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Posted by crazyjoe on April 26, 2012, at 10:46:52
recently switched from 2mg of klonopin back to 2mg of ativan.....after about 2 days i get very nervous again....could it be klonopin withdrawel kicking in.....i also take tegretol which supposedly reduces klonopin somwhat so i don't get it...or am i reading to much in to it?
Posted by Phillipa on April 26, 2012, at 10:54:51
In reply to klonopin/ativan, posted by crazyjoe on April 26, 2012, at 10:46:52
I used to be able to just switch back and forth now that have read too much I'm terrified to change a thing. Could this be your problem also? Phillipa
Posted by crazyjoe on April 26, 2012, at 11:21:36
In reply to Re: klonopin/ativan » crazyjoe, posted by Phillipa on April 26, 2012, at 10:54:51
do you mean reading to much phillipa?
Posted by ron1953 on April 26, 2012, at 11:51:51
In reply to Re: klonopin/ativan, posted by crazyjoe on April 26, 2012, at 11:21:36
Joe:
For some very high-quality info, look here:
Posted by Phil on April 26, 2012, at 12:22:58
In reply to Re: klonopin/ativan, posted by ron1953 on April 26, 2012, at 11:51:51
Not worried about withdrawal of 1.5mg Clonazepam because I have no plans of getting off of it. It's a great med for me.
Posted by gadchik on April 26, 2012, at 12:32:13
In reply to Re: klonopin/ativan, posted by Phil on April 26, 2012, at 12:22:58
Phil,tell me more about your klonopin experience? Brand or generic,how many yrs,any tolerance,starting dose,side effects,what are you treating?
Posted by Phil on April 26, 2012, at 12:40:23
In reply to Re: klonopin/ativan » Phil, posted by gadchik on April 26, 2012, at 12:32:13
> Phil,tell me more about your klonopin experience? Brand or generic,how many yrs,any tolerance,starting dose,side effects,what are you treating?
Generic. Ten years? Don't recall. I used to be on 3mg but cut back to 1.5 with no problem. Don't remember starting dose and don't have any side effects. Treating anxiety.
I don't even think about this med, it's probably part of my DNA by now.
I know it's hard to get off of but if you're patient you can get off of anything. Although cigarettes would be a nightmare.
Posted by ron1953 on April 26, 2012, at 13:01:24
In reply to Re: klonopin/ativan » gadchik, posted by Phil on April 26, 2012, at 12:40:23
One of the VERY surprising things I learned about benzo withdrawal is that withdrawal symptoms don't just occur from discontinuation; they occur BETWEEN DOSES. That was a big lightbulb moment for me, realizing that what I thought was just "my anxiety" resurfacing, was really withdrawal symptoms.
Benzo dependence is an awful conundrum.
Posted by gadchik on April 26, 2012, at 13:01:58
In reply to Re: klonopin/ativan » gadchik, posted by Phil on April 26, 2012, at 12:40:23
thanks,phil.I use brand .5mg at night for anxiety,had panic too.This solves all my issues,even depression(anxiety based).However,Im coming up on year 5 and I pressure myself to taper off.I feel horrendous when I try to taper.I feel stuck,but cant deny that it is a miracle drug for me.I would like to go to generic,what do you recommend?
Posted by gadchik on April 26, 2012, at 13:07:38
In reply to Re: klonopin/ativan, posted by ron1953 on April 26, 2012, at 13:01:24
ron,how did you get off the benzo?
Posted by ron1953 on April 26, 2012, at 13:12:59
In reply to Re: klonopin/ativan » ron1953, posted by gadchik on April 26, 2012, at 13:07:38
> ron,how did you get off the benzo?
See this post: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20120425/msgs/1016475.html
Posted by Phil on April 26, 2012, at 13:14:46
In reply to Re: klonopin/ativan, posted by gadchik on April 26, 2012, at 13:01:58
Well, I was taking yellow ones and recently they switched to a lovely pink. I don't remember ever being on brand but I may have been briefly.
My med combo's have changed many times over the years but K is always in the mix.
My aunt was on Valium for ten years. Don't know her dosing regimen but she didn't have withdrawal. When she was in her 70's we were talking and she said, wouldn't mind having that again. I cracked up.
I tell my pdoc's that if I ever ask for Valium say no. I used to love that stuff pre-diagnosis. My perfect combo way back was 10mg's, a joint, and two beers. Anxiety be gone. I could talk to anybody, go to big parties and eat all of the cavier, and be good to go for hours. :)
Posted by gadchik on April 26, 2012, at 13:38:02
In reply to Re: klonopin/ativan » gadchik, posted by Phil on April 26, 2012, at 13:14:46
I miss those days,going to parties,talking all night to everyone,dancing,and I loved alcohol.No more drinking though.I never tried a benzo until age 44!If I was in my 70s,I would like to have a valium once in a blue moon,so soothing.I hate anxiety.
