,' I used to read his good explanation regarding med. chemistry or similar phrase,if my recollection is correct. I do not see him on this board recently. What happend to him?
Posted by Zyprexa on June 16, 2012, at 1:05:23
In reply to Re: Olanzapine '7653', posted by bleauberry on June 15, 2012, at 7:52:08
Yes taking zyprexa a little erlier helps keep me from self medicating as much with alcohol also. Have you tried generic zyprexa yet? I realy don't see much of a difference. I've taken zyprexa for 14 years now, at a dose average of 10mg.
Posted by Zyprexa on June 16, 2012, at 1:08:28
In reply to Re: Olanzapine '7653' » Zyprexa, posted by HappyGirl on June 15, 2012, at 11:49:20
I will post about costco, but it won't be for a while since I have just ordered more. But I don't think it will be any different, since its from the same manufacturer.
Posted by Phillipa on June 16, 2012, at 19:36:56
In reply to Re: Olanzapine '7653' » bleauberry, posted by HappyGirl on June 15, 2012, at 23:05:44
Larry Hoover posting name. I believe he's off working all over the country. Sometimes he does stop in. Doing well also. Phillipa
Posted by bleauberry on June 18, 2012, at 6:18:13
In reply to Re: Olanzapine '7653' » bleauberry, posted by HappyGirl on June 15, 2012, at 23:05:44
> Sounds like you have a scientific and chemistry background about many type of generic meds.
No, not really. Just a regular person with a lot of experience, unfortunately.
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> also, long ago,.... about five to seven years ago, one of posters whose first name is 'Larry,' I used to read his good explanation regarding med. chemistry or similar phrase,if my recollection is correct. I do not see him on this board recently. What happend to him?
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>I haven't seen Larry in many months. I wonder what happened to him? I loved reading his posts because they were extremely scientific and very interesting. He was more of a science guy, I am more of a real-ville guy. With politics and economics mudding up the waters, science is not always as real as it used to be. imo
Posted by bleauberry on June 18, 2012, at 6:22:37
In reply to Re: Olanzapine '7653' » bleauberry, posted by Zyprexa on June 16, 2012, at 1:05:23
> Yes taking zyprexa a little erlier helps keep me from self medicating as much with alcohol also. Have you tried generic zyprexa yet? I realy don't see much of a difference. I've taken zyprexa for 14 years now, at a dose average of 10mg.
So I am not the only one that discovered taking it earlier was helpful? Interesting.
I was on brand zyprexa for about 8 years at 5mg. Honestly it was probably the best med I ever had out of the entire field of psyychiatry. Until things went wrong (didn't know lyme was in the picture at that time). Not even zyprexa is strong enough to cover up a real problem. Anyway, that was before generic was available so I have never tried generic. I have been off of zyprexa for I think 3 or 4 years now. But anytime I happen to have the opinion someone might want to consider an antipsychotic, zyprexa is always my first choice and stands tall above all the others.
Posted by Zyprexa on June 21, 2012, at 15:56:37
In reply to Re: Olanzapine '7653', posted by bleauberry on June 18, 2012, at 6:22:37
why would lymes dissease affect zyprexa? You should try the generic, it seems as effective as brand, only it does not seem to have the weight gain like brand.
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