Posted by Phil on April 26, 2012, at 13:58:55
In reply to Re: klonopin/ativan » Phil, posted by gadchik on April 26, 2012, at 13:38:02
I gave up drinking when I started meds 30 years ago. Maybe twice a year I'll have a beer. LOL
Alcohol is a depression machine.
Posted by Alexei on April 26, 2012, at 14:40:30
In reply to klonopin/ativan, posted by crazyjoe on April 26, 2012, at 10:46:52
> recently switched from 2mg of klonopin back to 2mg of ativan.....after about 2 days i get very nervous again....could it be klonopin withdrawel kicking in.....i also take tegretol which supposedly reduces klonopin somwhat so i don't get it...or am i reading to much in to it?
Hi crazyjoe. Klonopin is 4 times stronger than Ativan ...0.25mg Klonopin = 1.0mg Ativan ... so 2mg klonopin switched to 2mg Ativan is not an even swap. You would need 8mg Ativan to equal 2mg klonopin.
And ativan's much shorter half life creates an even bigger problem.
Here is a good chart...
http://www.dr-bob.org/tips/bzd.html
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Posted by crazyjoe on April 26, 2012, at 16:22:17
In reply to Re: klonopin/ativan » crazyjoe, posted by Alexei on April 26, 2012, at 14:40:30
thank you...then why the hell would my dr not know this....seems like a good dr. i've been with him for 5 years
Posted by Phillipa on April 26, 2012, at 20:58:59
In reply to Re: klonopin/ativan, posted by crazyjoe on April 26, 2012, at 16:22:17
Hey I haven't receive a one of the notifications from this thread going on 36 years of benzo use for me. Haven't increased doses actually have cut down. As Phil said It's also part of my DNA and my brain needs it. Even my new pdoc addictions sprecialist has no problem with me taking what I take. Phillipa
Posted by zerozone on April 27, 2012, at 3:52:57
In reply to Re: klonopin/ativan » crazyjoe, posted by Phillipa on April 26, 2012, at 20:58:59
I always thought 1mg ativan to 10mg valium , 2mg ativan to 1 mg xanax,when i was detoxed 12mg off ativan a day, i wasnt given ativan i was given 2x 40mg doses of valium a day. Which did nothing,an i ended up on the mental ward.
Posted by crazyjoe on April 27, 2012, at 8:43:19
In reply to Re: klonopin/ativan, posted by zerozone on April 27, 2012, at 3:52:57
my question is does my dr know what he's doing
Posted by Alexei on April 27, 2012, at 8:54:21
In reply to Re: klonopin/ativan, posted by crazyjoe on April 27, 2012, at 8:43:19
> my question is does my dr know what he's doing
You've been with him 5 years? Do you think you are on the right track? Would he switch you back to klonopin if you asked?I wish dr.'s would spend much more time studying and see fewer patients. Would be better for everyone.
No way that will happen, though.
Posted by crazyjoe on April 27, 2012, at 9:10:49
In reply to Re: klonopin/ativan » crazyjoe, posted by Alexei on April 27, 2012, at 8:54:21
i'm starting ---to wonder....he asks few questions listens but sometimes seems to hurry me ...and i'm starting to not like that....
Posted by Alexei on April 27, 2012, at 11:43:34
In reply to Re: klonopin/ativan, posted by crazyjoe on April 27, 2012, at 9:10:49
> i'm starting ---to wonder....he asks few questions listens but sometimes seems to hurry me ...and i'm starting to not like that....
You were going to start vibryd, right?
Posted by crazyjoe on April 27, 2012, at 16:54:17
In reply to Re: klonopin/ativan » crazyjoe, posted by Alexei on April 27, 2012, at 11:43:34
yes i still am but i am starting to think he is not being aggressive enough treating my ocd/bipolar....i know i am limited because of diabetes ...but he seems like we are just playing the same dose adjusting games with thte same meds
Posted by Alexei on April 30, 2012, at 8:33:56
In reply to Re: klonopin/ativan, posted by crazyjoe on April 27, 2012, at 16:54:17
> yes i still am but i am starting to think he is not being aggressive enough treating my ocd/bipolar....i know i am limited because of diabetes ...but he seems like we are just playing the same dose adjusting games with thte same meds
Joe, how have you been feeling? Ativan working out?
Posted by crazyjoe on May 6, 2012, at 21:29:02
In reply to Re: klonopin/ativan » crazyjoe, posted by Alexei on April 30, 2012, at 8:33:56
i think i did better on klonopin during the day a little less anxious....but ativan does help me sleep better
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